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#80251 - 02/27/04 02:47 PM Hydrocodone and Acetaminophen ****
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Common Trademarks:
Anexsia®, Hycodan®, Hycomine®, Lorcet®, Lortab®, Tussionex®, Tylox®, Vicodin®, and Vicoprofen®.

Hydrocodone Photos

Background Information:
Hydrocodone is an orally active analgesic and antitussive Schedule II narcotic that is marketed in multi-ingredient Schedule III products. Hydrocodone has an analgesic potency similar to or greater than that of oral morphine.

Common Dosages:
In its most usual product forms hydrocodone is combined with acetaminophen (Vicodin, Lortab), but it is also combined with aspirin (Lortab ASA), ibuprofen (Vicoprofen), and antihistamines (Hycomine). Both tablet and liquid forms of hydrocodone are available (e.g., Tussionex)

Three dosage forms are typically found (5, 7.5, and 10 mg)

Hydrocodone 10/325
Hydrocodone 10/500
Hydrocodone 10/650
Hydrocodone 7.5/750
The 10 in the "10/325" is the 10 mg of hydrocodone and the 325 is 325 mg of acetaminophen.

Side Effects:
Hydrocodone side effects include but are not limited to:

anxiety
constipation
decreased mental & physical performance
difficulty breathing
difficulty urination
dizziness
drowsiness
dry throat
emotional dependence
exaggerated feeling of depression
extreme calm (sedation)
exaggerated sense of well-being
fear
itching
mental clouding
mood changes
nausea & vomiting rash
restlessness
sluggishness
tightness in chest
Drug Abuse and Dependance:

Hydrocodone bitartrate and acetaminophen tablets are subject to the Federal Controlled Substance Act (Schedule III).

Psychic dependence, physical dependence, and tolerance may develop upon repeated administration of narcotics; therefore, hydrocodone bitartrate and acetaminophen tablets should be prescribed and administered with caution. However, psychic dependence is unlikely to develop when hydrocodone bitartrate and acetaminophen tablets are used for a short time for the treatment of pain.

Physical dependence, the condition in which continued administration of the drug is required to prevent the appearance of a withdrawal syndrome, assumes clinically significant proportions only after several weeks of continued narcotic use, although some mild degree of physical dependence may develop after a few days of narcotic therapy. Tolerance, in which increasingly large doses are required in order to produce the same degree of analgesia, is manifested initially by a shortened duration of analgesic effect and subsequently by decreases in the intensity of analgesia. The rate of development of tolerance varies among patients.


Drug Interactions:

Patients receiving other narcotic analgesics, antipsychotics, antianxiety agents, or other CNS depressants (including alcohol) concomitantly with hydrocodone and acetaminophen tablets may exhibit an additive CNS depression. When combined therapy is contemplated, the dose of one or both agents should be reduced.

The use of MAO inhibitors or tricyclic antidepressants with hydrocodone preparations may increase the effect of either the antidepressant or hydrocodone.

The concurrent use of anticholinergics with hydrocodone may produce paralytic ileus.




Acetaminophen with hydrocodone is used for the relief of moderate to severe pain. Inform your physican if you are pregnant or nursing. This medication may cause dizziness, drowsiness, or blurred vision; use caution while driving or operating hazardous machinery. Do not take any other sedating drugs or drink alcohol while taking acetaminophen with hydrocodone. This medication may be habit forming. Withdrawal symptoms may occur after you stop taking acetaminophen with hydrocodone. Inform your physician if shortness of breath or breathing difficulty occur. May cause nausea, vomiting or constipation; Notify your physician if these occur. May be taken with food if GI upset occurs.

Note: As of 12/2002 the following strength combinations are manufactured by Watson Pharmaceuticals, Inc. :

HYDROCODONE/APAP TABS 10/325 CIII 100s
NDC: 00591-0853-01

HYDROCODONE/APAP TABS 10/500 CIII 100s
(Compare to Lortab ®*)
*Lortab ® is a registered trademark of Whitby
NDC: 00591-0540-01

HYDROCODONE/APAP TABS 10/650 CIII 100s
(Compare to Lorcet 10/650 ®*)
*Lorcet 10/650 ® is a registered trademark of Forest Pharmaceuticals
NDC: 00591-0503-01

HYDROCODONE/APAP TABS 2.5/500 CIII 100s
(Compare to Lortab ®*)
*Lortab ® is a registered trademark of Whitby
NDC: 00591-0388-01

HYDROCODONE/APAP TABS 5/500 CIII 100s
(Compare to Vicodin ®*)
*Vicodin ® is a registered trademark of Knoll Pharmaceutical
NDC: 00591-0349-01

HYDROCODONE/APAP TABS 5/500 CIII 500s
(Compare to Vicodin ®*)
*Vicodin ® is a registered trademark of Knoll Pharmaceutical
NDC: 00591-0349-05

HYDROCODONE/APAP TABS 7.5/500 CIII 100s
(Compare to Lortab ®*)
*Lortab ® is a registered trademark of Whitby
NDC: 00591-0385-01

HYDROCODONE/APAP TABS 7.5/500 CIII 500s
(Compare to Lortab ®*)
*Lortab ® is a registered trademark of Whitby
NDC: 00591-0385-05

HYDROCODONE/APAP TABS 7.5/650 CIII 100s
(Compare to Lorcet Plus ®*)
*Lorcet Plus ® is a registered trademark of Forest Pharmaceuticals
NDC: 00591-0502-01

HYDROCODONE/APAP TABS 7.5/750 CIII 100s
(Compare to Vicodin ES ®*)
*Vicodin ES ® is a registered trademark of Knoll Pharmaceutical
NDC: 00591-0387-01

HYDROCODONE/APAP TABS 7.5/750 CIII 500s
(Compare to Vicodin ES ®*)
*Vicodin ES ® is a registered trademark of Knoll Pharmaceutical
NDC: 00591-0387-05

MAXIDONE™ CIII 10MG/750MG 100s
(Hydrocodone Bitartrate and Acetaminophen 10mg/750mg Tablets)
NDC: 52544-0634-01

NORCO® 5MG/325MG CIII 100s UD
(Hydrocodone Bitartrate and Acetaminophen Tablets)
NDC: 52544-0913-48

NORCO® 10MG/325MG CIII 100s
(Hydrocodone Bitartrate and Acetaminophen Tablets)
NDC: 52544-0539-01

NORCO® 10MG/325MG CIII 500s
(Hydrocodone Bitartrate and Acetaminophen Tablets)
NDC: 52544-0539-05

NORCO® 5MG/325MG CIII 100s
(Hydrocodone Bitartrate and Acetaminophen Tablets)
NDC: 52544-0913-01

NORCO® 7.5MG/325MG CIII 100s
(Hydrocodone Bitartrate and Acetaminophen Tablets)
NDC: 52544-0729-01
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#80252 - 05/15/04 09:29 AM Hydrocodone - Dihydrocodeine - Vicodin - Lortab
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Drugs and Chemicals of Concern

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Hydrocodone, Dihydrocodeinone
(Vicodin, Lortab)
Introduction

Hydrocodone abuse has been escalating over the last decade. There has been large scale diversion of hydrocodone. For example, an estimated 7 million dosage units were diverted in 1994 and over 11 million in 1997. In 1998 there were over 56 million new prescriptions written for hydrocodone products and by 2000 there were over 89 million. From 1990 the average consumption nationwide has increased by 300%. In the same period there has been a 500% increase in the number of Emergency Department visits attributed to hydrocodone abuse with 19,221 visits estimated in 2000. In 1997, there were over 1.3 million hydrocodone tablets seized and analyzed by the DEA laboratory system. A recent petition submitted to the DEA has requested a review of the control status of all hydrocodone-containing products.

Licit Uses

Hydrocodone is an effective antitussive (anti-cough) agent, and as an opiate it is also an effective analgesic for mild to moderate pain control. Five mg of hydrocodone is equivalent to 30 mg of codeine when administered orally. Early comparisons concluded that hydrocodone and morphine were equipotent for pain control in humans. However, it is now considered that a dose of 15 mg (1/4 gr) of hydrocodone is equivalent to 10 mg (1/6 gr) of morphine. Hydrocodone is considered to be morphine-like in all respects.

Chemistry/Pharmacology

Hydrocodone [4,5a-epoxy-3-methoxy-17-methylmorphinan-6-one tartrate (1:1) hydrate (2:5), dihydrocodeinone] is a semisynthetic opioid structurally related to codeine and is approximately equipotent to morphine in producing opiate-like effects. The first report that hydrocodone produced a "striking euphoria" and habituation symptoms was published in 1923; the first report of hydrocodone dependency in the U.S. was published in 1961. It was removed from exempt status in the U.S. by the Narcotics Manufacturing Act of 1960.

There are over 200 products containing hydrocodone in the U.S. In its most usual product forms hydrocodone is combined with acetaminophen (Vicodin, Lortab), but it is also combined with aspirin (Lortab ASA), ibuprofen (Vicoprofen), and antihistamines (Hycomine). Both tablet and liquid forms of hydrocodone are available (e.g., Tussionex)

Hydrocodone will react as a normal opiate in the available field test kits.

Illicit Uses

Hydrocodone is abused for its opiate-like effects. It is equipotent to morphine in relieving abstinence symptoms from chronic morphine administration. The Schedule III status of hydrocodone-containing products has made them available to widespread diversion by "bogus call-in prescriptions" and thefts. Three dosage forms are typically found (5, 7.5, and 10 mg) and their behavioral effects can last up to 5 hours. The drug is most often administered orally. The growing awareness and concern about AIDS and blood-borne pathogens easily transmitted by syringe needle use, has made the oral bioavailability of hydrocodone attractive to the typical opiate abuser.

As with most opiates, the adverse effects of hydrocodone abuse are dependence and tolerance development. Its co-formulation with acetaminophen has also increased the likelihood of acetaminophen-induced hepatic necrosis with high dose acute dosing, but slow escalation of dose over time seems to protect the liver during high dose chronic exposures seen with this drug.

User Population

Every age group has been affected by the relative ease of hydrocodone availability and the perceived safety of these products by professionals. Sometimes seen as a "white-collar" addiction, hydrocodone abuse has increased among all ethnic and economic groups. DAWN data demographics suggest that the most likely hydrocodone abuser is a 20-40 yr old, white, female, who uses the drug because she is dependent or trying to commit suicide. However, hydrocodone-related deaths have been reported from every age grouping.

Illicit Distribution

Hydrocodone-containing products are in tablet, capsule and liquid forms. A variety of colors, markings, and packaging are available.

The major source of hydrocodone to the street has been through bogus call-in and forged prescriptions, professional diversion through unscrupulous pharmacists, doctors, and dentists, and large-scale thefts. The pills have been sold for $2 to $10 per tablet and $20 to $40 per 8 oz bottle on the street.

Control Status

Hydrocodone is in Schedule II of the Controlled Substances Act. Preparations containing hydrocodone in combination with other non-narcotic medicinal ingredients are in Schedule III.

Comments and additional information are welcomed by the Drug and Chemical Evaluation Section, FAX 202-307-8570 or telephone 202-307-7183.

August, 2001




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#80253 - 11/12/04 09:12 PM Re: Hydrocodone - Dihydrocodeine - Vicodin - Lortab
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However, it is now considered that a dose of 15 mg (1/4 gr) of hydrocodone is equivalent to 10 mg (1/6 gr) of morphine. Hydrocodone is considered to be morphine-like in all respects.

My poor math skills tell me that 15 mg is 1/67 gr
and 10 mg is 1/100 gr. Correct me if I'm wrong.

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#80254 - 11/12/04 09:32 PM Re: Hydrocodone - Dihydrocodeine - Vicodin - Lortab
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However, it is now considered that a dose of 15 mg (1/4 gr) of hydrocodone is equivalent to 10 mg (1/6 gr) of morphine. Hydrocodone is considered to be morphine-like in all respects.

My poor math skills tell me that 15 mg is 1/67 gr
and 10 mg is 1/100 gr. Correct me if I'm wrong.




The source of your confusion appears to be the failure to differentiate grains from grams. As you correctly note in the first paragraph, 15 mg.= 1/4 grain (one grain, the English apothecary unit of measurement, is approximately 60 milligrams, the metric unit of mass). In your second paragraph you may be confusing grains (gr.) with grams (g). 15 mg. is indeed 1/67 of a gram, but 1/4 of a grain. Likewise, 10 mg. is 1/100 of a gram but 1/6 of a grain. Other than missing the distinction between grains and grams, though, your math skills are not bad at all .

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#80255 - 03/08/05 03:45 PM Re: Hydrocodone - Dihydrocodeine - Vicodin - Lortab
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What is the strogest pain med you can buy online?
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#80256 - 03/10/05 01:17 PM Re: Hydrocodone - Dihydrocodeine - Vicodin - Lortab
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Any of the various combinations of Hydrocodone and Acetaminophen are the best you can do online. Various people like various combinations, although 10/500 or 10/650 are probably the most popular. Some people use 10/325 to keep the Acetaminophen content low. There are compounded versions with a little more Hydrocodone (15 mg)and a lot less Acetaminophen, but many people seem to think they don't work that well, and they are expensive. Then again, everything along these lines is expensive on the net.
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#80257 - 05/21/05 07:26 AM Re: Hydrocodone - Dihydrocodeine - Vicodin - Lortab
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I have read on various threads that people have complained that their order of Hydrocodone is weak or not very effective. Sometimes people have said that there hydrocodone is old, this being the reason it is weak. Is there any validity to these claims? Is it possible that Hydrocodone can loose its potency? If anyone has knowledge or experience with pharmaceuticals, please tell me if these claims are possible. Thank you.
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#80258 - 05/21/05 07:31 AM Re: Hydrocodone - Dihydrocodeine - Vicodin - Lortab
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MPO is even if the meds have not expired it could all depend on how they were stored. Hot warehouse, ect.. could cause some problems. Even leaving your meds in your car on a hot day could make them loose their potency. At least that is what I have found personally.
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#80259 - 06/25/05 08:58 AM Re: Hydrocodone - Dihydrocodeine - Vicodin - Lortab
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Hiya curve ... I think some of it is imagination. The medications are the same ones you get at the pharmacy in your home town. Sometimes potency issues surface when an international pharmacy product is confused with one from the US. These NROPs use US drugs so you do not have to worry about the manufacturer or the medication. There is no business that I am aware of that buys old, expired meds (law requires the pharmacy to dispose of the) and the resells them from a NROP. I don't even think that an online service would have access to meds like that.

Take care,


Edited by PlyrLacy (06/25/05 08:59 AM)
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#80260 - 06/25/05 10:22 AM Re: Hydrocodone - Dihydrocodeine - Vicodin - Lortab
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Its not my imagination when my pain isn't controlled as it usually is, tolerance can be a reason , but not if you haven't taken the same drug in months .I don't think the pharm are not
going by regulations, but other factors can affect efficacy in relation to drugs.(I HAVE BOUGHT STALE BREAD THAT WAS SUPPOSE TO BE FRESH ETC.)
Every experience is different , due to many reasons , but in my opinion ,I have received meds from pacific blue that were not as effective as the others I have taken, (ONES THAT I STILL HAD FROM ANOTHER PHARM.)

Some docs. think pain or illness is in some peoples imagination, and that may be true in some patients, but not all.

I have worked for docs. that think some people are drug seekers , sometimes that is true, but a lot of times they found out later from tests, etc that was not the case.

Experiences are not one big generalization, life has proven that.

I believe the benefit of the doubt must be given until it is proved wrong to do so.

This is only my opinion , but experiences , life lived long, has brought me to that conclusion.

This is not mean't to offend anyone , but I feel stongly in this regard.

lots of love to all, who live in pain and to the ones with bad experiences after not receiving meds. that should give them relief their hard earned money has paid for,

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#80261 - 06/29/05 04:30 AM Re: Hydrocodone - Dihydrocodeine - Vicodin - Lortab
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Can the acetaminophen be removed from these pills by any know in home process?
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#80262 - 06/29/05 06:22 AM Re: Hydrocodone - Dihydrocodeine - Vicodin - Lortab
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yes...cold water extraction or whatever it's called. I'm sure there has to be some threads on it here, but if not, there will most certainly be info on the web in general. I don't know anything about it though...so can't comment any more.
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#80263 - 07/01/05 05:15 PM Re: Hydrocodone - Dihydrocodeine - Vicodin - Lortab
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Someone please provide details. I looked and can't find instructions. I am sure lots of people would love to know the correct process.
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#80264 - 07/01/05 05:29 PM Re: Hydrocodone - Dihydrocodeine - Vicodin - Lortab
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This is what you're looking for http://adhpage.tripod.com/coldwater.htm
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#80265 - 07/05/05 07:44 AM Re: Hydrocodone - Dihydrocodeine - Vicodin - Lortab
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why don't you get the one without acetaminophen ??? It would be a lot easier and you wouldn't get that horrible taste of the extraction
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#80266 - 07/05/05 07:55 AM Re: Hydrocodone - Dihydrocodeine - Vicodin - Lortab
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This topic is against the Rules here at DBers so be careful as you might get banned because of it. I would hate to see anyone get banned because they posted something they shouldn't have.
A good thing to do is refresh yourself with the posting Rules to avoid any trouble with the mods. Check out rule #17!!

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#80267 - 10/11/05 07:46 AM Re: Hydrocodone - Dihydrocodeine - Vicodin - Lortab
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Hi,
Just saw this on a site anybody everheard of it?

In conjunction with new DEA guidelines, all medications that contain both Hydrocodone and Acetaminophen (APAP), will now contain a higher dose of Acetaminophen (APAP). The new formulation will contain 200mg of APAP instead of 80mg. This change does not affect the amount of Hydrocodone in the product. If you have specific questions, please contact us at info@rxscriptonline.com.

I am new and hope this is in the right place.
Thanks,The Shark.

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#80268 - 08/05/06 01:00 PM Re: Hydrocodone and Acetaminophen
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I now take hydro 10/325 or 10/500 if I need more tylenol because of the pain depending on the weather/season. I am wondering if tylenol 3 would help me better, the same or not as well. I don't know very much about the difference in relief of the two and don't want to discuss a change if its not a good one.
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#80269 - 08/10/06 11:37 AM Re: Hydrocodone and Acetaminophen
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Has anyone ever heard of or taken the hydrocodone and acetomineofen generic made by Mikart. I am leery of generics to begin with and usually get brand name from my doctor but now the pharmacy is telling me they can't get brand name of lortab from anywhere or any brand name for that matter. This would be a generic for Lortab 7.5/500 made by Mikart. Anyone? Thanks
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#80270 - 08/10/06 11:51 AM Re: Hydrocodone and Acetaminophen
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Has anyone ever heard of or taken the hydrocodone and acetomineofen generic made by Mikart. I am leery of generics to begin with and usually get brand name from my doctor but now the pharmacy is telling me they can't get brand name of lortab from anywhere or any brand name for that matter. This would be a generic for Lortab 7.5/500 made by Mikart. Anyone? Thanks




Mine is MALLINCKRODT generic and it's fine. 7.5/750MG TABS.
The instructions say to take 1 TAB every 4 hours. I think after a while my body got too used to the stuff and it does very little for me really lately.

I'd rather always have brand name, but I can't afford that and only very rarely ever got anything brand name. I tend to think no matter what, there is a difference. Brand is always better, I got brand name dilaudid in the hospital and they sent me home with a script. I filled it with a generic and they were like sugar pills. Nearly no effect at ALL!

So what I'm trying to say is, my opinion is it's hit or miss with generics. I think there also exists actual fake pills too, not generic, just FAKE.

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#80271 - 08/10/06 12:03 PM Re: Hydrocodone and Acetaminophen
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There is no pic posted here of the one I am prescribed. It says M360 on it though and it is indeed a 7.5/750.
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#80272 - 09/14/06 08:27 PM Re: Hydrocodone and Acetaminophen
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I just received my prescription of generic Hydro 10-500 w/APAP from an ROP and it turned out to be the Qualitest brand. After taking Watson 10-500's, I noticed a HUGE difference with the Qualitest brand.

Aside from providing me with very little pain relief for my lower back area (I now have to take more than double the usual dose to get the same effect the Watson's had), the Qualitest hydrocodone upsets my stomach AND makes me feel extremely nauseous and sleepy, which is causing problems for me with my job.

Has anyone out there had a similar experience when switching from one generic brand of Hydro w/APAP to another? If so please let me know which brands you switched from/to and the main differences.

Thanks!

Diane


Edited by raleighdr12 (09/14/06 08:28 PM)

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#80273 - 10/04/06 06:27 PM Re: Hydrocodone and Acetaminophen
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where do i find the prices for the price lists????/ thank u all...mbnightrainn
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#80274 - 10/04/06 07:00 PM Re: Hydrocodone and Acetaminophen
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So funny sometimes...lol its the same exact med
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#80275 - 01/20/07 08:51 PM Re: Hydrocodone and Acetaminophen
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There is a great discussion on the difference between generic and name brand on the 10/325 discussion board. I personally do well with all generics except for anti-depression drugs (stick to name brand). Also, after 1 1/2 years on the 10/325 for migraines, my doctor just changed me to 10/650. WHOOO HOOO! So much better! Pain control lasts longer and is much better. I take the blue pill. So much bigger than the little yellow 10/325. I was having to also take Actiq and Maxalt in combo with the hydro. Now I'm taking less of each. Much better since Actiq is schedule II and very addictive. Happy, Happy!
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#80276 - 01/20/07 08:56 PM Re: Hydrocodone and Acetaminophen
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I never did. Mallies & Watson and brand Abott (Vicodin ES) worked pretty much the same for me. The ES was better due to the extra apap but I tend to stay away from apap due to liver issues. It is all based on your own personal chemistry and what you eat, IMHO.
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