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#543585 - 08/16/07 02:35 PM COD - The only way to buy
toolboy toolboy Veteran Registered: 07/12/07 Posts: 595 Loc: Somewhere, But Not Here.	I just got off the ROP threads reading about all the people who have paid for meds and consults on credit cards but not recieved any meds, or a refund. Basically been stiffed, or at least kept on the hook until they get something I tell you all: COD is THE only way to go, and to not take unnecessary risk. 1. The burden of a deliverable, namely meds, is that of the ROP, not you. Many ROP's will not charge you for the consult if meds are not prescribed if you go the COD route. 2. You usually have to sign for the meds. You gotta be there anyway at time of delivery. Give them the MO then, so that is no problem. 3. OK, let's talk money: The money order is $4. and the ROP will charge you $15. That's $19.00. Is 19.00 worth peace of mind? If your average consult is 280.00 including meds, 19.00 is only 7% of the total amount! Cheap. 4. They do not have your credit card info, so that eliminates some potential for fraud. Your transaction is more discrete. Toolboy likes discretion. Not all ROP's do it, so check it out first. If they don't offer COD, there might be a good reason why they don't and a good reason for you to go elswhere. Comments from the gallery? _________________________ ..I'd sell my soul, my self-esteem, a dollar at a time; for one taste, one kiss, one taste of you my Magdalena...
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#543621 - 08/16/07 03:12 PM Re: COD - The only way to buy [Re: toolboy]
darkmantis darkmantis Old Hand Registered: 11/03/05 Posts: 419	Yep..exactly right. Here in az, money orders are only 1$ more..so why not! This is what I do. I agree 100% with toolboy's assessment of not getting ripped off. On top of it, not only do you NOT use your credit card, yand if you want your order always on time do this. Do you ever get tired of waiting around for that Fedex Truck to arrive? Wasting your day looking out the window, wondering if it'll ever come? then do this! Find out your local fedex customer services address, the one that deals with you. When you fill out the questionaire, put their address down instead of yours with your contact phone number. Next to their address or next to your name in the prompt box, put " Hold at Fedex HUB" Promptly at 8:30 (give or take a few minutes) you'll receive a phone call from Fedex saying you have a package at the warehouse. Check your tracking # and it will say, "held at customer service. ready to be picked up." You drive down there and by 9:00 am you'll have your package! You just give the nice customer service lady your money order, sign for it, and out the door you go. I've been doing this for over a year now! It also works for UPS, but I've never used it yet. I have used credit card in the past but only after a few times of using a reliable service. Once I started seeing problems I deleted my cc info in the webpage (1steprescriptions) and went back to cod (and glad i did).
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#543666 - 08/16/07 04:26 PM Re: COD - The only way to buy [Re: darkmantis]
toolboy toolboy Veteran Registered: 07/12/07 Posts: 595 Loc: Somewhere, But Not Here.	darkmantis: What a great tip on FedEX. Who doesn't spend all day looking for them? Will they do that for COD orders, too? Why don't more DB'ers do the COD? Anyone. _________________________ ..I'd sell my soul, my self-esteem, a dollar at a time; for one taste, one kiss, one taste of you my Magdalena...
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#543667 - 08/16/07 04:27 PM Re: COD - The only way to buy [Re: darkmantis]
boltin1 boltin1 Banned Pooh-Bah Registered: 06/03/07 Posts: 1243 Loc: Northeast	TOOL - You gotta read in the BlackList area, there was a supposed OCS that made everything "look" good, and then when the customer's "meds" or "package" came, Fedex would ask you to sign for it, hand over the money order, and THEN the package. People were getting home only to find out that there were ROCKS in the package, taped together with Duck-Tape! CRUEL, sick joke huh? And Fedex would NOT allow you to sign for it first, nor would they "agree" to wath you open it after you give them the money order, so you have a witeness as to what's in the box. Edited by boltin1 (08/16/07 04:29 PM)
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#543688 - 08/16/07 04:41 PM Re: COD - The only way to buy [Re: boltin1]
toolboy toolboy Veteran Registered: 07/12/07 Posts: 595 Loc: Somewhere, But Not Here.	There are cheats in every business. What are you going to make? A couple of grand off the first few customers you rip-off before the word gets out. It might have been a last minute ploy before the DEA threw the lock on the place. If you want longevity in any business, you need to take care of your customers. With those type of practices, no method is safe, I suppose. What keeps the pharm from sticking sugar tabs in? Where does it end? It is all based on trust. Break the trust, the relationship is lost, friends or in business. _________________________ ..I'd sell my soul, my self-esteem, a dollar at a time; for one taste, one kiss, one taste of you my Magdalena...
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#543735 - 08/16/07 05:58 PM Re: COD - The only way to buy [Re: toolboy]
bbeasley bbeasley Member Registered: 04/15/07 Posts: 111	Poignant (why don't we have spellcheck!) as usual Toolboy!
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#543879 - 08/16/07 09:43 PM Re: COD - The only way to buy [Re: toolboy]
patient2all patient2all GRAND Pooh-Bah Registered: 05/16/02 Posts: 3473 Loc: usa	Legitimate businesses always accept credit cards. A chargeback can always be initiated in the event of dissatisfaction. The option of COD is fine, but credit cards offer you infinitely more protection than money orders. Therefore that should be an additional option. I don't shame easily, but I'd feel a bit funny paying the courier $300.00 or so for what is obviously a small bottle of pills. I'm assuming here you're paying for the consult and medication at delivery time. I'd hate to see this become the norm. I don't know if the 'rocks' place was the same as the 'marbles' place from a few years back. Still, as was pointed out, once you open that package, whatever it contains, it's very difficult to get that money order reversed. Never use a debit card unless you truly trust the merchant. However with a credit card, you can be assured that bogus charges will be reversed. It's easier with cards issued by the larger banks. Also, many banks are offering free disposable credit card #'s to which you assign a maximum amount like $200.00. Then that card number is spent. It's still part of your credit card account and bill so its use couldn't be easier. My bank calls it ShopSafe. Look for something similar at your own bank. The OCS that only accepts COD more than likely lost its credit card processor or has been blacklisted due to excessive chargebacks. They can't all be blamed on unscrupulous patients as some ROPs claim. COD only tends to speak of their reputation in general. The COD charge for the merchant generally exceeds the cut even the most high-risk credit card processors will demand. patient2all _________________________ NEW threat, CP Patients We feel like outlaws, NEW laws MAKE us outlaws!
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#543903 - 08/16/07 10:50 PM Re: COD - The only way to buy [Re: toolboy]
princess995 princess995 Member Registered: 03/15/04 Posts: 176 Loc: My own little piece of paradis...	Originally Posted By: toolboy The money order is $4. If you go to your local grocery store or the post office, money orders are less than a dollar - like 79 cents. They are only $4.00 if you go and get a cashier's s check from your bank. Actually, some credit unions offer them to their members for free. So if you are a CU member, check with your credit union to see if they offer that service, I know my old CU did. Just so you're not driving all the way across town to the CU to save a dollar and spending $3.00 in gas! Also, what gets me LOL, but yet frustrated and a little angry at the same time, are places that only charge/ship via COD for "your" protection. If that's true --- then why are they charging a COD fee? UGH!!! And yes, though it's harder to reverse a money order, it can be done. I haven't personally done it but seen on the board where someone has, or at least has tried. If I recall correctly, it takes like 90 days they said to work through the process. But if you are dealing with a reputable OCS, then I sometimes think COD is the way to go because personally I think it makes them get your package out to you faster because they want your money faster. Makes sense huh? Gee, imagine that,it's all about the mighty dollar. Take care everyone!
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#543904 - 08/16/07 10:54 PM Re: COD - The only way to buy [Re: patient2all]
toolboy toolboy Veteran Registered: 07/12/07 Posts: 595 Loc: Somewhere, But Not Here.	patient2all: Great point on the "protection" cards offer. I have never had to 'chargeback' anything before. Frankly, I never heard that word before logging onto this site. That is why you are a Pooh-Bah, my friend, you have been there, done that. I guess I go into a consult always wondering whether the script will be issued. I would hate to pay for a consult and have nothing to show for it. In regards to the courier: I do shame easily, but care very little what he/she thinks about the package. Frankly I get the deliveries to my office, and my office manager is always up front to sign. I don't feel I have too much to hide on that front. She has never asked what the COD is about. She is smart that way, I suppose. _________________________ ..I'd sell my soul, my self-esteem, a dollar at a time; for one taste, one kiss, one taste of you my Magdalena...
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#548622 - 08/24/07 11:24 AM Re: COD - The only way to buy [Re: toolboy]
eyesnot eyesnot Newbie Registered: 05/31/04 Posts: 49	Both tool and p2all have valid points. COD is practically the only way anymore, so no real argument. I have an issue I want to point out about credit card purchases. Paper trails can be used against you for any reason, whether the product you purchase is legal and for legitimate purposes or not. Think "character" in any court battle for child custody, or for a high security clearance job, or, worse, being framed from your local political machine for practically any reason fit to excite voters to support your local crooked politician. With COD, the only transaction that can be subpeonoed is the same one that would be anyhow...the delivery person. _________________________
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#548664 - 08/24/07 12:29 PM Re: COD - The only way to buy [Re: eyesnot]
rexsmithy rexsmithy Banned: insulting other posters Newbie Registered: 10/03/05 Posts: 43	I think this is true to a point. You still have to sign for the delivery (unless you get a delivery person like I had recently who didn't make me sign and apparently signed it himself) and then there is also a MO, Cashier's Check, etc. with your name and address on it. That could easily be brought back and used as a trail. Just saying that there is always a trail. COD may be better, but it still doesn't remove all the "risk".
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#548694 - 08/24/07 01:10 PM Re: COD - The only way to buy [Re: eyesnot]
genethebean1 genethebean1 GRAND Pooh-Bah Registered: 01/08/07 Posts: 2785 Loc: Winter Wonderland	I'm not concerned about a paper trail so I prefer CC. Another option that OCS's could think about doing do is use PayPal. I like the idea of that because the OCS never gets your CC info. It probably wouldn't be easy to do a charge back, however. I know that PayPal offers a buyer protection (I mostly use them for eBay) but I think you would have to tell them what the product is... I don't have the option of picking up at a Hub - plus I don't think I would want to because I live in a very small town. I buy a lot of things online because of the limited shopping available, so it's not uncommon for me to get regular deliveries but I worry that getting a COD every month might arouse suspicion. _________________________ CHANGE IS COMING IN 14 DAYS! YIPPEE!!
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#552650 - 08/29/07 11:23 PM Re: COD - The only way to buy [Re: ]
toolboy toolboy Veteran Registered: 07/12/07 Posts: 595 Loc: Somewhere, But Not Here.	Great comment, can't agree more. In any scenario, you have a bogus company, all bets are off. With COD I would take my lumps vs. discuss my telemedicine problems with my bank. Being discreet has it's downside too. _________________________ ..I'd sell my soul, my self-esteem, a dollar at a time; for one taste, one kiss, one taste of you my Magdalena...
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#553138 - 08/30/07 02:38 PM Re: COD - The only way to buy [Re: toolboy]
eyesnot eyesnot Newbie Registered: 05/31/04 Posts: 49	Unfortunately, the COD's do arouse suspicion. Here are direct quotes from my Fed Ex driver: "yeah, the folks that lived here last paid out for quite a few of these COD's. I can't believe people are willing to pay that much for drugs" and "your meds arrived from xxxxxx. I use them too! (I deleted ProRx, so y'all wouldn't know the name) and my all time favorite... "we keep these packages in a cage. too many came up missing, unless they say COD on them." _________________________
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#553146 - 08/30/07 02:46 PM Re: COD - The only way to buy [Re: toolboy]
Jeremiah Jeremiah Agape Grandparent Pooh-Bah Registered: 07/14/02 Posts: 1042 Loc: U.S.A.	Hey Guys, In the old days,we could to an extent trust the OP to deliver on a pre-authorized cc charge when the process was still in it's virgin stages. Today? I trust COD and will take my chances with the delivery personnel,of which I've yet to receive a comment from,versus money out the window,cc chargbacks and THOSE questions which are far more invasive,, than a COD. JMO,,gotta be careful,,more so than usual with all the fly by nights,,up one month and down within two with your hard earned cash. Each have pro's and con's. Hope this helps. God Bless, J. _________________________ Grandchildren Are Gods Gift For Surviving Your Teenager
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#553147 - 08/30/07 02:46 PM Re: COD - The only way to buy [Re: eyesnot]
eyesnot eyesnot Newbie Registered: 05/31/04 Posts: 49	oops. forgot to make my point in the last post. at least I get a package EVERYTIME with COD. and I read the posts of the first users of any service before venturing into the gray area. far as charge backs go, the bank does add ALL the notes to your account concerning the reason for the charge back. I fouond it impossible to tell them what the product was or wasn't, thanks to the "who gives a tihs" packaging, labeling, and company names, such as xxx (think NorcoWorldWide, lol) _________________________
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#553148 - 08/30/07 02:48 PM Re: COD - The only way to buy [Re: Jeremiah]
eyesnot eyesnot Newbie Registered: 05/31/04 Posts: 49	Originally Posted By: Jeremiah Hey Guys, Today? I trust COD and will take my chances with the delivery personnel,of which I've yet to receive a comment from,versus money out the window,cc chargbacks and THOSE questions which are far more invasive,, than a COD. Hope this helps. God Bless, J. amen to all this. far as the delivery dude goes, he has been the same one for years now. I do trust him completely. I should make it known that I will take the comment any day over the money as well. _________________________
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#555430 - 09/04/07 12:53 AM Re: COD - The only way to buy [Re: eyesnot]
pjay pjay Stranger Registered: 10/27/05 Posts: 5	I have had two deliveries vanish in shipping via u.p.s in the last year.When you pay c.o.d. youd be shocked how helpful everyone waiting on their payment is.They put traces and get to the bottom of who the thief is.Big companies want their money!People in pain want relief. Put it on your credit card and see if you get the help Ive gotten.Nothing makes up for a day when you wish you didnt have to deal with work(or sadly the people you love).But you deal with your problems let the companies deal with theirs
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#643878 - 02/04/08 08:50 PM Re: COD - The only way to buy [Re: pjay]
ConsultsDirect ConsultsDirect ConsultsDirect.net Threadhead Registered: 09/05/07 Posts: 824 Loc: 90 Days Supply	We decided early on that the best way to collect was COD. This protects the client, because they are only charged/pay for something they receive. If protects the company because they receive their money when services are rendered. It's a very simple process that makes everyone happy. We have successfully had over 1,599 Consultations thru Friday of last week that have had the Prescriptions delivered to the clients and the Prescription filled at their local Pharmacy. We had another 30 go out on Monday which will be delivered on Tuesday. We would recommend always shipping and collecting COD. Debbie Customer Service, Consults Direct _________________________ http://www.consultsdirect.Net Email Debbie at: consultsdirect@verizon.net CC's Accepted New Clients Welcome
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#643881 - 02/04/08 09:02 PM Re: COD - The only way to buy [Re: ConsultsDirect]
gram_stainer gram_stainer Old Hand Registered: 06/24/04 Posts: 405 Loc: The Quarter	Shrugs I've always done things the COD route... well, except for back in the day when a certain "Dan" was still around, lol. I've always thought that COD was the safest way to go. And to he!! with what the fedex driver, the UPS driver, or any other driver thinks of me when I come to sign for my meds. I walk with a cane and an obvious limp, and usually have an asthma inhaler in my hand. Most everybody in my vicinity knows I have some nasty health problems, and I've had it happen a couple of time when a driver will actually assist me in getting back up the steps or whatnot. I'll tell 'em straight up that the delivery for me is my medication - and durned if I have ANY reason to give a cr@p about what someone else thinks of me. In any case - yes, COD is the way to go. _________________________ "Pills don't make me high, they make me neutral" ~House M.D.
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#643885 - 02/04/08 09:18 PM Re: COD - The only way to buy [Re: gram_stainer]
toolboy toolboy Veteran Registered: 07/12/07 Posts: 595 Loc: Somewhere, But Not Here.	One of the first threads I ever started was on the merits of COD. Actually the first thread I ever started was "Hydrocodone and Constipation". A real issue. BTW all my COD transactions with Consults Direct (my DS of choice) have gone without a single problem. I actually have them FEDEX to my local Kinko's and they handle the transaction. _________________________ ..I'd sell my soul, my self-esteem, a dollar at a time; for one taste, one kiss, one taste of you my Magdalena...
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#644372 - 02/05/08 04:26 PM Re: COD - The only way to buy [Re: toolboy]
gamehendge gamehendge Journeyman Registered: 01/02/07 Posts: 59	Cod is the way to go. It puts pressure on the company to ship and do it relatively quickly- or dont get money. Credit card ROPs already have your money as soon as you click "submit order", cause we all know that they charge and then ship, contrary to whatever they may say. Also, dont even bother filling out the M.O. until the package is in your hand, and give it a shake, you know the sound. Who cares what ur delivery guy thinks. Its better than chasin him down to get your MO back! Even if you are using a very new company, chances are there is already feedback here. I only had one shady package come when that college kid was sending L484 tylenol instead of tabs... but that was quickly refused because of the NROP thread..I think every DB veteran remembers that. Just think smart not hard people. Have a good day!
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#644376 - 02/05/08 04:34 PM Re: COD - The only way to buy [Re: gamehendge]
duragezic38 duragezic38 Newbie Registered: 01/05/08 Posts: 38 Loc: The Net	Originally Posted By: gamehendge Cod is the way to go. It puts pressure on the company to ship and do it relatively quickly- or dont get money. Credit card ROPs already have your money as soon as you click "submit order", cause we all know that they charge and then ship, contrary to whatever they may say. Also, dont even bother filling out the M.O. until the package is in your hand, and give it a shake, you know the sound. Who cares what ur delivery guy thinks. Its better than chasin him down to get your MO back! Even if you are using a very new company, chances are there is already feedback here. I only had one shady package come when that college kid was sending L484 tylenol instead of tabs... but that was quickly refused because of the NROP thread..I think every DB veteran remembers that. Just think smart not hard people. Have a good day! To ad, most of us veterans know that on a COD order you are allowed to open the package in front of your delivery driver if you want and verify no damage before accepting the package. _________________________ Help 1 Save 1!!!
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#647983 - 02/11/08 08:16 PM Re: COD - The only way to buy [Re: duragezic38]
ConsultsDirect ConsultsDirect ConsultsDirect.net Threadhead Registered: 09/05/07 Posts: 824 Loc: 90 Days Supply	COD is the way to go. Nobody can get hurt. Jeff _________________________ http://www.consultsdirect.Net Email Debbie at: consultsdirect@verizon.net CC's Accepted New Clients Welcome
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#647997 - 02/11/08 08:36 PM Re: COD - The only way to buy [Re: duragezic38]
scruf scruf GRAND Pooh-Bah Registered: 03/21/05 Posts: 2565 Loc: pacific nw	Quote: To ad, most of us veterans know that on a COD order you are allowed to open the package in front of your delivery driver if you want and verify no damage before accepting the package. I sure don't know that! on all the deliveries I've ever gotten, the driver holds the package away out of reach until I have signed and handed over the mo. when I asked to inspect it before paying, he flat says 'no - if there is a problem, it is between you and the supplier'. the most I've gotten is for the driver to 'feel' to see if the bottle appears to be broken, and shake to see if it rattles. and yes, it's embarrassing. I agree cod is best but not foolproof. what if there are acetominophen instead of hydro in your bottle? you're screwed. I've read that this type of thing has been happening lately.
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#648016 - 02/11/08 09:13 PM Re: COD - The only way to buy [Re: scruf]
Connie39 Connie39 Banned: cheering and agreeing to very nasty and offensive posts Member Registered: 01/01/08 Posts: 137	I agree as far as my experience with deliveries, you cannot open the packages before they are signed and paid for.
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