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#659508 - 02/29/08 11:35 AM Something in POT might ease pain for those with FM
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Preliminary Study Shows Less Pain, Better Quality of Life in Fibromyalgia Patients Taking Nabilone

By Miranda Hitti
WebMD Medical News

Reviewed By Brunilda Nazario, MD

Feb. 19, 2008 -- Nabilone, a pain drug based on marijuana's active ingredient, may ease fibromyalgia pain.

So say Canadian researchers, based on a preliminary, short-term study.

The study included 40 fibromyalgia patients. First, they did three things:

Rate the intensity of their fibromyalgia pain. The rating scale ranged from 0 (no pain) to 10 (the worst pain imaginable). Their average rating was about 6.
Rate their quality of life. The rating scale ranged from 0 to 100, with higher scores indicating worse quality of life. Their average rating was 66.
Get a check of their tender points -- parts of the body that are often sensitive in fibromyalgia patients.
The researchers then split the patients into two groups.

For a month, one group of patients took nabilone daily. The other group took a placebo pill. The patients didn't know which pill they were taking.

After a month of nabilone treatment, fibromyalgia pain was less intense and quality of life had improved. No such changes were seen with the placebo.

Nabilone treatment didn't affect the patients' number of tender points. And it didn't cure fibromyalgia pain -- when patients stopped taking nabilone, their fibromyalgia pain returned to its former intensity.

Nabilone was well tolerated, but side effects were more commonly reported in the nabilone group. Those side effects -- which included drowsiness, dry mouth, vertigo, and movement problems -- were "generally mild," write the researchers.

Longer studies are needed to track the long-term effects, note the University of Manitoba's Ryan Quinlan Skrabek, MD, and colleagues.

Their study appears in the February edition of The Journal of Pain.

SOURCES: Skrabek, R. The Journal of Pain, February 2008; vol 9: pp 164-173.
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#659513 - 02/29/08 11:37 AM Re: Something in POT might ease pain for those with FM [Re: mmyp]
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Medical Marijuana serves multiple medical purposes that have been PROVEN. Nice thread! This country needs to wake up on the topic of medical marijuana.

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#659517 - 02/29/08 11:40 AM Re: Something in POT might ease pain for those with FM [Re: MARLEY]
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Darn Marley, you beat me to it! ;\)
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#659544 - 02/29/08 12:05 PM Re: Something in POT might ease pain for those with FM [Re: NotBillGates]
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My pleasure to post something that can be useful to someone.
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#659562 - 02/29/08 12:33 PM Re: Something in POT might ease pain for those with FM [Re: mmyp]
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Nabilone (former brand Cesamet) is used to treat vomiting due to chemotherapy unresponsive to traditional antiemetics. Being in tablet form, it is more acceptable than a raw plant; the tablets can be taken in public and the dose of active ingredient is guaranteed.

Unfortunately for anyone on here with fibromyalgia, they aren't going to find an IOP source of it.

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#659571 - 02/29/08 12:45 PM Re: Something in POT might ease pain for those with FM [Re: nephro]
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Nabilone (former brand Cesamet) is used to treat vomiting due to chemotherapy unresponsive to traditional antiemetics. Being in tablet form, it is more acceptable than a raw plant; the tablets can be taken in public and the dose of active ingredient is guaranteed.

Unfortunately for anyone on here with fibromyalgia, they aren't going to find an IOP source of it.

Nephro, by any chance is this the same as Marinol (dronabinol) that is used in the United States for the same purpose? I know the names differ, but was wondering if this could be used in lieu of Nabilone for FM.
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#659587 - 02/29/08 12:59 PM Re: Something in POT might ease pain for those with FM [Re: NotBillGates]
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It's a different alkaloid by the sounds of it. Not sure how these alkaloids work and what differences there are, but if one compares it with opium, most of the alkaloids of opium have similar actions, though not all. Papaveretum was used in the UK for a long time for pain and was a relatively simple opium extract and purification for injection (and tablets), containing morphine, codeine, papaverine and noscapine. The last two were redundant but the drug worked.

Even so, both these cannabinoids have an antiemetic effect. But what property is it about the nabilone that makes it relieve the symptoms of FM? I honestly don't know. Perhaps there's a case for leaving all the alkaloids in and making a cheap and simple tincture.

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#659602 - 02/29/08 01:14 PM Re: Something in POT might ease pain for those with FM [Re: nephro]
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Thank you for the reply Nephro. After further digging, I found quite a bit of sites on google that are praising Marinol (dronabinol) for easing pain associated with FM, MS and other treatment resistant illnesses.

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#659658 - 02/29/08 02:03 PM Re: Something in POT might ease pain for those with FM [Re: NotBillGates]
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Hate to look on the dark side, but if it does get approved for FM, I wonder if it will affect the number of patients presenting with the condition?
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#659723 - 02/29/08 03:36 PM Re: Something in POT might ease pain for those with FM [Re: nephro]
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Thought this might help the discussion:

Nabilone
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Nabilone
Systematic (IUPAC) name
(6aR,10aR)-1-hydroxy-6,6-dimethyl-3-(2-methyloctan-2-yl)-
-7,8,10,10a-tetrahydro-6H-benzo[c]chromen-9(6aH)-one

Identifiers
CAS number 51022-71-0
ATC code A04AD11
PubChem 5284592
DrugBank APRD01127
Chemical data
Formula C24H36O3
Mol. mass 372.541 g/mol
Pharmacokinetic data
Bioavailability 20% after first-pass by the liver
Protein binding similar to THC (+/-97%)
Metabolism ?
Half life 2 hours, with metabolites around 35 hours.
Excretion ?
Therapeutic considerations
Pregnancy cat. NA

Legal status Schedule II(US)

Routes Oral form (PO)- capsule
Nabilone is a synthetic cannabinoid with therapeutic use as an antiemetic and as an adjunct analgesic for neuropathic pain. It is a synthetic cannabinoid, which mimics the main ingredient of marijuana (THC) but it has more predictable side effects and causes no or minimal euphoria. Nabilone is not derived from the cannabis plant as is dronabinol.

In Canada, the United States, the United Kingdom and Mexico, nabilone is marketed as Cesamet. It was approved in 1985 by the United States FDA for treatment of chemotherapy-induced nausea and vomiting that has not responded to conventional antiemetics. Though it was approved by the FDA in 1985, the drug only began marketing in the United States in 2006. It is also approved for use in treatment of anorexia and weight loss in patients with AIDS.

Although it doesn't have the official indication (except in Mexico), nabilone is widely used as an adjunct therapy for chronic pain management. Numerous trials and case studies have demonstrated various benefits for condition such as fibromyalgia and multiple sclerosis[citation needed].

Nabilone is a racemic mixture consisting of the (S,S) and the (R,R) isomers ("trans").


[edit] Clinical trials
The main settings that have seen published clinical trials of nabilone include movement disorders such as Parkinson's syndrome, chronic pain, dystonia and spasticity neurological disorders, fibromyalgia, multiple sclerosis, and the nausea of cancer chemotherapy.

A study comparing nabilone with metoclopramide, conducted before the development of modern 5-HT3 inhibitor anti-emetics such as ondansetron, revealed that patients taking cisplatin chemotherapy preferred metoclopramide, while patients taking carboplatin chemotherapy preferred nabilone to control nausea and vomiting. [1] Another study compared nabilone alone to nabilone with dexamethasone. The study found that the combination worked better than the single medication. [2] An older study revealed that nabilone was more effective than prochlorperazine in controlling nausea, though in this study, only 9% of nabilone patients had complete resolution of symptoms. [3] A follow-up to this study revealed similar findings. [4]

One study compared the efficacy and tolerability of nabilone with that of dihydrocodeine in the treatment of neuropathic pain.[5] The authors found that nabilone was not as effective as dihydrocodeine in controlling pain, and caused a higher incidence of minor adverse drug reactions than did dihydrocodeine. One critic of the study has suggested that nabilone might be best suited for the treatment of patients suffering from central and spasticity-related pain, for which there is stronger evidence for the benefits of cannabinoid therapy; however, these patients made up only a small fraction of the study's population, and the study was not designed to identify subgroups which might have responded more favorably to treatment than others.[6]


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#659755 - 02/29/08 04:32 PM Re: Something in POT might ease pain for those with FM [Re: mmyp]
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How stupid of me; it says "synthetic cannabinoid" in the formulary. The capsules are terribly expensive, at the equivalent of $250 for 20 to the NHS.
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#659794 - 02/29/08 05:54 PM Re: Something in POT might ease pain for those with FM [Re: MARLEY]
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Medical Marijuana serves multiple medical purposes that have been PROVEN. Nice thread! This country needs to wake up on the topic of medical marijuana.

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Why does it have to be medical. Alcohol is legal, far more destructive and has no medicinal purposes.

We need to wake up to a completer revamp of our constitution, states rights, home right and individual rights. It would not surprise me in the least if there were a civil revolution in this country within the next fifty years.
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#659849 - 02/29/08 07:56 PM Re: Something in POT might ease pain for those with FM [Re: kserah]
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Marinol is a "cannabanoid." Big deal. It's a CIII.

It's used for chemo induced nausea/weight loss, and weight loss in AIDS patients.

It's used off lable in anorexia situations unrelated to cancer or AIDS.

It doesn't make anyone "high." It's a medication that helps people eat. And if it helps provide a sense of overall well-being too, well great. It's better than a feeding tube or death.

Sativex may hit the US market. . . last I heard. It's made from the same derivative, THC, found in marijuana as its active ingredient. It has been approved in Canada and the UK. Clinical trials are in the works in the US.
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#659850 - 02/29/08 08:00 PM Re: Something in POT might ease pain for those with FM [Re: nephro]
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How stupid of me; it says "synthetic cannabinoid" in the formulary. The capsules are terribly expensive, at the equivalent of $250 for 20 to the NHS.


Megase can run 800 bucks a month here. For nothing but fat. Some expensive fat, huh?
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#659911 - 02/29/08 11:08 PM Re: Something in POT might ease pain for those with FM [Re: DonVito]
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Yes it's ridiculous how the cost multiplies when a product is given a medical label. High protein drinks for the undernourished can cost £10 each for 100ml, whereas a large tub of superior product can be purchased at health food shops for less.

But this is the same everywhere. I was browsing an education supplies catalogue recently, and in the Modern Foreign Languages section they were selling CD/tape recorders for £150. The same product can be bought in the high street for £50. And schools are stupid enough to buy them.

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#659915 - 02/29/08 11:25 PM Re: Something in POT might ease pain for those with FM [Re: kserah]
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 Originally Posted By: kserah
 Originally Posted By: MARLEY
Medical Marijuana serves multiple medical purposes that have been PROVEN. Nice thread! This country needs to wake up on the topic of medical marijuana.

-MARLEY


Why does it have to be medical. Alcohol is legal, far more destructive and has no medicinal purposes.

We need to wake up to a completer revamp of our constitution, states rights, home right and individual rights. It would not surprise me in the least if there were a civil revolution in this country within the next fifty years.

Thank you Kserah.I too hate the term 'medical marijuana'.
We dont say medical marigolds or medical roses.
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#659918 - 02/29/08 11:35 PM Re: Something in POT might ease pain for those with FM [Re: DonVito]
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 Originally Posted By: nephro
How stupid of me; it says "synthetic cannabinoid" in the formulary. The capsules are terribly expensive, at the equivalent of $250 for 20 to the NHS.


Megase can run 800 bucks a month here. For nothing but fat. Some expensive fat, huh?

Yes,but to plant a seed in your back yard and wait 3 months costs next to nothing.
Marijuana is well known to be a POTENT pain killer.For some types of pain,you can get more relief from one joint than you can from a couple of MS Contins and/or Oxycodones.
On the flip side,many 'pot heads' are completely ignorant to the fact that they are addicted to a very strong pain killer.
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#659921 - 03/01/08 12:02 AM Re: Something in POT might ease pain for those with FM [Re: JokerOwling]
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are ther alot of 'potheads' on this board? never thought about it because I hate the feeling myself. how many are using it for pain relief? not many, I'll bet. guess I'd better get real, this IS a drug board after all...

I never thought pot was physically addictive.

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#659922 - 03/01/08 12:08 AM Re: Something in POT might ease pain for those with FM [Re: JokerOwling]
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MJ is the ONLY thing that helps my husbands sciatica. Better than opiates or any of the drugs developed to treat his condition. It's time to end this prohibition!
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#659953 - 03/01/08 03:12 AM Re: Something in POT might ease pain for those with FM [Re: scruf]
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are ther alot of 'potheads' on this board? never thought about it because I hate the feeling myself. how many are using it for pain relief? not many, I'll bet. guess I'd better get real, this IS a drug board after all...

I never thought pot was physically addictive.


Calling someone a "pothead" who relies on this plant for medical reasons seems a bit harsh.

I know my uncle who is a cancer patient was completely against this treatment until he gave it a try. Now he is able to eat more, take his medication without all of the terrible side effects and much more.

It is hard to say how many are using if or pain relief, scruf, but it is happening every single day and with excellent results. Where did you see that this plant is physically addictive? Thanks!

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#659954 - 03/01/08 03:15 AM Re: Something in POT might ease pain for those with FM [Re: cbrn]
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MJ is the ONLY thing that helps my husbands sciatica. Better than opiates or any of the drugs developed to treat his condition. It's time to end this prohibition!


I agree and believe it should be legalized immediately for medical purposes and decriminalized for the small/non-violent offenders.

The progressive States in this country have already been well ahead the rest of the country by legalizing it statewide.

Our prison population would diminish substantially overnight if marijuana were decriminized---This is a FACT.

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#659958 - 03/01/08 03:36 AM Re: Something in POT might ease pain for those with FM [Re: MARLEY]
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Scruf is calling the rec users 'pot-heads' I think. The raw plant will never gain acceptance because smoking is socially unacceptable now. It has to be tablets or liquid, and the amount of alkaloids has to be regulated so that the product provides consistent results.

Whilst it may seem stupid that alcohol is legal and this stuff isn't, this is just how things have turned out, and I think there is little point campaigning to legalise it. It would require a very brave president or whoever to make a decision that would please many but horrify probably even more. They are much more likely to 'play safe'.

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#659959 - 03/01/08 03:39 AM Re: Something in POT might ease pain for those with FM [Re: nephro]
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Scruf is calling the rec users 'pot-heads' I think. The raw plant will never gain acceptance because smoking is socially unacceptable now. It has to be tablets or liquid, and the amount of alkaloids has to be regulated so that the product provides consistent results.

Whilst it may seem stupid that alcohol is legal and this stuff isn't, this is just how things have turned out, and I think there is little point campaigning to legalise it. It would require a very brave president or whoever to make a decision that would please many but horrify probably even more. They are much more likely to 'play safe'.


Change has to begin somewhere and although the U.S. has dug themselves so deep into this hole, there is still hope of one day digging our way back out. The War On Drugs will go down as one of the worst parts of American History. The negative impacts its had are astonishing. Isn't it interesting how the U.S. declares a "War" on everything??
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#659962 - 03/01/08 03:44 AM Re: Something in POT might ease pain for those with FM [Re: MARLEY]
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How about a 'War On War'? Oh wait, they actually do that already!

The biggest war in the UK is the one on motorists.


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#659965 - 03/01/08 04:11 AM Re: Something in POT might ease pain for those with FM [Re: nephro]
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Scruf is calling the rec users 'pot-heads' I think.

I think Scruf was refering to my post where I used the term 'potheads'.Just to clarify,I wasn't using the term in the negative.Where I live every second person is a 'pothead'.Its usually used to mean someone who smokes alot(if not all day),and also uses nothing else(often because they wont see a dr).
Using 'pot' occasionally is not the same as being considered to be a 'pothead' where I live.
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#659968 - 03/01/08 04:36 AM Re: Something in POT might ease pain for those with FM [Re: JokerOwling]
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In some of the schools near me, hundreds of kids truant the whole day to take the stuff all day long. The schools know about it but it's hard to stop. This is the problem with legalisation; it could be read as saying it's OK to do this.
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