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#634723 - 01/21/08 09:42 AM Defend your rights as Chronic Pain Patients/ Madison Pain Clinic ****
mpc_jon Offline
Madisonpainclinic.com
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Registered: 04/24/07
Posts: 90
PRESERVE THE
RIGHTS OF PAIN PATIENTS TO BE PROPERLY MEDICATED

AN APPEAL TO MADISON PAIN CLINIC PATIENTS

Dear Madison Patients,


As you know, Madison Pain Clinic has provided patients suffering from intractable pain with the opportunity to be humanely treated by doctors sympathetic to the needs of moderate to severe pain patients. Now Madison Pain Clinic needs your help.

On November 13th, 2007 the DEA closed down Madison Pain Clinic and seized assets of its doctors and principals, making it impossible to continue the business and difficult to legally defend the government's allegations. After taking this action, the government refused to provide counsel for Madison or its principals with any substantive legal reason for its action. Based on its past conduct we are fearful that the government has arbitrarily concluded the care and therapy provided by Madison is simply illegal. . . . that the DEA has determined for whatever reason that it does not comply with specific laws and requirements for the treatment of patients. We of course disagree.

As a result, you, as a pain patient, have been forced to either withdraw from pain therapy through Madison or have sought therapy from an alternative source, a source which, we suspect, will not require the thorough procedures, such as a Chem 28 blood test, that help your doctor to monitor your ability to safely be medicated, and which probably will not offer the type of custom compounded products that have always been offered by Madison.

You may be asking yourself, "What can I do to help Madison Pain Clinic defend itself and its principals from this unfair government action?"

1. If you believe that Madison was helpful in making your quality of life better, you can send an email, or a brief (less than two page) letter detailing your experience with Madison, including how it came about, what the nature of your injury was, and how your pain was alleviated. Send your email to: madisondefense@gmail.com.

2. Because the government took action without warning and seized assets of Madison, its doctors and principals, you can contribute funds to fight this injustice. If each of our patients could make even a small to moderate contribution to our legal defense fund, we might be able to handle this fight. One contributor has already sent us $2,500 and another $7,500. Even if your budget is limited, please help with what you can give. Whatever you can spare is greatly appreciated. Moreover, if it would be easier for you to make a weekly or monthly donation your generosity would be appreciated. If you believe in our cause and have the financial means, a larger contribution would be appreciated. But remember, a small to moderate amount would be just as helpful if everyone we have helped collectively helps us.

If you agree with the mission of Madison, as well as the views of government officials such as Congressman Ron Paul, please make your contribution to the legal defense of Madison and its principals by making a check payable to our attorneys, "Thompson Hine, LLP, for the benefit of Madison Pain Clinic," at the address below, to help fund the cost of defending Madison.

Send all contributions to:



Thompson-Hine, LLP
335 Madison Ave, 12th Floor
New York, NY 10017
C/O Attorney Douglas Grover, Madison Defense Fund

Thank you in advance for your help

Very truly yours,


Madison Pain Clinic

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#634732 - 01/21/08 09:55 AM Re: Defend your rights as Chronic Pain Patients/ Madison Pain Clinic [Re: mpc_jon]
barbara3d Offline
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Registered: 01/01/07
Posts: 138
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Wow, so great to hear from you Jon!

First of all thanks to you all for helping me to continue to work and enjoy life due to bone on bone knees , spondylotheses of lumbar, chonromalcia of patellas bilateral \:\) Advil should take care of it right???

I am glad to hear that you are fighting this. I fear everyone in this arena is "painted with the same brush" and there is soooo much prejudice in pain control.

I will send an email but most of us can barely afford medications much less legal fees and I am sure these power hungry thugs in the DEA knew when this happened, it would be the end...public opinion is NOT on our side. We are all druggies. In my profession as a nurse, I was humiliated when I went to the ER and waited for 5 hours to be give ONE lortab and sent home with a referral to Pain Managment. That was a w/end so you can forget help even for a few days now. I am NOT a smoker, but look at what we are doing to them. They are treated like Lepers!!! Some companies won't hire you now and others won't let you smoke outside ...NO FREEDOM outside even ?!

We are on a slippery slope here. I wish you the and Dr. H. the best and will pray for better treatment for patients who have the medical records to prove they have chronic pain.

Keep us Posted!!! Have you gotten any replies??? Can you start a new company???

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#634736 - 01/21/08 10:00 AM Re: Defend your rights as Chronic Pain Patients/ Madison Pain Clinic [Re: barbara3d]
mpc_jon Offline
Madisonpainclinic.com
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Registered: 04/24/07
Posts: 90
I am simply a messenger, and unfortunately I cannot really divulge any information because it is a legal investigation at this point.
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#634756 - 01/21/08 10:32 AM Re: Defend your rights as Chronic Pain Patients/ Madison Pain Clinic [Re: mpc_jon]
1932CM Offline
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Registered: 12/26/01
Posts: 55
I was never a patient of yours but I will send a donation on principal. I believe that we have to do whatever we can to fight for our right to have our pain properly treated, no matter who we are, where we live, how much money we make or what condition causes that pain. I just don't understand how the government can get away with this war on pain management doctors. Unfortunately the only side the public hears is the government's side. Anyway, I'll get off my soapbox but I just wanted to let you know that you have my support.
CM

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#634768 - 01/21/08 10:44 AM Re: Defend your rights as Chronic Pain Patients/ Madison Pain Clinic [Re: 1932CM]
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I also was never a Patient!....I will be Sending a Donation .....Maybe some other OCS's can help the cause...The outcome of this case will affect them also!

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#634790 - 01/21/08 11:04 AM Re: Defend your rights as Chronic Pain Patients/ Madison Pain Clinic [Re: 1932CM]
Calvinsmom Offline
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I was never a patient, but will send what I can. I am an accountant for several nonprofits and seemingly small donations $10, $15 or even $25 will add up to big dollars if enough people contribute.
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#634796 - 01/21/08 11:13 AM Re: Defend your rights as Chronic Pain Patients/ Madison Pain Clinic [Re: Calvinsmom]
mpc_jon Offline
Madisonpainclinic.com
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Posts: 90
Thank you all very much, as calvinsmom said collectively even small donations add up. Together we can defend the rights of chronic pain patients!
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#634824 - 01/21/08 11:48 AM Re: Defend your rights as Chronic Pain Patients/ Madison Pain Clinic [Re: mpc_jon]
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I will donate what I can as well. This is a very important issue to all of us as CP patients even if we had not used your service. We have to ban together and fight at all levels and certainly do everything we can to support one another. I hope you can send one of your reps to the pain march if held this year in washington as well to speak and certainly any of your patients would be welcomed to speak and is what most CP docs, clinics and such have speaking out their stories of what it meant as far as their quality of life versus many no life. I would love to see you there and any former MP patients! I wish you all the best and have my support to the fullest.
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#634857 - 01/21/08 12:31 PM Re: Defend your rights as Chronic Pain Patients/ Madison Pain Clinic [Re: rkjones]
shmoopy Offline
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I can't donate, but I support people in pain, their right to as normal a life as possible.
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#634861 - 01/21/08 12:35 PM Re: Defend your rights as Chronic Pain Patients/ Madison Pain Clinic [Re: mpc_jon]
53chevy Offline
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Posts: 192
good to hear from you jon, iwas a patient at madison, almost from the beginning, i really felt lucky to have found your services when i did as it helped me continue to be a productive member of society. you and dr. h and all the staff are sorely missed. i will absolutly send an e-amil in your defense.
for all those ex-mpc patients out , and i know there are many , now is the time to rise above and send whatever donation we can to help these fine people defend themselves. the dea should not be able to impact so many peoples lifes without due course of law. siezeing all their assests is the governments way of making sure they go away without a fight . mpc helped all of us , now is the time to return the favor.
if were really here for chronic pain control , then prove it , let's all send them what we can and write those e-mails.
god bless all at madison !!!!!!!


Edited by 53chevy (01/21/08 12:38 PM)

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#634942 - 01/21/08 02:05 PM Re: Defend your rights as Chronic Pain Patients/ Madison Pain Clinic [Re: 53chevy]
mpc_jon Offline
Madisonpainclinic.com
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I was informed I could set up a website to allow donations through paypal which may be easier and more convienent for people, so I am going to see If I can get one going. I was not the IT tech for Madison so my skills are very limited but I will see what I can do \:\)
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#635003 - 01/21/08 03:06 PM Re: Defend your rights as Chronic Pain Patients/ Madison Pain Clinic [Re: mpc_jon]
boltin1 Offline
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 Originally Posted By: mpc_jon
PRESERVE THE
RIGHTS OF PAIN PATIENTS TO BE PROPERLY MEDICATED

AN APPEAL TO MADISON PAIN CLINIC PATIENTS

Dear Madison Patients,


On November 13th, 2007 the DEA closed down Madison Pain Clinic and seized assets of its doctors and principals, making it impossible to continue the business and difficult to legally defend the government's allegations. After taking this action, the government refused to provide counsel for Madison or its principals with any substantive legal reason for its action. Based on its past conduct we are fearful that the government has arbitrarily concluded the care and therapy provided by Madison is simply illegal. . . . that the DEA has determined for whatever reason that it does not comply with specific laws and requirements for the treatment of patients. We of course disagree.



Question, if it can be answered. The local CBS affiliate that put together the news case about this mentioned that there was a "sealed" indictment, is it because of this, that you yourselves don't know exactly why they shut MPC down??? I would think that indictment would be available at least to those representing you legally. Just curious, but it's great and amazing to hear from MPC.

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#635009 - 01/21/08 03:12 PM Re: Defend your rights as Chronic Pain Patients/ Madison Pain Clinic [Re: mpc_jon]
ross78240 Offline
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Registered: 02/26/07
Posts: 272
Madison has my support!
I am very angry about what happened to Madison and am glad to be given an opportunity to help.
Thank You Jon for posting!
Ross

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#635045 - 01/21/08 03:37 PM Re: Defend your rights as Chronic Pain Patients/ Madison Pain Clinic [Re: ross78240]
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will people who make donations be issued receipts for taxes, or something to assure them that their donations are going to the the cause it is meant for?

I know I will get pounced on, but it bothers me when people solicit for donations on the board. has this been pre-approved by admin?

an unauthorized or insincere solicitor could personally get rich from a 'donation' operation like this.

sending supporting emails is a good idea, but sending money? even when he is 'prevented from indulging any info'? hmmmm.....careful.

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#635062 - 01/21/08 03:54 PM Re: Defend your rights as Chronic Pain Patients/ Madison Pain Clinic [Re: scruf]
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You are 100% correct Scruf. I also am curious if the ones who choose to donate will get a receipt issued.

I know MPC had to make tons of money when in business, so was all that taken away? Just curious.

I was a MPC patient and will be sending an email....

Very good to hear from you Jon.
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#635065 - 01/21/08 03:57 PM Re: Defend your rights as Chronic Pain Patients/ Madison Pain Clinic [Re: scruf]
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Your right, scruf,
Did they make money when in business? I guess more than I will see in a life time. I feel sorry for them, but again if YOU didn,t have the monies to pay for there services You would have to suffer. Ben is the only person that I read about that gave something out for free.
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#635069 - 01/21/08 04:02 PM Re: Defend your rights as Chronic Pain Patients/ Madison Pain Clinic [Re: scruf]
boltin1 Offline
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 Originally Posted By: scruf
will people who make donations be issued receipts for taxes, or something to assure them that their donations are going to the the cause it is meant for?

I know I will get pounced on, but it bothers me when people solicit for donations on the board. has this been pre-approved by admin?

an unauthorized or insincere solicitor could personally get rich from a 'donation' operation like this.

sending supporting emails is a good idea, but sending money? even when he is 'prevented from indulging any info'? hmmmm.....careful.



I "re-watched" that CBS local affiliate newscast that was aired the day that MPC was shut down, and Jon was actually on camera. I do believe CBS when the newscaster said that it was part of a sealed indictment and that even the news media could *NOT* get any more information. The government also uses this tatic, of a "sealed" indictment when they want as little as possible information to get out about why they are doing what they're doing until the legal process pretty much forces the issue out into public hands. I know that before a trial can start, what they're being accused of, will have to become public.

Scruf does ask a couple of concerned and good questions, but I can attest that it's true, in all types of "on-going" legal investigations, that the named parties are *NOT* supposed to talk about it, and are actually legally bound *NOT* to talk about it, I mean, I know not everyone knows as much as the other person about our legal system, but I know enough from internet research and watching tv that if there is an investigation that is considered, "on-going", the parties involved are legally bound *NOT* to speak about it until such time as the court allows it. So I don't doubt Jon's sincerity.

I dont' know if admin needs to okay if Jon can ask or soliciate for money; not sure about the Rules on that one. I'm sure he'll weigh in. I'm all for these efforts and they need to be supported. Someone said that the outcome of this can and probably will affect (if fought), perhaps a landmark case that will cuase either a positive or negative effect on this industry as a whole.


Edited by boltin1 (01/21/08 04:11 PM)
Edit Reason: spelling

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#635075 - 01/21/08 04:09 PM Re: Defend your rights as Chronic Pain Patients/ Madison Pain Clinic [Re: mentoramy05]
boltin1 Offline
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 Originally Posted By: mentoramy05
You are 100% correct Scruf. I also am curious if the ones who choose to donate will get a receipt issued.

I know MPC had to make tons of money when in business, so was all that taken away? Just curious.

I was a MPC patient and will be sending an email....

Very good to hear from you Jon.


Yes, Jon did say that all of the companies assets, which would include monies that the company and doctor held in probably all of their bank accounts were siezed/frozen. That's how the DEA does it. They do, as the law usually gets a judges order to freeze the assests and more specifically, the money a company has made, especially if the law is/will be claiming that the money came to them through means that they consider illegal. This makes a company totally vunerable and without any financial recourse because all of their "tons" of money are seized/frozen. That is common. They don't have access to it.

The Dr. Ibanez indictment (although not connected here), speaks to all of his assets and all monies and property were seized at the time the indictment was filed and his arrest warrant was issued. SO again, that is common place; to make it impossible for someone to even use their own money to fight something. They would have to prove, if they even had an account, somewhere, with money in it that the government didn't find out about, that the deposits in that account didn't come from earnings from the business - and belive me, the government can find ALL of your bank accounts, even if over seas and across the world. Banks in other countries will also go along with the US's request to freeze/seize those accounts, because if they don't, then they'll get threatened w/the US saying that we won't allow you to do business w/any US company. Which is part of how sanctions work when the US slaps "money" based sanctions against banks in the "terrorism" countries that try to do business with US companies; monies and business transactions that connect with US companies are frozen/cut-off. These sanctions have been part of the how the US has penalized Iran for a long time now. Seems somewhat unfair, but again, common place.


Edited by boltin1 (01/21/08 04:15 PM)
Edit Reason: spelling

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#635128 - 01/21/08 05:04 PM Re: Defend your rights as Chronic Pain Patients/ Madison Pain Clinic [Re: dawn147]
patient2all Offline

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 Quote:
Did they make money when in business? I guess more than I will see in a life time. I feel sorry for them, but again if YOU didn,t have the monies to pay for there services You would have to suffer. Ben is the only person that I read about that gave something out for free.


Ben has also spoke of the importance of "offshore accounts and asset protection" when in this business.

Perhaps Madison didn't avail themselves of these "options"

Also, in a typical government move to cripple an adequate defense, should the defendent's grandma pull everyting out her IRA to help, she'll need to prove beyond a doubt that somehow this money didn't emanate from "ill gotten gains".

patient2all
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#635163 - 01/21/08 05:34 PM Re: Defend your rights as Chronic Pain Patients/ Madison Pain Clinic [Re: patient2all]
boltin1 Offline
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 Originally Posted By: patient2all
 Quote:
Did they make money when in business? I guess more than I will see in a life time. I feel sorry for them, but again if YOU didn,t have the monies to pay for there services You would have to suffer. Ben is the only person that I read about that gave something out for free.


Ben has also spoke of the importance of "offshore accounts and asset protection" when in this business.

Perhaps Madison didn't avail themselves of these "options"

Also, in a typical government move to cripple an adequate defense, should the defendent's grandma pull everyting out her IRA to help, she'll need to prove beyond a doubt that somehow this money didn't emanate from "ill gotten gains".

patient2all


Very True as well.

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#635220 - 01/21/08 06:11 PM Re: Defend your rights as Chronic Pain Patients/ Madison Pain Clinic [Re: boltin1]
scruf Offline
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how can they strip them of all their assets and then deny them a court appointed attorney? talk about helpless!

I still do not we should send money. jon is talking about madison right now, even by saying he was warned not to.

we don't know this poster personally. how do we know he is part of the indictment at all? how do we know where our money is really going?

sorry, but it could be that a this board rep/employee is cleverly exploiting the situation and the pain sufferers to pad his own pockets.

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#635226 - 01/21/08 06:15 PM Re: Defend your rights as Chronic Pain Patients/ Madison Pain Clinic [Re: scruf]
mpc_jon Offline
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I have read all of your posts, and I will be contacting the legal representatives to see what all I can answer and should have a post to answer the majority of the questions tomorrow.
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#635254 - 01/21/08 06:32 PM Re: Defend your rights as Chronic Pain Patients/ Madison Pain Clinic [Re: scruf]
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how can they strip them of all their assets and then deny them a court appointed attorney? talk about helpless!


Well to qualify for a court appointed attorney, you must be absolutely destitute. Even families of quite modest means have to go into deep debt to defend a family member of even minor charges.

The prinipals in the case would pretty much have to move in with a sibling and take the bus back and forth to court to qualify for a court appointed attorney.

Also, if the government really wants to win, they'll pick that alcholic public defender from the pool to handle this case with rather complicated issues without precedent.

I just read of a guy released from jail after serving 21 years for a murder he didn't and couldn't have possibly committed. It was his court appointed attorney's first murder trial....

patient2all
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#635316 - 01/21/08 08:02 PM Re: Defend your rights as Chronic Pain Patients/ Madison Pain Clinic [Re: scruf]
boltin1 Offline
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 Originally Posted By: scruf
how can they strip them of all their assets and then deny them a court appointed attorney? talk about helpless!

I still do not we should send money. jon is talking about madison right now, even by saying he was warned not to.

we don't know this poster personally. how do we know he is part of the indictment at all? how do we know where our money is really going?

sorry, but it could be that a this board rep/employee is cleverly exploiting the situation and the pain sufferers to pad his own pockets.



I'm the last person to go as for as to say that you can't even trust jon here with a clearly thought out e-mail about MPC that everyone has been waiting for; and I'll agree that you have a point and to be critical of Jon just taking all the money; but he has been the rep on the board the whole time for MPC, and even until you are convinced that the "fund" is legitimate, don't you even support the cause or idea???

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#635324 - 01/21/08 08:12 PM Re: Defend your rights as Chronic Pain Patients/ Madison Pain Clinic [Re: boltin1]
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I am sending a donation!
Sorry - I know Jon and believe every word.

A couple questrions if you can answer after consulting - Can local people (Dallas) get refills or service?
Did DR. H lose his licence? If not, why are our refills not valid?
Is is possible you will reopen under a different business model? (IMO) you did nothing wrong the first time!
I know we all have so many questions - please fill us in as you can.
When will all of this come to trial? Or will it?
How is the process going?
Thank you so much for posting - I'm sure you have moved on by now and it's great to see your loyalty!

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#635379 - 01/21/08 09:28 PM Re: Defend your rights as Chronic Pain Patients/ Madison Pain Clinic [Re: joebend]
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This at least shows Madison is trying to get ready for a fight. Jon, how about the Hamilton agency investors that funded and profited from Madison? I received an email about all the money I could make if I sunk investment dollars into Hamilton
so they could start a second company of some sort. This email
arrived right before the DEA raid.
My check is on the way. It is a worthwh