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#742021 - 08/05/08 02:20 PM
Re: Social Security # Requirements
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stevo1
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Registered: 08/08/06
Posts: 1585
Loc: Top of The World!
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Which OCS's are requiring SS#'s?
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#742022 - 08/05/08 02:26 PM
Re: Social Security # Requirements
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PinkDiva
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Registered: 01/03/08
Posts: 636
Loc: Walking down old Route 66
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I've never heard of an OCS ask for a SSN#. Never give out your number, especially online.
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#742023 - 08/05/08 02:27 PM
Re: Social Security # Requirements
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domain
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Registered: 07/17/03
Posts: 266
Loc: Midwest
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You are not required to give the OCS your SSN by law.They can insist on it and refuse to do business with you if you don't and there's not much you can do about it. I do not release mine to anyone except those who need it, employer, bank, IRS and some state agencies.
If you want to have fun ask the OCS for a copy of their Federal Exemption Certificate that allows them to collect your SSN. They won't have one, it takes an act of congress to get one.
Several years ago where I live a large local grocery chain asked for SSN's when accepting or cashing checks. One guy got upset, filed a lawsuit in federal court and picked up a decent amount of cash from the chain. The judge told the chain they could not ask for or require SSN's and if they had a problem with that they could stop taking checks. People writing checks made up close to 50% of business for the chain so they stopped and now ask for alternate ID without SSN's on them.
Question now is do you want to give up another source of access to your identity to make an OCS happy.
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#742088 - 08/05/08 04:21 PM
Re: Social Security # Requirements
[Re: Rescue3000]
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Bluefairy
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Registered: 06/27/07
Posts: 836
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Where I live you have to give that info to buy a money order from a grocery store, use a check anywhere but Walmart, rent an apartment, go to the doctor, go to the ER, etc. You would have to give it to have any utilities cut on, or off for that matter. Electricity, phone, gas, water, cable, internet.
All household members have to have theirs listed for a child to register for school. It even says you do not have to provide the info, but if not the child cant register. So then you register them for home school (using SSNs) or go to jail.
I know in theory you do not have to give it out, but here you can forget about doing anything without it. Do other areas really not require that at every transaction of any type?
I am not speculating about who still requires it here, all above was either experienced personally by me, spouse, or college aged child in the last 15 months.
One ER did not release my teenage niece (14) till someone found her SSN and called my sister with it, then she was out as soon as they wrote her number on the discharge papers.
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#742211 - 08/05/08 07:41 PM
Re: Social Security # Requirements
[Re: Bluefairy]
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booker
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Registered: 08/15/03
Posts: 667
Loc: The Moon
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BlueFairy,
For a money order? Why would they need that for a money order? That is crazy. You hear what can happen to someone who gets your SS# and you can be ruined for life. Not just the credit card, but renting, taking out loans, man oh man. I assume that my husband's employer may have given the health insurance his SS# but at the Dr, dentist, eye dr, just the card with policy # on it. I guess they could get it from the insurance co. I honestly can't remember giving out my SS# for much of anything other than a loan way back when or for a credit card.
I'm just super careful with SS# and credit card information.
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"would you like to swing on a star, carry moonbeams home in a jar, and be better off than you are, or would you rather be a ....."
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#742317 - 08/06/08 03:19 AM
Re: Social Security # Requirements
[Re: Bluefairy]
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CairoKid
Veteran
Registered: 03/19/07
Posts: 650
Loc: USA
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Where I live you have to give that info to buy a money order from a grocery store, use a check anywhere but Walmart, rent an apartment, go to the doctor, go to the ER, etc. You would have to give it to have any utilities cut on, or off for that matter. Electricity, phone, gas, water, cable, internet.
All household members have to have theirs listed for a child to register for school. It even says you do not have to provide the info, but if not the child cant register. So then you register them for home school (using SSNs) or go to jail.
I know in theory you do not have to give it out, but here you can forget about doing anything without it. Do other areas really not require that at every transaction of any type?
I am not speculating about who still requires it here, all above was either experienced personally by me, spouse, or college aged child in the last 15 months.
One ER did not release my teenage niece (14) till someone found her SSN and called my sister with it, then she was out as soon as they wrote her number on the discharge papers.
Money order????
Where do you live? If you don't want to say exactly, maybe approximatly? (If not, I understand).
Big city, medium town, little tiny town?
Not trying to be nosy, but some of what you described was hard to understand why they would want it (your SS#).
Take care & best wishes,
CairoKid
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""The world is a fine place and worth the fighting for (and I hate very much to leave it)."
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#742352 - 08/06/08 05:22 AM
Re: Social Security # Requirements
[Re: Bluefairy]
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RubixCubeTO
Threadhead
Registered: 08/14/07
Posts: 985
Loc: MEAN PEOPLE SUCK!!
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Where I live you have to give that info to buy a money order from a grocery store, use a check anywhere but Walmart, rent an apartment, go to the doctor, go to the ER, etc. You would have to give it to have any utilities cut on, or off for that matter. Electricity, phone, gas, water, cable, internet.
All household members have to have theirs listed for a child to register for school. It even says you do not have to provide the info, but if not the child cant register. So then you register them for home school (using SSNs) or go to jail.
I know in theory you do not have to give it out, but here you can forget about doing anything without it. Do other areas really not require that at every transaction of any type?
I am not speculating about who still requires it here, all above was either experienced personally by me, spouse, or college aged child in the last 15 months.
One ER did not release my teenage niece (14) till someone found her SSN and called my sister with it, then she was out as soon as they wrote her number on the discharge papers.
are you kidding me? That's crazy and wrong!!
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Peace,
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#742699 - 08/06/08 04:13 PM
Re: Social Security # Requirements
[Re: Bluefairy]
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CairoKid
Veteran
Registered: 03/19/07
Posts: 650
Loc: USA
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They might ask for my DL- drivers license- but not my SS#. My DL works for checks, no ID for money orders (I'm giving them cash!), I don't think I gave my SS# for most of my utilities, just the ol' DL. I don't know about schools. My doctor just made a copy of my DL I believe. In college, I rented an apartement with just my DL and school ID- never asked for SS#.
As we all know, if the wrong person gets your SS#, they can ruin your life. An in-law had their IDs stolen and it took 5+ years to sort it all out. The person who stole the IDs was a different ethnic group (OK, different color, and there was a 200 pound weight difference). She alerted the police, but that didn't help much. They had her once! She talked her way out of it- boy was my in-law angry!!! Only time I heard her cuss- called the cop a "dumb a**" and to "kiss her toe" (whatever that means).
I don't like giving it- my SS#- out willy-nilly (or even not willy-nilly).
Best to all,
C/K
PS- I seen on TV (one of those investigative shows) that you can buy a pack of identification with: a SS#, a DL (drivers license), and one more ID (like library card or school ID, you know- to make it look good....having one more piece of "identification") for around $300-$350 in LA. The reporter told them he wanted one bundle/pack of identification and in 2-3 hours they brought all the IDs back. Everything looked official. That's how some illegals pass off as legals, I guess. Btw, my Mom- RIP- was from the old country so I'm not insensitive to immmigrants- legal or otherwise (allthough I believe you should do it legal like my Mom). Dad is an all-American WASP.
On a related note, we maybe should to do like Canada does- or did. They would say we need 20,000 engineers, 15,000 teachers, 8,000 doctors (MDs), etc... The numbers I'm making up, but you get the point (I hope). It seems like a more sensible approach. And yes, they allowed such-and-such amount of unskilled people in as well.
All right...I think I've blabbed enough.
Best to everyone and take care,
C/K
PS- God Bless America.
Edited by CairoKid (08/06/08 04:24 PM)
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""The world is a fine place and worth the fighting for (and I hate very much to leave it)."
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#742888 - 08/06/08 10:38 PM
Re: Social Security # Requirements
[Re: CairoKid]
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Bluefairy
Threadhead
Registered: 06/27/07
Posts: 836
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Okay. 18 year old daughter is moving into a new apartment next week. She is starting college in a town in the northeast of our state.
As we had her utilities cut on today, all required ssn from her and at least one parent. I attempted to see if my DL# and hers would work instead. I was told it was optional, but they would not do service with us without it. ????
So for electricity, water, cable, and internet it is required. I asked how it is optional if they will not service you otherwise, and no one had an answer. Several laughed and said they wondered that themselves, but that is what they were required to say.
We are not hooking up a landline, but I already know that BellSouth makes a copy of your Social Security card along with your Drivers License before they will cut on phone service. They recently did an audit in my home town and made people who had had service for years bring theirs in to be copied if they did not have a copy electronically on file. Big uproar by people who had had the same phone for fifty years or so, and only come in town one Sat a month to grocery shop.
The money order thing is a one off, I only know of one place that does that. In my home town you can buy a money order at any gas station. Small county, around 30,000 town, county, and Indian Reservation. Where I attend university during the week, it is closer to 50,000 in city limits alone, plus two colleges full of students. So you would think a money order would be easy to get? Post office, two gas stations, and a grocery store. It is the grocery store that requires SSN & DL, or passport. They also have a $600 limit per day, $1200 limit for 3 day period. They record them. I have no idea why. So I go to the post office.
When we were purchasing some things at Bed&Bath for her new apartment they asked me for my DL # and my SSN. I gave them my DL# but said I was uncomfortable about the SSN, and all other information was already on the check. They called the manager. He finally pulled out their written policy to prove to me that he was required to collect that information.
Then we went to Walmart. I handed over one of my husband's checks. He was not even at the check out, and it was an account I am not on, in a town we do not live in. They ran it thru their little autocheck thingy, and did not even ask for ID, or comment that it was for Jeremy and I am most definitely a Leisl. (not only are we not the same sex, we are also not the same race, so much for ID security there).
I will keep trying to refuse to give it, and let y'all know the outcome, if anyone is interested.
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#742926 - 08/07/08 01:02 AM
Re: Social Security # Requirements
[Re: Bluefairy]
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70727487
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Registered: 07/04/07
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#743556 - 08/08/08 05:05 AM
Re: Social Security # Requirements
[Re: booker]
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Thalia64
Member
Registered: 03/09/08
Posts: 107
Loc: USA
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ERM***
This a TRACKING DEVICE as someone said, that shows all the OCS you have used that report.And if 1 place didnt cancel you as requested youget the boot from your service. Happened to me, now i don't know what to do.
I went to reconsult yesterday and the girl who takes on many names there,Holly,Allison and this time Amy asked me for my SS number. I asked what for.She said just to put in my file. I said i don't like giving it out. She promised me it would not be used for anything but my file. Since i had only ever used 2 places and was with them for yrs,I gave it. I went to sign in my account and it was blocked.I calledthem and she said it was because i had used 2 services. I explained that wasnt the case and could prove it.But they would not Discuss it. So basically they took my SS under false pretense and it was used against me.
I can understand their thinking, if it was true but it was only because EDC Never took me out of their system which i only used for 1 month.
So now i don't know what will happen to my info.Or what i will do for a service. I'm sending edc a letter this morning and telling them to take me out and send me that letter. I asked 5 times before and never got return email.
I know it was them obviously because i only used 2 over the yrs.
Any help in this would be appreciated. It stinks i lost a long term place because of this Edc incompetance.
Thanks in advance for any insight.
Thalia
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