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#595871 - 11/09/07 09:09 AM Tips to spot patients who abuse prescription drugs
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The following are some tips on how to spot patients who abuse prescription drugs from The American College of Physicians. The tips are for physicians...

http://www.acponline.org/journals/news/apr02/drug_abuse.htm

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Tips to spot patients who abuse prescription drugs

From the April ACP-ASIM Observer, copyright © 2002 by the American College of Physicians-American Society of Internal Medicine.

By Jason van Steenburgh

Related resources:
# 10 questions to identify drug-seeking patients
# Identification and management of the drug-seeking patient
# Drug seeking patients: Avoid getting caught in their traps
# Don't be scammed by a drug abuser
# Preventing and detecting prescription drug abuse

When a Florida court earlier this year sentenced a physician to 30 years in prison for illegally prescribing the drug OxyContin to hundreds of patients, it sent a chill through the medical community.

The doctor had written more prescriptions for the powerful painkiller than anyone else in the state. Four of his patients died after overdosing on the drug.

While that physician was clearly an outlier—prosecutors described him as a common drug dealer—his crime and punishment may be a warning of sorts to doctors everywhere. Across the country, the furor over OxyContin is driving new legal precedents that are forcing doctors to take more responsibility for their prescribing practices.

If you think you're safe because you tread carefully when prescribing commonly abused drugs, think again. H. Westley Clark, MD, director of the Center for Substance Abuse Treatment, said that all too often, physicians fall prey to drug-seeking patients because they don't know the signs. And the patients may not be looking for the drugs you think. The center, which is part of the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, seeks to expand the availability of effective treatment and recovery services for individuals with alcohol and drug problems.

In a recent interview, Dr. Clark gave some pointers about how to spot drug-seeking patients—and how to avoid becoming entangled with them.

ACP-ASIM Observer: How do physicians need to change their thinking about drug abuse?

Dr. Clark: Physicians should remember that any drug can be abused, and that physicians who facilitate that abuse could face extreme consequences. Instead of letting the Controlled Substances Act schedules dictate which drugs you should worry about, physicians should focus on patient behaviors that indicate a problem.

With psychoactive drugs, you're always dealing with the risk of misuse or abuse. These substances require medical licenses because they are deemed too powerful for over-the-counter consumption. Practitioners in busy offices tend to forget that.

On the other hand, becoming preoccupied with the prospect of being snookered by someone with ulterior motives can paralyze us. We should err on the side of the patient, but at some point we should begin asking questions.

Q: What trouble signs should physicians look for?

A: Always ask first, Why am I seeing this patient? Be wary of those who've been in the community a while who see you for the first time and say, "Give me drug X," which is a scheduled drug, as opposed to, "I've got this problem."

Specific questions can often help uncover inappropriate behavior. Ask what happened to their old doctor, and whether they have changed health plans. (For more questions, see "10 questions to identify drug-seeking patients".)

Q: When should doctors re-evaluate treatment?

A: You should not give patients scheduled drugs in perpetuity. At some point, you should stop and re-assess. Ask yourself, When does the legitimate therapeutic purpose expire? Consider how often the patient presents. Be suspicious of a departure from normal behavior in these situations.

Q: Are too many physicians prescribing out of their realm of expertise?

A: The burden on primary practitioners is substantial. Our code is, "First, do no harm." As a result, doctors have to ask themselves some simple questions, such as: Why am I writing endless prescriptions for Ritalin? How many patients with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder do I see? If I see only a few, then I'm probably not the appropriate person to be prescribing this drug.

Q: What are some common scams?

A: Most scammers try to get the doctor to write a prescription or gain access to a prescription pad so they can write a script themselves.

Patients will sometimes say they're from out of state and the pharmacy won't fill their prescription. They try to evoke the practitioner's compassion to continue the medication.

Other times, a patient you've never seen before will present with a prescription, ask you to refill it and promise to schedule an appointment next week. If you fill that prescription, you've been had.

Some patients will misrepresent their medical condition to induce you to write a prescription. Others will use the old standby excuses: "I lost my prescription," or "I didn't have enough money to fill the prescription and it expired."

Drug abuse is a developing phenomenon. It starts with patients losing prescriptions, not being able to track the amount of prescriptions or claiming that the doctor wrote the wrong prescription.

A concatenation of events often indicates abuse rather than serendipity or accident. A single transaction by itself does not mean abuse. But if your record shows repeated violations, you are not only denying what's going on, but also making yourself vulnerable to DEA or even patient litigation.

Q: What should physicians do if they suspect abuse?

A: If you have been prescribing benzodiazepines, for example, and you suspect the patient is behaving oddly, the first step is accepting responsibility for what you've done.

Remember that it's not just a matter of losing your medical license for a diversion. Many patients sue physicians for misprescribing when they become addicts.

Patients can sue you for contributing to their addiction because you failed to pick up on obvious behavior. That's why at some point, you need a follow-up evaluation, if only to protect yourself. You should consult or refer to addiction specialists or psychiatrists who have addiction expertise.

Q: When you refer patients to addiction specialists, are there subtle ways to address addiction without blatantly calling them addicts?

A: You don't have to be terribly subtle. There are many things you can say.

Tell the patient that because their medication use is escalating, you need a re-evaluation to calculate the appropriate dose and determine if you need to change medications.

You could also say something like, "Your care is becoming more complicated than we first realized. I need to know that these meds are not harming you."

If you feel a need to refer a patient to someone else, tell her that her progress with the current therapy is not sufficient, so you want another practitioner to evaluate her case.

You could also explain that you want the patient to see the other physician because you are dealing with a biobehavioral phenomenon. Explain that when anxiety and pain enter the equation, the problem isn't strictly biological or psychological—it's a combination of the two.

Finally, you can explain that you want to refer the patient to an addiction psychiatrist who can explore both the medical conditions and the medication. Tell the patient that second opinions are helpful because sometimes conditions change and you are not a specialist.

Remember that practitioners get sued all the time for failing to discern subtle changes in patients' conditions. In these kinds of complex situations, you should routinely get a second opinion.



From there you can follow the links to

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10 questions to identify drug-seeking patients

Copyright © 2002 by the American College of Physicians-American Society of Internal Medicine.

If you think a patient may be inappropriately asking you for drugs, consider the following questions:

* How often does this patient present?
* Has the patient told you that he has moved, but doesn't want you to talk to his previous doctor?
* Is the patient paying with cash?
* Does the person have a last known address?
* Have you had trouble contacting the patient between visits?
* Are your prescription pads disappearing?
* Does the patient say that only a particular drug will work, or that no other drug he has tried has worked?
* Does the patient refuse to go to one primary care physician?
* Does the patient frequently report losing medications?
* Does the patient demand drugs with high street value?
* Does the patient have prescriptions from multiple doctors or have prescriptions filled at multiple pharmacies?
* Is the patient cooperating with the full treatment plan—physical therapy, alternative medicines, etc.?


There are many other links with tips on how physicians can spot trouple, how physician can protect themselves, and how to deal with patients that can cause them trouble.

Legitimate patients need to be aware of what is going on as not to be placed in hte wrong category and end up being denyed treatment for all the wrong reasons... not to mention the expense of going from specialist to specialist that may only be trying to get rid of you...
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#596055 - 11/09/07 03:43 PM Re: Tips to spot patients who abuse prescription drugs [Re: Administrator]
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A lady doctor I used to know carries her prescription pad in a belt-bag on her person, and this was in one of the most violent and drug-ruled places in the country. But I could just not imagine anyone taking her on!
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#639164 - 01/28/08 08:18 AM Re: Tips to spot patients who abuse prescription drugs [Re: ]
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I wish the world didn't make such a big deal about medications. I can understand some oversight, but the schedule is a little bit strict. In the US we should have access to a lot more OTC meds then we do, low dose codeine products. Low dose benzos and things of that nature.
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#641389 - 01/31/08 11:35 AM Re: Tips to spot patients who abuse prescription drugs [Re: ]
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In the medical field we are trained in the theory that the patient's pain is "subjective" and that their pain IS what they say it is and it is to be treated... However, that is how we are told to treat pain patients, not how they are treated. Most in the medical profesion talk badly about chronic pain patients in that they are all addicts looking for more pain meds. I know, as I am in the medical field and a chronic pain patient. It really just sucks and there is not much hope out there.
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#641678 - 01/31/08 04:59 PM Re: Tips to spot patients who abuse prescription drugs [Re: PrivateRealm]
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Yesterday i went to my Pm Dr..I have been going there for awhile, but actually i have been seeing his understudy, this is the second time i had actually seen him, once again he brought up surgery and once again i reminded him i had no insurance, i have ddd, stenosis, nueropathy, fibro, arthur in my back, god i wish he would find somewhere else to live, among other problems, do you know what he told me, theres nothing i can do for you you will just have to live with it, the only thing he gives me is Ultram. I felt like i was kicked in the stomach. I have a family, a job, and trying to take care of my mom with dementia. The pain is getting unbearable and my life feels like its going down the drain. What kind of Dr just tells you theres nothing i can do for you and just tell you to live with it?
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#641713 - 01/31/08 05:58 PM Re: Tips to spot patients who abuse prescription drugs [Re: brooks1304]
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Brooks-- you need to seriously consider finding another doctor.
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#641808 - 01/31/08 08:18 PM Re: Tips to spot patients who abuse prescription drugs [Re: 1219wendy]
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What a coincidence - I just had my doc tell me the very same thing.
"Well, this is a life long condition....so you need to find how to live with it."
I explained to him that I HAVE NO life now!
Thanks doc!

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#641809 - 01/31/08 08:19 PM Re: Tips to spot patients who abuse prescription drugs [Re: ]
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Uh--no we aren't.
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#641811 - 01/31/08 08:26 PM Re: Tips to spot patients who abuse prescription drugs [Re: brooks1304]
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Find another doctor. There are good ones out there don't give up. Just start looking for a good doctor and keep in mind that this is only temporary. That will make it easier to get through.
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#641825 - 01/31/08 08:44 PM Re: Tips to spot patients who abuse prescription drugs [Re: chemsynth]
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I really don't understand why a patient who pays with cash would be a suspected drug abuser.

Anyone else know why this is on the list?

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#641843 - 01/31/08 09:17 PM Re: Tips to spot patients who abuse prescription drugs [Re: hanah]
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I can see a doc's point when the patient needs surgery and refuses to have it. it would be irresponsible for the doc to just keep prescribing pain narcotics when a condition needs to be treated surgically.
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#641855 - 01/31/08 09:30 PM Re: Tips to spot patients who abuse prescription drugs [Re: scruf]
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What a coincidence - I just had my doc tell me the very same thing.
"Well, this is a life long condition....so you need to find how to live with it."

Next time , bring a bat- give the Doc a condition to live with
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#642006 - 02/01/08 07:53 AM Re: Tips to spot patients who abuse prescription drugs [Re: Pecosbill]
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 Originally Posted By: Pecosbill
What a coincidence - I just had my doc tell me the very same thing.
"Well, this is a life long condition....so you need to find how to live with it."

Next time , bring a bat- give the Doc a condition to live with
wow what a concept, visually its funny
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#642016 - 02/01/08 08:11 AM Re: Tips to spot patients who abuse prescription drugs [Re: dawn147]
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Oh my god, whatever next?. People in chronic pain scoring heroin form street dealers because their doctor wont prescribe pain relief. What a crazy situation
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#642138 - 02/01/08 11:12 AM Re: Tips to spot patients who abuse prescription drugs [Re: chemsynth]
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Uh--no we aren't.


HUH? What are'nt you chem?

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#642194 - 02/01/08 01:00 PM Re: Tips to spot patients who abuse prescription drugs [Re: Jamo]
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we physicians are not "basically mentally trained to think all patients are drug seekers" as the poster insinuated. in fact, many of us are trained quite differently. some of us ensure adequate training is given to our trainees in management of acute exacerbations of chronic pain.

blanket statements like that get my dander up, just like the poster on another thread who was wondering about DBers got a number of people here upset.

i mean, really.

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#642605 - 02/02/08 08:21 AM Re: Tips to spot patients who abuse prescription drugs [Re: chemsynth]
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My cousin was able to find a doctor to treat her about 2 years ago, for her chronic pain. Prior to that, she was thinking about going the OP route. She had been seeing the same doctor for years, and he refused to provide her w/ medication.

Finally, a rhuematologist saw her and tests were done. When her doctor realized how bad off she was, he immediately started her on a pain plan. Her doseages have gone way up (mostly due to tolerance, I think) since then. The meds she is prescribed are similar to those that cancer patients take. As a result, her doctor has to defend the meds he gives her every month when the case management health team goes over the chronic pain patients. He told her that her name comes up repeatedly because she is so young and of course because of the meds.

Recently, she had to sign a pain contract. What that means, is that any time the pharmacy calls her, she has to go there as soon as she can w/ her meds. They will then count them. This is how they keep track of people who are selling. The pharmacist told her that her name is chosen randomly and that it will most likely come up again. I think it's a huge invasion of privacy. She goes to a gov't health facility though, so it isn't surprising. People should consider that when they think about "universal" or gov't healthcare for everyone. Very scary.

The point of the story is, that there are some physicians who are willing to treat you. It is just getting more and more difficult to find them. Her physician openly told her how much heat he got from colleagues at the health facility for the way he chose to treat her pain. Essentially, he put himself on the line to give her a pain-free life. He even told her that she needs to think about the future, when he leaves the health facility. He told her that not all doctors will treat her like he has been.
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#646574 - 02/09/08 06:52 AM Re: Tips to spot patients who abuse prescription drugs [Re: chemsynth]
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I have to agree with Ed on this one. I had to goto the ER yesterday. Wednesday while at PT i did something to my back on the exercise bike. The therapist tried her best to stretch and make the pain go away. No Luck. Anyways i lived with it for 2 days and finally my wife made me goto the er.The opana and roxicodone just werent doing anything for this pain.

Anyways, long story short , they wanted to admit me. I said ok so your going to give me IV dilaudid for a couple of days, then what. I cant take IV dilaudid at home and oral dilaudid doesnt work. So the ER doctor wrote me a script for Fentanyl patches 100mcg. And wrote me for a box of 600mcg of Actiq. I have to follow up with the PM doctor this week.

The doctor I saw in the hospital treated me with respect and dignity. I presented my case and history and he worked with me to come up with a solid pain management plan until i could see my pain doctor this week.


While I have been to the ER and been treated like and addict, this was completely the opposite. I wish everyone who was in pain and sought help at the ER was treated like this.

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#646643 - 02/09/08 09:12 AM Re: Tips to spot patients who abuse prescription drugs [Re: BoogieWoogie]
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 Originally Posted By: BoogieWoogie
I have to agree with Ed on this one. I had to goto the ER yesterday. Wednesday while at PT i did something to my back on the exercise bike. The therapist tried her best to stretch and make the pain go away. No Luck. Anyways i lived with it for 2 days and finally my wife made me goto the er.The opana and roxicodone just werent doing anything for this pain.

Anyways, long story short , they wanted to admit me. I said ok so your going to give me IV dilaudid for a couple of days, then what. I cant take IV dilaudid at home and oral dilaudid doesnt work. So the ER doctor wrote me a script for Fentanyl patches 100mcg. And wrote me for a box of 600mcg of Actiq. I have to follow up with the PM doctor this week.

The doctor I saw in the hospital treated me with respect and dignity. I presented my case and history and he worked with me to come up with a solid pain management plan until i could see my pain doctor this week.


While I have been to the ER and been treated like and addict, this was completely the opposite. I wish everyone who was in pain and sought help at the ER was treated like this.

Boogie


Is this going to be ok with your PM doctor? I just know that normally with PM doctor's one of the first requirements is that you are never to accept presciptions from any other doctor. Did you check with him before filling these scripts?

If all is OK with your PM doctor, that is great. I have used both in the past and I did have luck with the patches while they were on but I had a lot of trouble keeping them on. I live in FL and with the heat and humidity it was very difficult.

The Actiq I didn't care for at all. It did start working very quickly but, it didn't last very long at all. The lozenge also teared up the inside of my cheek. They seemed to stop working as soon as they lozenge was gone.

I hope you have better luck with them.

Cheers!

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#646645 - 02/09/08 09:15 AM Re: Tips to spot patients who abuse prescription drugs [Re: BoogieWoogie]
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I have heard of the contracts, where you sign to only use one pharm and that at every visit you bring your meds and they count them, as well as run blood work to see if the levels of meds are appropriate.

However, the pharm calling you so you can immeditely go there for them to count your pills...I would probably not go for it. I have kids how can you just come when summoned. That is nuts, also to me not the pharmacist business.

The Nazi pharmacists probably get their rocks of by phoning people.

God Bless her. That has to be one heck of an inconvienice. But, at least they help her.

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#646647 - 02/09/08 09:23 AM Re: Tips to spot patients who abuse prescription drugs [Re: Arizona]
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My cousin was able to find a doctor to treat her about 2 years ago, for her chronic pain. Prior to that, she was thinking about going the OP route. She had been seeing the same doctor for years, and he refused to provide her w/ medication.

Finally, a rhuematologist saw her and tests were done. When her doctor realized how bad off she was, he immediately started her on a pain plan. Her doseages have gone way up (mostly due to tolerance, I think) since then. The meds she is prescribed are similar to those that cancer patients take. As a result, her doctor has to defend the meds he gives her every month when the case management health team goes over the chronic pain patients. He told her that her name comes up repeatedly because she is so young and of course because of the meds.

Recently, she had to sign a pain contract. What that means, is that any time the pharmacy calls her, she has to go there as soon as she can w/ her meds. They will then count them. This is how they keep track of people who are selling. The pharmacist told her that her name is chosen randomly and that it will most likely come up again. I think it's a huge invasion of privacy. She goes to a gov't health facility though, so it isn't surprising. People should consider that when they think about "universal" or gov't healthcare for everyone. Very scary.

The point of the story is, that there are some physicians who are willing to treat you. It is just getting more and more difficult to find them. Her physician openly told her how much heat he got from colleagues at the health facility for the way he chose to treat her pain. Essentially, he put himself on the line to give her a pain-free life. He even told her that she needs to think about the future, when he leaves the health facility. He told her that not all doctors will treat her like he has been.


I have heard of doctor's requiring patients to come into their office for a random medication count but never a pharmacy. Does the doctor pay the pharmacy to do this for him? Seems really odd that a pharmacy would even agree to get involved in this.

Are you sure it was the pharmacy that was doing this and not the doctor himself?

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#646842 - 02/09/08 03:19 PM Re: Tips to spot patients who abuse prescription drugs [Re: shanesinpain]
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I actually called his office and they were closed. It had a cell phone # for the doctor in case of emergency. Well, i thought it was an emergency so i called. I heard the doctors voice on the cell and left a message. I identified my self very clearly, told him i was in the er at the hospital. Not one call back.

Not too much more i could do. Other than find where he lives and visit him,,,,,,,,, not.

But i do see what your saying about the contract and all. I did make a good faith attempt and he never responded. Didnt call the hospital or my house.
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#646861 - 02/09/08 03:47 PM Re: Tips to spot patients who abuse prescription drugs [Re: BoogieWoogie]
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I have read messages (somewhere) where a person who was a patient at a Pain Clinic was randomly called and she was told to taher her meds to a local pharmacy (that the clinic specified) for a pill count. So, maybe the docs arrange with pharmacies to do this.

I don't think they require this just to see if a patient is selling their meds - I think it is to check to see if the patient is taking more than what the RX say to take on a daily basis. Either way, it is a pill count but I would think that the doctors are more interested in patients who abuse their meds.
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#689746 - 04/27/08 04:24 PM Re: Tips to spot patients who abuse prescription drugs [Re: genethebean1]
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It wouldn't bother me in the least to drop my meds off at a pharmacy to have them counted as long as I am getting the pain relief I need.. i can live with that trade, anyday!
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#689753 - 04/27/08 04:39 PM Re: Tips to spot patients who abuse prescription drugs [Re: darkmantis]
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If I had the meds, I would comply. However, I am sick of doctors acting like being in pain is a moral weakness.
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