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#495971 - 04/25/07 10:25 PM

How Long Will The ROP World Continue???----POLL

MARLEY Offline

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I was curious what the general consensus is on the ROP world and how much longer everyone feels we will have access to our medication. Please place your vote and let's see what everyone thinks.

-MARLEY

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#495972 - 04/26/07 08:07 AM Re: How Long Will The ROP World Continue???----POLL
emb708 emb708 Threadhead Registered: 08/30/04 Posts: 781	Why I think it is going to be getting harder I think that will Stick around. Just going to have to have much better records then You do now. And will only take people that are really bad off. Maybe even having to have at lest one face to face meeting Or your doctor will have to know what your up to. I maybe ok with this as my doctor gives me very little help Because he has been investigated before. But bet he would be ok With some other doctor giving more. as he has said many times He feels bad on giving so little I would bet he would work for one Before he started getting looked at him self. Wonder how many of us see an ROP doctor as our PC with out knowing it. I wish I could fined one in my area! As they have always been my best doctors even letting me know test I should have done that my PC doctor never told be about! In faxed if it wasn’t for my first ROP doctor I don’t know if I would still be here today He told me after telling him how I was feeling what test to ask for and that I should make Them give me these test (nothing to do with pain meds I was asking for) when my PCP Would not give them to me the ROP doctor call my doctor and said they must do them Or be sewed, That ROP really help me. My area doctors use to just give me an RX and send me on my way never really caring what was giving me pain.
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#495973 - 04/26/07 10:39 AM Re: How Long Will The ROP World Continue???----POLL
Adena Adena Old Hand Registered: 12/15/06 Posts: 496 Loc: West Coast	I think ROPs will still be around for a long time, look at how bad things were a couple of months ago, and now several ROPs are running like nothing happened.
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#495974 - 04/26/07 11:02 AM Re: How Long Will The ROP World Continue???----POLL
Grasshoppa Grasshoppa GRAND Pooh-Bah Registered: 06/23/05 Posts: 4187 Loc: most Days, just laughing!	Hello MARLEY I don't think they will be going away. Things may change to help keep them up and running. If there is a will, there will be a way! Somehow. Take care ~ hoppa~ _________________________ ....I am not foolish. Nor am I afraid!... ...Peek-a-boo...
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#495975 - 04/26/07 11:13 AM Re: How Long Will The ROP World Continue???----POLL
mv001 mv001 Journeyman Registered: 03/16/07 Posts: 53	as long as there is demand there will be supply.you can look back in time and know that this is true.the supplier and methods may change but unless they just totally stop making desired meds(which i cant imagine why they would) i believe there will always be some kind or version of rops.just my take:)
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#495976 - 04/26/07 12:29 PM Re: How Long Will The ROP World Continue???----POLL
everhart1 everhart1 Journeyman Registered: 03/02/04 Posts: 83	I find it interesting that 50% believe they will only be around for less than a year, including myself, but the only people posting a comment are in serious denial about their duration. Yes supply and demand, but there is also a supply and demand for illegal street drugs. It's unfortunate that the laws are increasing against chronic pain patients. _________________________ Strong Enough To Bend
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#495977 - 04/26/07 12:42 PM Re: How Long Will The ROP World Continue???----POLL
Adena Adena Old Hand Registered: 12/15/06 Posts: 496 Loc: West Coast	I dont think I am in serious denial, look at the history of ROPs and the shortages, closures, etc... This has been happening since 2003-2004. This poll is for opinion of weather ROPs are going to be around, not for insults.
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#495978 - 04/26/07 06:52 PM Re: How Long Will The ROP World Continue???----POLL
MARLEY MARLEY GRAND Pooh-Bah Registered: 10/14/05 Posts: 4061 Loc: Vote Obama!	It looks like the majority of the people feel that the ROP world has 6 months to 1 year left. The biggest factor will be what legislation is put into place, what is passed and how involved it is. I personally believe it has a good year or two left, but then think we will see MAJOR changes in the law. It's extremely unfortunate with this War on Patients. What are other people's thoughts on this and the what the results show so far? -MARLEY _________________________ http://www.bushslastday.com/ 01.20.09--Bush's Last Day!!! Please See Link
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#495979 - 04/26/07 07:13 PM Re: How Long Will The ROP World Continue???----POLL
mv001 mv001 Journeyman Registered: 03/16/07 Posts: 53	Quote: I find it interesting that 50% believe they will only be around for less than a year, including myself, but the only people posting a comment are in serious denial about their duration. Yes supply and demand, but there is also a supply and demand for illegal street drugs. It's unfortunate that the laws are increasing against chronic pain patients. that was my point,people still get street drugs that the gov has been trying to get rid of for years.im not in denial about anything because the absolute truth is,we just dont know how much longer they will be available.to me the underlining question is,if and when they are not around what will people be willing to do to get meds they need?
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#495980 - 04/26/07 07:32 PM Re: How Long Will The ROP World Continue???----POLL
suzieo suzieo Threadhead Registered: 11/27/06 Posts: 935 Loc: Washington	Yes, legislature ... if the grey area becomes black and white and OCS's are made illegal ... they will close down, unlike street drugs that aren't affected by the law. I still think there's more than 1 year before that will happen. p.s. If rop's become illegal, iop's and email sources will get lot's of business, crooks will be everywhere and it'll be a sad day. _________________________ When you change the way you look at things - the things you look at change.
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#495981 - 04/26/07 09:28 PM Re: How Long Will The ROP World Continue???----POLL
MARLEY MARLEY GRAND Pooh-Bah Registered: 10/14/05 Posts: 4061 Loc: Vote Obama!	I agree with you---That would be a sad day! In fact, the IOP world could come to an end at some point as well with the gov't now interfering with Western Union---Once we see what comes out of this, there could be a MAJOR CHANGE in the IOP world. Ang had a great article about how IOP's could be shut down asap through this new legislation. WHY can't all of this time and money be spent on something productive? -MARLEY _________________________ http://www.bushslastday.com/ 01.20.09--Bush's Last Day!!! Please See Link
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#495982 - 04/27/07 12:24 AM Re: How Long Will The ROP World Continue???----POLL
aki_nage aki_nage Veteran Registered: 08/31/05 Posts: 622 Loc: watching in the woods ....	Quote: ... WHY can't all of this time and money be spent on something productive? IMO, it's because there is so much money being made on the LE side of shutting down OPs and much safer than going after street dealers. _________________________ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~ Ben Franklin
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#495983 - 04/27/07 01:07 AM Re: How Long Will The ROP World Continue???----POLL
Administrator Administrator Administrator GRAND Pooh-Bah Registered: 11/18/01 Posts: 6110 Loc: DrugBuyers.Com	I do not think you are reading the results properly The way I interpret the results so far is that the majority thinks more than one year. Those that voted more than three years obviously think it is also more than one year too... The last two option ad to 50% now Quote: It looks like the majority of the people feel that the ROP world has 6 months to 1 year left. _________________________ >>>Important>>> We need your support to keep this free board going, remain online, and improve the site. Help us help you. Join our VIP program. The membership costs less than $5 per month, pays for itself, and saves you a bundle in discounts, a real WIN-WIN situation: www.drugbuyers.com/join >>> Please do not contact me by PM for lost or forgotten usernames or passwords. You can recover them online or you can contact us via www.drugbuyers.com/help
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#495984 - 04/27/07 04:49 AM Re: How Long Will The ROP World Continue???----POLL
BJS3 BJS3 Pooh-Bah Registered: 11/21/05 Posts: 1304 Loc: US	I tend to agree with what GrassHopper says. Where there's a will, there's a way and I do believe that the will is out there and going strong! JMO of course... God Bless, _________________________ Jay "Just learn to live with it" is not an acceptable approach to pain management.– Steve Fanto, M.D.
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#495985 - 04/27/07 05:19 AM Re: How Long Will The ROP World Continue???----POLL
MrJR MrJR Old Hand Registered: 06/10/04 Posts: 441	Suzieo, You are 100% right. I'm not going to predict when the legislation will be passed so rop's can no longer operate but when it is, it will be a day for DRUG DEALERS & CROOKS to celebrate. As a result crime will be on the rise! _________________________ When you lose, don't lose the lesson.
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#495986 - 04/28/07 07:27 PM Re: How Long Will The ROP World Continue???----POLL
twinsa2b twinsa2b GRAND Pooh-Bah Registered: 08/13/02 Posts: 1557 Loc: New England	The feds better start stockpiling Sub because people are going to need something, anything! I think they will be around for a longtime but the ways things work now will change and certainly, the price! Listen, these ROP's owners love the oney, I don't think they will walk away even with new laws. They will find a way to bypass them like they do now with a gray area...there will be more gray areas to come. Just like way back in 2000, you would find it at least 50% cheaper and hardly any records needed. It was huge just to send a copy of you D.L. back then. I going basing my guess on the money to be had from pain suffers. No one likes pain and most are willing to get pain releif over eating because you can't eat when you hurt so badly! _________________________ I've learned that you shouldn't go through life with catcher's mitts on both hands. You need to be able to throw something back. (Maya Angelou)
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#495987 - 05/02/07 05:59 PM Re: How Long Will The ROP World Continue???----POLL
Sinistral_ Sinistral_ Enthusiast Registered: 10/10/05 Posts: 284 Loc: Pirate Kittenville	Forever, people will just have to conform to the Rules. Clinics will have to become "Madison" like. The FEDS just want a paper trail. It makes their skin itch, and their legs ache that 7,500 hydrocodone tablets are being flown out every day. I'm talking blood work, urine drug screens, background investigations. Land of the free? We are one of the most regulated peoples on this planet with all the hoops we have to jump through. The FEDS can listen to your phone calls, read your e-mails for no reason. They don't need justification, or a warrant from an elected official anymore. Just whatever the hell they want, when they want it. It's just going to become more regulated, more paperwork, more hoops, more collars, more enforcement. You have to be an educated voter. The Constitution affords everyone the right to bare arms. There is no literature in the document that states, No Felons, No Crazies, Classes you have to pay for, Taxes. See how they do it? Slowly but surely your rights have been stripped right out from under your nose. You can't even die in this country if you don't want to live anymore because of chronic illness. African Americans have all their race/job quotas, what happened to "Best Man For the Job"? Those days are gone. African Americans get 20points on their S.A.T's and A.C.T scores just for being a certain skin color. Why don't they just dock all white, spanish and asian children -20 from the start? Same difference right? God forbid my children have to actually EARN all their points on their college entry examinations. We've got 40million illegal aliens living in this country, and 5million more every year, but don't get mad, and ask our government to enforce our immigration laws. Most of the Spanish will just call you a racist, and the FEDS are too busy taking your pain medication away to see 5 million people crossing the border every 365 day cycle. Land of the Free? Edited by Sinistral_ (05/02/07 08:13 PM) _________________________ Lieutenant Colonel H.B. Have a blessed day
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#495988 - 05/02/07 06:30 PM Re: How Long Will The ROP World Continue???----POLL
oceanlover oceanlover Veteran Registered: 05/15/05 Posts: 522	Glad to see you, I hate to miss any of your posts. I told my husband you are one of the most respected and loved, along with a few others and you know who you are R. Anyhow, I think the same thing, about 1-3 years but maybe longer if we could extend it by using cameras with our computers, maybe this would be more exceptable to the higher-ups that have nothing better to do than make sure we suffer more than needed and then maybe some of us will be here no longer because the pain can't be standed and they figure they won't have to deal with these people any longer. I worked as a paralegal for a criminal defense firm for a long while and loved it. Most of the people there were not harden criminals like some would think, it was drugs or alcohol. Does anyone realize how much money would be saved by helping with education, pain and other things instead of placing these people in jail for years. It makes me sick.
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#495989 - 05/02/07 11:08 PM Re: How Long Will The ROP World Continue???----POLL
chronicpain1 chronicpain1 Enthusiast Registered: 04/02/07 Posts: 224	I certainly thing as others have said it may get harder, change in various ways, but i don't think that ROPs will be eliminated. Why do i think this, well the first thing that came to my mind is And not comparing in any way the 2, but they can't control or put a dent in what goes on with the internet and underage porn sites. They try and close them down, but they still are there and apparently open up new sites while others are being closed. They can't control abuse and meetings of underage kids from online chatting and they can't control street drug abuse or prostitution. They try and they close things down, but then new dealers, new pimps and prostitutes come out somewhere else. Now I hate the way this sounds b/c i am not in anyway saying ROPs are like prostitution or drug dealing etc. But that's exactly why I don't think they can control/eliminate ROPs in the long run b/c they can't control some of the more serious issues going on in both the internet and the actual world. I know ROPs are conneceted to the actual world events, obviously the pharmacies and doctors and such, but i don't think they can do anything but make it harder. I can be absolutely wrong, jmo.
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#495990 - 05/08/07 09:38 AM Re: How Long Will The ROP World Continue???----POLL
patty_ann patty_ann Newbie Registered: 05/04/07 Posts: 33 Loc: MD Eastern Shore	I've noticed many beginning to realize the value of telemedicine, especially in rural and remote areas as well as those who've just lost insurance or never had it. I've seen the legitimacy of many ROPs by joining this board, and understand the value. PA _________________________ PA Keep your face to the sunshine and you cannot see the shadows. -Helen Keller
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#495991 - 06/16/07 06:33 PM Re: How Long Will The ROP World Continue???----POLL
crazy88 crazy88 Stranger Registered: 06/07/07 Posts: 16	I think they will make it harder and harder but the rop's that can stick it out until the government catches up on emedicine will be in a great position. Just hope some can hang in there so we aren't all left hangin.
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#495992 - 06/16/07 06:54 PM Re: How Long Will The ROP World Continue???----POLL
XanHead XanHead Board Addict Registered: 11/20/04 Posts: 344	Its been over in KY
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#495993 - 06/24/07 05:51 AM Re: How Long Will The ROP World Continue???----POLL
captdg captdg Newbie Registered: 02/14/07 Posts: 40 Loc: Alabama	I believe that it will be directly proportional to media coverage. The more the media covers the negative aspects,i.e. teen deaths,addiction, then the families of the abusers will go to the media, then legislators who want to be re-elected will declare "war" on op's, then LE gets involved. If the media stays out of it op's will stay around. If the abusers (especially the rich white under 25 crowd) families blame the op instead of the abuser, then op's will have a hard row to hoe
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#495994 - 07/18/07 08:29 AM Re: How Long Will The ROP World Continue???----POLL
SeaBreeze SeaBreeze Member Registered: 03/03/07 Posts: 160	I didn't take the poll because I have no guess, and I'm hoping that they will never actually "go." Maybe something will come to a head, where there is enough media attention about the legitimate side of things and people being left in pain. (Though, it is really annoying that the media is probably going to determine our fate, when you really think about it. Because individuals are too stupid to get all the facts before they act on something, and as usual the media only tells half the story, if that.) Also dooming us is that the people who most need medication are not in a position publicly to make a stand. If celebrities and politicians were impacted by this, the gov't would change their tune instantly and stop harming the CP patients, but all the celebs and politicians have connections and independent sources so they don't need OPs. Most of the people who do, are too ill and disabled by their health problems to do anything about it. It takes power and strength to make change; I don't see that we have either...I really fear for the future and for everyone here. I would hope that if it is made illegal, maybe they will just change the requirements, like require in-home visits? And naturally, if that happens, things will move offshore and maybe we will have more options there. I see no reason why "prohibition" again will not create a huge black market. And who knows? Maybe other countries will see the opportunity and start making strong pain meds and it will become all import. (I do think that is inevitable, that there will be hydro and oxy-like products available in lots of other countries soon.) Or it will just be shipped from here. I mean, even Drug Central was able to do it with hydro for a while. All it would take is a businessperson who is committed to it, and not a crook. But even the way things are now, it is a lot cheaper to get some meds overseas than to pay OCS or doctors and pharmacies in person. Maybe that will be the future.
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#495995 - 07/18/07 08:45 AM Re: How Long Will The ROP World Continue???----POLL
sleeplez sleeplez Journeyman Registered: 08/29/05 Posts: 66 Loc: South	I just wanted to say how impressed I am with what you said. Alot of people wouldn't have bothered and is so refreshing to see someone speak up. If more did, do you think it would make a difference ? Do you know of anyway someone could make a difference ? Thanks again for the very inspirational post.
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#495996 - 07/18/07 08:52 AM Re: How Long Will The ROP World Continue???----POLL
SeaBreeze SeaBreeze Member Registered: 03/03/07 Posts: 160	Quote: Listen, these ROP's owners love the oney, I don't think they will walk away even with new laws. They will find a way to bypass them like they do now with a gray area Yes, I really believe this is possible, because lives are depending on medication, and "life finds a way," as Malcolm says. This is not like alcohol that people can live without. Medication cannot be eliminated like this, with all of these regular docs still unable to prescribe it. It is too desperate a situation for ROPs to just "go." Quote: Just like way back in 2000, you would find it at least 50% cheaper and hardly any records needed. It was huge just to send a copy of you D.L. back then. OMG, I remember that! AGGGHHH!! That was the case until just a few years ago. I used to be real nervous about submitting my DL, because I worried about identity theft. Now you have to sign over your whole history just to get help, and still some people are refused! Thanks also to the Colonel for his post. It was a great read.
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#495997 - 07/18/07 02:03 PM

Re: How Long Will The ROP World Continue???----POLL

Daffne Offline

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Registered: 09/21/05
Posts: 110
Loc: Somewhere Over The Rainbow

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If celebrities and politicians were impacted by this, the gov't would change their tune instantly and stop harming the CP patients, but all the celebs and politicians have connections and independent sources so they don't need OPs.

That could be part of the problem, Sea Breeze, since these news stories featuring politician's family and celebrities family are quick to point out (substiantited or not verified) that a common source for these demon drugs are the internet.

Re: Al Gore's son's recent run-in with the law:

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Students commonly pair pills with beer and cigarettes, experts say. They trade tips about the effects of prescription drugs on networking sites like Facebook and trade pills they've stolen from home medicine cabinets, ordered on the Internet or taken from friends with legitimate prescriptions.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,288257,00.ht