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#637692 - 01/25/08 01:53 PM Nncip.com - Face to Face Consultations - Q&A, General Info, Comments. Great discount for VIP's
Administrator Administrator Administrator GRAND Pooh-Bah Registered: 11/18/01 Posts: 6112 Loc: DrugBuyers.Com	Please use this thread to post your questions about NNCIP.COM Whois info, public info, on March 26th, 2008: Quote: IP Address: 69.64.69.121 IP Location - Arizona - Phoenix - United Md Group Registrant: NNCIP, LLC 1611 W. Whispering Wind Rd. Suite 1 Phoenix, Arizona 85085 United States Domain Name: NNCIP.COM Created on: 26-Oct-07 Expires on: 26-Oct-08 Last Updated on: 06-Dec-07 Administrative/Technical Contact: Bercovich, Aaron NNCIP, LLC 1611 W. Whispering Wind Rd. Suite 1 Phoenix, Arizona 85085 United States 8008466560 Fax -- Domain servers in listed order: NS19.DOMAINCONTROL.COM NS20.DOMAINCONTROL.COM To see their listing, to find the reviews posted by our members, and to find the discount codes please check: http://www.drugbuyers.com/freeboard/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showpharm&Number=454
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#637751 - 01/25/08 03:24 PM Re: Nncip.com - Face to Face Consultations - Q&A, General Info, Comments - Great discount for VIP's [Re: Administrator]
Headache Headache Member Registered: 11/29/02 Posts: 186 Loc: Tennessee	I hope that they will be able to eventually add a doctor in Tennessee. I would definately use their service. _________________________ My head is killin me.
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#637850 - 01/25/08 05:37 PM Re: Nncip.com - Face to Face Consultations - Q&A, General Info, Comments - Great discount for VIP's [Re: Headache]
joebend joebend Threadhead Registered: 07/17/05 Posts: 897	I hope a rep will be on DB to answer questions. If your state is listed and you use the F2F consult, does the prescription written come from your state? The doctor you saw in your state? Is the quarterly phone consult price the regular 109 $ per month? Can you get more than one RX written?
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#637998 - 01/26/08 12:22 AM Re: Nncip.com - Face to Face Consultations - Q&A, General Info, Comments - Great discount for VIP's [Re: joebend]
patient2all patient2all GRAND Pooh-Bah Registered: 05/16/02 Posts: 3473 Loc: usa	Call them up and ask. I made some general inquiries and spoke to a nice, helpful, knowledgeable person. Threw a couple of 'test' interstate legality questions in and the answers were correct! Expect these services to start slow, but it beats the current alternatives by a mile. I was told that the Rx would come from the Doctor in the state that I had the face-to-face with. Presumably that would be your own state or a nearby state that you can travel to. The big difference here vs. the "direct script" is that you need not be prepared to come up with stories about "summer houses", "just moved here", "got hurt on vacation in Florida" should the pharmacist inquire. You can honestly say you saw the Doctor. That makes all the difference in the world. ---- The following is strictly my opinion: The reason I say to expect a slow growth over time is because renting a barren office with a desk and a few plastic chairs will make the place look like a "pill mill". Again, IMO, there has to be all the diagnostic and medical trappings present otherwise it won't impress the DEA to put it mildly. Already practicing Doctors who are recruited are likely to have all that in place. I believe this might be a move in the right direction for those companies that are in it for the long term. With cautious optimism, I'd say go for it. patient2all _________________________ NEW threat, CP Patients We feel like outlaws, NEW laws MAKE us outlaws!
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#638173 - 01/26/08 11:08 AM Re: Nncip.com - Face to Face Consultations - Q&A, General Info, Comments - Great discount for VIP's [Re: patient2all]
darkstar77 darkstar77 Journeyman Registered: 09/13/05 Posts: 56 Loc: South of nowhere	I'm excited to try this service. I will give it a try as soon as I've extricated myself from my current ROP. I'm awaiting my final refill and then I can finally move on. I'm curious as to how far I'll need to travel to see the doctor--hopefully not too far (I'm in VA) and also wondering if I'll need to cancel my account with my current provider once I've gotten my last refill or if I'll be OK since I will not have any consultations or prescriptions pending.
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#638215 - 01/26/08 12:32 PM Re: Nncip.com - Face to Face Consultations - Q&A, General Info, Comments - Great discount for VIP's [Re: patient2all]
hup234 hup234 Board Addict Registered: 04/05/05 Posts: 343 Loc: 50th state	on their site,click on phy,then click on stopping diversion,they issue every person who uses their service a usb chip they have to plug into their computer to insure identy...
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#638303 - 01/26/08 03:48 PM Re: Nncip.com - Face to Face Consultations - Q&A, General Info, Comments - Great discount for VIP's [Re: hup234]
waitin waitin Board Addict Registered: 10/10/04 Posts: 361 Loc: onafarm	Hup234, That's very interesting. I have never heard of such a device. This is very "avant garde". I just hope they get a doctor in my state. _________________________ Waitin for pain to stop
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#638440 - 01/26/08 10:02 PM Re: Nncip.com - Face to Face Consultations - Q&A, General Info, Comments - Great discount for VIP's [Re: waitin]
M4A3 M4A3 Veteran Registered: 12/16/03 Posts: 596 Loc: Pennsylvania	Originally Posted By: waitin Hup234, That's very interesting. I have never heard of such a device. This is very "avant garde". I just hope they get a doctor in my state. I dont like that at all. I hope I dont sound too "big brother" but a memory device that can both send and receive information that isnt mine or controlled by ME is something I wouldn't want to put in my PC. Dont forget things can be uploaded and downloaded onto your PC without you even knowing it. I really like what this company is doing and will give them a shot if they have doctors in PA or WV. But I think I may just tell them I dont have a computer and contact them by phone only. They can keep their memory stick out of my computer! Edited by M4A3 (01/26/08 10:03 PM) _________________________ A truly wise man knows his limitations.
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#638495 - 01/27/08 02:34 AM Re: Nncip.com - Face to Face Consultations - Q&A, General Info, Comments - Great discount for VIP's [Re: M4A3]
PrivateRealm PrivateRealm GRAND Pooh-Bah Registered: 03/18/03 Posts: 3067 Loc: In my realm, I'm QUEEN	I sure do hope they add TN soon. That would be great. _________________________ Anne~~~ "A person's true identity is rarely apparent in the life that they lead."
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#638558 - 01/27/08 08:24 AM Re: Nncip.com - Face to Face Consultations - Q&A, General Info, Comments - Great discount for VIP's [Re: M4A3]
patient2all patient2all GRAND Pooh-Bah Registered: 05/16/02 Posts: 3473 Loc: usa	Quote: Dont forget things can be uploaded and downloaded onto your PC without you even knowing it. Yeah, but keep in mind so many of us have had to fax our most personal information to perhaps a dozen now questionable sites over the years. Keep in mind as you say, things get uploaded and downloaded all the time simply through software. At least here, you know what you're dealing with and can research it more easily. Of course, nncip.com is down now so I can't recheck it, but I believe the USB device is part of something called "3 Tier Authentication" - real "bleeding edge" stuff admittedly. We're used to 2 Tier, with a password and a challenge question. In fact, I just accessed my online banking on a different machine and after the password, it asked for "my maternal grandfather's first name". At first I'm thinking "my mother's grandfather's first name??!!" - how am I supposed to know that, he died in another country in like 1860? Then I realized it was just my grandfather's first name - which I knew $;\)$ Presumably the 3 Tier is more secure. Expect to see more USB keys on software products in the future, simply to prevent pirating. I've seen hardware keys like this in use since serial ports. I don't know how the USB device figures into it exactly, but it could be hooked to a device to upload your fingerprint to make sure it's you ordering the refill, the other 2 "Tiers" appear to be a password and a challenge question. IMO, they're just looking for a way to stymie the people who have abused Telemedicine and contributed to making our lives even harder with a little Adobe Photoshop knowledge. patient2all _________________________ NEW threat, CP Patients We feel like outlaws, NEW laws MAKE us outlaws!
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#638562 - 01/27/08 08:31 AM Re: Nncip.com - Face to Face Consultations - Q&A, General Info, Comments - Great discount for VIP's [Re: patient2all]
M4A3 M4A3 Veteran Registered: 12/16/03 Posts: 596 Loc: Pennsylvania	Originally Posted By: patient2all Quote: Dont forget things can be uploaded and downloaded onto your PC without you even knowing it. Yeah, but keep in mind so many of us have had to fax our most personal information to perhaps a dozen now questionable sites over the years. Keep in mind as you say, things get uploaded and downloaded all the time simply through software. At least here, you know what you're dealing with and can research it more easily. Of course, nncip.com is down now so I can't recheck it, but I believe the USB device is part of something called "3 Tier Authentication" - real "bleeding edge" stuff admittedly. We're used to 2 Tier, with a password and a challenge question. In fact, I just accessed my online banking on a different machine and after the password, it asked for "my maternal grandfather's first name". At first I'm thinking "my mother's grandfather's first name??!!" - how am I supposed to know that, he died in another country in like 1860? Then I realized it was just my grandfather's first name - which I knew $;\)$ Presumably the 3 Tier is more secure. Expect to see more USB keys on software products in the future, simply to prevent pirating. I've seen hardware keys like this in use since serial ports. I don't know how the USB device figures into it exactly, but it could be hooked to a device to upload your fingerprint to make sure it's you ordering the refill, the other 2 "Tiers" appear to be a password and a challenge question. IMO, they're just looking for a way to stymie the people who have abused Telemedicine and contributed to making our lives even harder with a little Adobe Photoshop knowledge. patient2all I understand what your saying. Im sure that the Tier 3 security works better. But I have never hears in my 5 years of a member on DB that another person picked up someone else's Rx at the drug store by telling the pharmacists they were someone else. But really, the best way to protect the patient, is just have the pharmacist ask for ID when the person picks up a narcotic Rx. _________________________ A truly wise man knows his limitations.
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#638566 - 01/27/08 08:39 AM Re: Nncip.com - Face to Face Consultations - Q&A, General Info, Comments - Great discount for VIP's [Re: patient2all]
patient2all patient2all GRAND Pooh-Bah Registered: 05/16/02 Posts: 3473 Loc: usa	They're back up. They've been playing with the site all weekend. I notice the credit card payment option is gone now. Hope that's not a bad sign... patient2all _________________________ NEW threat, CP Patients We feel like outlaws, NEW laws MAKE us outlaws!
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#638569 - 01/27/08 08:45 AM Re: Nncip.com - Face to Face Consultations - Q&A, General Info, Comments - Great discount for VIP's [Re: M4A3]
patient2all patient2all GRAND Pooh-Bah Registered: 05/16/02 Posts: 3473 Loc: usa	AFAIK, They Fedex you the refills upon re-ordering/re-consulting by phone. Quote: But I have never hears in my 5 years of a member on DB that another person picked up someone else's Rx at the drug store by telling the pharmacists they were someone else. I sure have! It's almost too easy. In fact, I don't like the automated phone refills that most major chains offer now. All you need is to key in the Rx # and you can refill and pick the Rx up without the actual patient knowing. Of course, this requires sneaky friends or relatives... patient2all _________________________ NEW threat, CP Patients We feel like outlaws, NEW laws MAKE us outlaws!
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#638712 - 01/27/08 01:40 PM Re: Nncip.com - Face to Face Consultations - Q&A, General Info, Comments - Great discount for VIP's [Re: patient2all]
M4A3 M4A3 Veteran Registered: 12/16/03 Posts: 596 Loc: Pennsylvania	Originally Posted By: patient2all AFAIK, They Fedex you the refills upon re-ordering/re-consulting by phone. Quote: But I have never hears in my 5 years of a member on DB that another person picked up someone else's Rx at the drug store by telling the pharmacists they were someone else. I sure have! It's almost too easy. In fact, I don't like the automated phone refills that most major chains offer now. All you need is to key in the Rx # and you can refill and pick the Rx up without the actual patient knowing. Of course, this requires sneaky friends or relatives... patient2all No kidding. Around here all the pharmacies have started to check everyones ID when they drop off the Rx and when they pick it up. _________________________ A truly wise man knows his limitations.
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#638723 - 01/27/08 02:07 PM Re: Nncip.com - Face to Face Consultations - Q&A, General Info, Comments - Great discount for VIP's [Re: Headache]
NNCIP_Support NNCIP_Support NNCIP.com Journeyman Registered: 01/25/08 Posts: 78	Hello, Welcome to NNCIP, we appreciate that you recognize the value in seeing a doctor face to face for your pain management. We apologize for the delay but we do promise to have a dedicated NNCIP representative here replying to all of your questions. Although we do not yet have all the answers to this ever evolving transition in our industry, we will continue to keep you updated frequently. Our goal is to have services with true value available to all patients within a feasible distance and affordable price. In our quest which has just begun, we are simply trying to create a network of caring doctors who understand that opioid therapy is an obvious treatment option as one of the widely recognized multi-disciplinary alternatives for patients suffering with Chronic or Intractable Pain. Currently, we have doctors available in Virginia, Texas, California, Florida, Nevada, and Arizona. We have pending agreements with doctors in Georgia, Connecticut, Illinois, and New York. Based on our progress in the short term that we have been searching for doctors, we are anticipating fast growth of our network and we hope to be able to service patients in all states very soon. We will take time to carefully answer all of the questions below and on all other threads at this time. Thank You, Aaron - National Network for Chronic Intractable Pain Edited by NNCIP_Support (01/27/08 02:08 PM) _________________________ http://www.nncip.com
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#638736 - 01/27/08 02:33 PM Re: Nncip.com - Face to Face Consultations - Q&A, General Info, Comments - Great discount for VIP's [Re: Headache]
NNCIP_Support NNCIP_Support NNCIP.com Journeyman Registered: 01/25/08 Posts: 78	Originally Posted By: Headache I hope that they will be able to eventually add a doctor in Tennessee. I would definately use their service. Hello Headache, Tennessee is one of the states that we are aggressively searching for doctors in. We are also searching for doctors in the larger demographic states because of the higher density of patients but there are certain states who have had local regulatory restriction for prescribing and dispensing that we are devoting extra efforts in. Please let us know if you have any other questions, NNCIP/ http://www.nncip.com _________________________ http://www.nncip.com
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#638741 - 01/27/08 02:42 PM Re: Nncip.com - Face to Face Consultations - Q&A, General Info, Comments - Great discount for VIP's [Re: NNCIP_Support]
chantex chantex Veteran Registered: 04/26/07 Posts: 655	I would like to see you get a doctor in Tennessee,not far away.That would be nice.
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#638746 - 01/27/08 02:48 PM Re: Nncip.com - Face to Face Consultations - Q&A, General Info, Comments - Great discount for VIP's [Re: joebend]
NNCIP_Support NNCIP_Support NNCIP.com Journeyman Registered: 01/25/08 Posts: 78	Originally Posted By: joebend I hope a rep will be on DB to answer questions. If your state is listed and you use the F2F consult, does the prescription written come from your state? The doctor you saw in your state? Is the quarterly phone consult price the regular 109 $ per month? Can you get more than one RX written? Hello joebend, to answer your questions, all consults will take place in the same state that you reside in unless it is a "medical emergency". All prescriptions will also be sent within your state to you to be filled at the pharmacy of your choice. Yes, it will always come from the doctor that you received the consultation from face to face. Also, for your second question, if you have an additional condition or conditions that according to the doctors medical discretion warrant multiple prescriptions, yes the prescribing doctor will write for multiples if necessary. We do not charge you based on the number of presciptions as we feel would be a conflict of interest and unfair. You will be charge the same regardless of 1 or 3 prescriptions... I hope I have answered your questions - NNCIP Support _________________________ http://www.nncip.com
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#638750 - 01/27/08 02:55 PM Re: Nncip.com - Face to Face Consultations - Q&A, General Info, Comments - Great discount for VIP's [Re: darkstar77]
NNCIP_Support NNCIP_Support NNCIP.com Journeyman Registered: 01/25/08 Posts: 78	Originally Posted By: darkstar77 I'm excited to try this service. I will give it a try as soon as I've extricated myself from my current ROP. I'm awaiting my final refill and then I can finally move on. I'm curious as to how far I'll need to travel to see the doctor--hopefully not too far (I'm in VA) and also wondering if I'll need to cancel my account with my current provider once I've gotten my last refill or if I'll be OK since I will not have any consultations or prescriptions pending. Hello Darkstar77, we do cuurently have a doctor in Mclean, Virginia with appointments avaialble immediatley should you choose to move forward. Thank you for your interest, NNCIP Support Edited by NNCIP_Support (01/27/08 02:56 PM) _________________________ http://www.nncip.com
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#638774 - 01/27/08 03:27 PM Re: Nncip.com - Face to Face Consultations - Q&A, General Info, Comments - Great discount for VIP's [Re: M4A3]
NNCIP_Support NNCIP_Support NNCIP.com Journeyman Registered: 01/25/08 Posts: 78	Originally Posted By: M4A3 Originally Posted By: waitin Hup234, That's very interesting. I have never heard of such a device. This is very "avant garde". I just hope they get a doctor in my state. I dont like that at all. I hope I dont sound too "big brother" but a memory device that can both send and receive information that isnt mine or controlled by ME is something I wouldn't want to put in my PC. Dont forget things can be uploaded and downloaded onto your PC without you even knowing it. I really like what this company is doing and will give them a shot if they have doctors in PA or WV. But I think I may just tell them I dont have a computer and contact them by phone only. They can keep their memory stick out of my computer! Hello- We would like to clarify the STIC device (Secure Transaction Identification Chip) first, let me clearly state that we are “patient advocates”, anyone who is suffering from Chronic or Intractable Pain we feel has been treated unjustly by our current medical system. The purpose of the proposed device which will likely be test implemented in 9-12 months is to protect and insure the identity of the patient to the doctor through our secured HIPPA Complaint database when requesting the refills and follow up phone consultations. The device can also carry all of the patients’ medical records which were faxed to NNCIP by the patient in addition to the treatment plan and clinical follow up notes made by the NNCIP doctor. This particular device is password protected using a 3-Factor authentication process so if lost or stolen cannot be compromised. The premise in introducing the device is one of many factors we have to entertain in order to legitimize our service to the best of our ability all the while staying focused on our core service which is finding doctors who care and understand the benefits of opioid therapy. Thanks, NNCIP Support Edited by NNCIP_Support (01/27/08 03:56 PM) _________________________ http://www.nncip.com
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#638780 - 01/27/08 03:43 PM Re: Nncip.com - Face to Face Consultations - Q&A, General Info, Comments - Great discount for VIP's [Re: patient2all]
NNCIP_Support NNCIP_Support NNCIP.com Journeyman Registered: 01/25/08 Posts: 78	Originally Posted By: patient2all They're back up. They've been playing with the site all weekend. I notice the credit card payment option is gone now. Hope that's not a bad sign... patient2all Hello - we are moving the credit card section to the patients individual backend so that it can entered there. We didn't want patients thinking there credit card would be charged right away. We actually do not charge until the appointment is confirmed by the doctor and on the day of the appointment. Also, if you get a chance, check out the map matrix we have added for patients to see how our doctors search is going. http://www.nncip.com/closest_doctors.php _________________________ http://www.nncip.com
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#638801 - 01/27/08 04:42 PM Re: Nncip.com - Face to Face Consultations - Q&A, General Info, Comments - Great discount for VIP's [Re: NNCIP_Support]
ohsoannoyed ohsoannoyed Member Registered: 04/02/07 Posts: 198 Loc: lala land	So, if I understand correctly, basically you are paying for a consult 1x per year. Then for $109 they send you the script and you fill it. Even w/o insurance maybe $50. At first it diidn't sound so good to me but then I did the math. It is cheaper since you are npt paing every 2months for a consult. I'd be willing to try it if they were in my state or close to it.
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#638804 - 01/27/08 04:46 PM Re: Nncip.com - Face to Face Consultations - Q&A, General Info, Comments - Great discount for VIP's [Re: ohsoannoyed]
melton melton Enthusiast Registered: 05/21/07 Posts: 292	It would be worth it just to be confident that you are not going to suffer every month, and secure that you will know when your relief will arrive. Unfortunately, that is a luxury I have been without for a while.
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#638876 - 01/27/08 07:18 PM Re: Nncip.com - Face to Face Consultations - Q&A, General Info, Comments - Great discount for VIP's [Re: NNCIP_Support]
patient2all patient2all GRAND Pooh-Bah Registered: 05/16/02 Posts: 3473 Loc: usa	Hi NNCIP, A couple of questions: Some portions of the site note this service is for the "uninsured". Is that a requirement? Many of us, despite the best of insurance still get little in the way of remedy for Chronic Pain conditions. I'd hope those with some degree of insurance could still use the service, even though we're paying cash. It's far from unprecedented for insurance companies to deny many pain management options as it stands. As noted, even the best insured are used to paying cash for medical treatment if we so choose. ------ Also, depsite your best efforts, it's still not entirely clear what the difference is between Consultation Plans 1 & 2 (BTW, both are referred to as "Consultation Plan 1" in some spot on the site, I noticed). Consultation Plan – 1: $109 Per Month following your first in office visit of $299 and your treatment plan is sent to you. - I take this to mean that I can bring a prescription Fedexed to me to a pharmacy of my choosing and fill it there. Am I correct? Consultation Plan – 2: $124 Per Month following your first in office visit of $299, your treatment plan is sent to you and setup for automatic dispensing. - I'm taking this to mean the actual medication prescribed will be delivered via Fedex from a contracted pharmacy that you work with. While option 2 certainly seems attractive, the difference in price, which seems to include the medication cost the way I read it, are "Costco" prices. Unheard of in the "tradtional" OCS world! This leads to my next questions: A) Would all your contracted pharmacies be fairly local to the prescribing Doctor? In other words, not in that Lakeland, FL cluster that gets so much DEA attention. B) Unless you arrange a truly binding exclusivity arrangement with the contracting pharmacies, we've seen all too often how several "traditional" OCS's manage to wrangle an agreement with any pharmacy filling for a web based site and offer irresistable "bonuses" to take their fulfillment on too. This of course leads to the ultimate demise of the pharmacy. While NNCIP satisfies the obvious DEA and pharmacist need that the patient has seen the Doctor, one can't help but wonder if following the tempting opportunity of Consultation Plan 2 may lead to the delays and disappointments we've seen all too often in the traditional OCS world for the reasons noted above. I'm in full recognition that you're breaking free of that non-viable "telephonic consult" only issue, but one can't help but fear the temptation of contracted pharmacists to "see gold in them thar hills" and take on less scrupulous operations that could lead to the all too common "we lost our pharmacy". ---- Otherwise, assuming I'm interpreting the distinction between the plans correctly, I see little difference unless I extrapolate. Am I missing something? Thanks for any info! patient2all _________________________ NEW threat, CP Patients We feel like outlaws, NEW laws MAKE us outlaws!
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