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#35004 - 09/20/03 07:27 AM

do you feel your labled a drug seeker

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Do you Feel that your MD/PMD has labled you a drugseeker rightly or wrongly. Pain+Painmeds=drug seeker "Not"

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#35005 - 04/13/07 01:15 AM Re: do you feel your labled a drug seeker
chronicpain1 chronicpain1 Enthusiast Registered: 04/02/07 Posts: 224	No, b/c i am too scared to ask for pain meds, how do u do that w/o looking like ur seeking drugs. i mean the dr. brings up meds that they think they want u on, how does 1 say, can i have some percocet. So no, i just think i have seen some docs who greatly underestimated my pain and treated me like a freak. I dunno, i guess they must have though i liked having just finished college, having no insurance and going to doctors. I mean it was suggested by docotrs and friends that it was in my head, that i was reading too much and made myself think i had something, i couldn't believe some of this. I only came out and asked my neurologist after a few years and many tests and knowing him very very well, mumbling still, do u think u could give me something, like for like that might like treat pain. ridiculous, makes me mad just thinking about it. No, they just think i am crazy or don't get how bad it is.
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#35006 - 04/13/07 05:20 AM Re: do you feel your labled a drug seeker
trixbooch trixbooch Member Registered: 12/06/06 Posts: 100 Loc: VA	I can't find a doctor in Virginia that doesn't treat me like a drug seeker and I've had at least eight surgeries for my condition. I wish I could find one so I could use the excellent insurance I have. It's unbeliveable the way I have been treated and the money I have had to spend online b/c I can't find a compassionate doctor in my area. I have $10 copays on prescriptions and visits and can't get prescribed what I need to live a normal life. I would even travel to a different city or area if I could find someone who would accually listen to me. Just my experience....I guess? Can you tell I'm a tad frustrated today LOL??? trix
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#35007 - 04/13/07 05:47 AM Re: do you feel your labeled a drug seeker
no1_gy no1_gy Journeyman Registered: 03/27/07 Posts: 50	Meds come from nature they have been around medicinally for um teen years way before Docs ,Ifind it horrible people have to suffer when there is relief ,I'm ashamed of our doc for thinking purely of themselves instead of the oath they took to heal help ,its ridiculous if people were educated properly and giving choices we would be able to fend off so much pai N nd suffering ,instead its just another way big corps make money off people Its all about money
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#35008 - 04/13/07 05:51 AM Re: do you feel your labled a drug seeker
kelbel2 kelbel2 GRAND Pooh-Bah Registered: 09/22/05 Posts: 1741	You dont ask for percs. The doctor should ask you what has worked in the past and you list what has worked. I just think the people who think they are labeled as a drug seeker or think the pharmacist and doctor thinks they are seeking they are a little paranoid. I have never even looked at the pharmacist long enough to care what he/she thought about my drugs or whatever. I have read a lot of stories about bad pharmacists on here and yes those stories are terrible and would never want to go thru that but if they don't say anything and you feel like you get a look then I think that is paranoia. Who freaking cares what the pharmacist thinks??? I don't know about other people but I don't have time to care what anyone thinks when I'm having a 2 minute interaction with them. Anyways, don't bring up that you want or need percocet. After you see the PM doc a couple of times and they ask you what has worked in the past then you tell them. Always being open to testing and new procedures. Oh and make sure you present yourself well. Make sure you are dressed nice, I think that's very important. I have to wear a suit to work everyday except Friday's and I always go to the doctor on lunch so I'm always dressed up and look real nice. I think that's very important. _________________________ Don't go around saying the world owes you a living. The world owes you nothing. It was here first. Mark Twain
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#35010 - 04/13/07 06:01 AM Re: do you feel your labled a drug seeker
toadwarrior toadwarrior Veteran Registered: 06/08/06 Posts: 532 Loc: Cowtown NJ	I agree on all points, dress well, comment on what USED to work. As far as the pharmacists, I am amazed how much play they get on this board. I have gotten into disputes, I've screamed their ears back, and once , went around the counter and took back a script that the guy was too stupid to figure out.
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#35011 - 04/13/07 06:50 AM Re: do you feel your labled a drug seeker
trixbooch trixbooch Member Registered: 12/06/06 Posts: 100 Loc: VA	I never ask for a specific drug or anything like that. They just seem to have a pre-conceived notion. I haven't had this problem in other places I have lived but since moving to VA 10 years ago, I have been thru every test, procedure, every hoop they have asked me to jump thru with the same results....limited meds for short term. I haven't and won't give up until I find someone but just tired of being in pain and not being able to find a doctor that could care less (I don't even care if he cares...just treat me the way I should be treated!!!) The pain is unbearable anymore. And you are more than right about the pharmasist, they provide a service and if I get a dirty look, who cares? There are plenty of pharmacies out there. One of theses days I'm going to start a topic that states "I finally found a PM doctor who will help me". Until that day, I'll keep looking. Anyone with any suggestions in Virgnia would be appreciated but I do understand if I don't get any.
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#35012 - 04/13/07 09:24 AM Re: do you feel your labled a drug seeker
chronicpain1 chronicpain1 Enthusiast Registered: 04/02/07 Posts: 224	i can't recall my doctors asking what's worked in the past. and they don't think my pain is that bad, i don't know what to do about that. i don't know how to look when i go to a dr. i mean it's sad, but my therapist and i had a discussion about this ans it helps when u have someone tell you how you look, she said you look too good, u laugh a lot. which by the way i doin't laugh at doctors appt.s i dread them now. i was like i'm positive or else i would have not been able to deal w/ all this stuff of the past 8 (censoredcensored, very censored) years i mean come on, if i go to dr.s and cry they say i'm depressed and need an a/d if i am calm and relaxed, they seem to think it's not that bad or i would be freaking out, if i'm freaking out they say i'm mentally losing it b/c of health issues, it's like no win. i think it would help if i had a boyfriend/spouse/family memeber to go wioth me but i don't. clearly i don't go in looking like a slob, but my therapist told me, try not to wear makeup and get dressed up. just be serious, don't smile or show any cheer, ok, it's retarted, i still have my personality, but anyway, be professional, and she suggested trying to look a little worse, at least i guess in the face, not looking like a hobo. i am 29, but i do look a lot younger. i don't know if being female is worse or not, guys any thoughts on that?? has anyone taken a significant other to back them up and has it helped??? i have trouble being taken seriously. and i will say it is in other areas of life too prob b/c i look younger. but when i read over my records, i'm like hello why didn't they write down my complaints of pain, nerve pain, etc. did they not believe me??? so they don't ask what worked b/c they don't seem to realize i have severe pain and many other symptoms along with it.
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#35013 - 04/13/07 10:08 AM Re: do you feel your labled a drug seeker
Rescue3000 Rescue3000 Old Hand Registered: 12/29/06 Posts: 416 Loc: East coast offshore	That is an interesting thought.In my case I could have cut the air with a knife when I told the doc,This ibuprophen 's not working.I still have pain all the time all it does is give me heartburn.He started me on oxycodone 24 pills a month.It was better than nothing so I kept my mouth shut.Every visit with him therafter was different we werent discussing important items concerning my health. The primary discussion was addiction and such.As in the pole above I knew he had me labled DS but I didnt care.As time went by (years) I went over his head to the head of pain management at the VA hospital. She couldnt believe I was only getting 24 and increased it to 120!.I returned to the dr. the next month and when he saw my file abd the visit to pain management he was outraged again I didnt care. He had to renew my meds at 120count from then on.And then because I was living pain free at last I was able to acomplish things that before I was unable to .Doc. happened to see me one day bringing a patient into the emergency room and reliezed I was an EMT on the local rescue squad. Ever since that day, I guess he saw I too was in the medical field he treats me 100% differently.Does not treat me as a drug seeker but almost as a friend.The point made sometimes first impressions of a patient by a doctor are you are an addict,and drug seeker.You have to prove different over a long period of time. Its a shame, but I guess alot of people have ruined things for us truely cronic pain patients and doctors are allways on the lookout because they have been scamed by addicts. _________________________ You sink them we save them!!
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#35014 - 04/13/07 11:19 AM Re: do you feel your labled a drug seeker
kelbel2 kelbel2 GRAND Pooh-Bah Registered: 09/22/05 Posts: 1741	I look younger than I am as well. I started getting narcotics at 21 years old so that can't be the problem. Pain doesn't discriminate. What is the cause of your pain? Do you have MRI's or other tests to back it up? I know when I go to the doc Im wearing my 4 inch heels and all dolled up cause that's just who I am everyday and I have a bad back. They cannot see my pain and I thought that would be a problem but I've never had a problem. I wouldn't go in there being all happy because if your really in pain it would be annoying and you would be frustrated. But my doc knows my pain because I have gone in there balling my eyes out a couple of times on my bad days and he knows that I'm not drug seeking because on those days he would try to up my dosage and I would say no because I had already had enough. I think that's hwo I got respect and compassion I deserved. _________________________ Don't go around saying the world owes you a living. The world owes you nothing. It was here first. Mark Twain
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#35015 - 04/13/07 03:03 PM Re: do you feel your labled a drug seeker
fashana fashana Enthusiast Registered: 02/21/07 Posts: 226 Loc: Washington	I have talking my husband to a Dr's appt make's the Dr more suspect then not. Why I donot know. I agree with what other folks never,never say what you want,even if asked directly,unless your sure the question isn't some kind of test. I have had Drs ask what works for you ? I anserwer yaada yaada,then he will go I don't perscribe for that.Then you end up with nada,which is excatley what the SOB had in mind in the first place. Also if some how you can get the Dr to see you as a human with some worth ie I have this job etc that helps alot,like the guy who is EMT pointed out. His Dr should have asked what he did for a living long before.I think maybe thats one way you can tell if a Dr is serious about treating you,do they ask you questions about your life not just your medical condiction.Any thoughts on that? One last thing re pharmistis(sp)I think it's generally the techs that have the additude,at least that's been my expirerence.I have one that work's at my local wallgreens I like to mess with.
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#35016 - 04/13/07 03:12 PM Re: do you feel your labled a drug seeker
kelbel2 kelbel2 GRAND Pooh-Bah Registered: 09/22/05 Posts: 1741	That's very true. I brought my fiance in several times with me because my fiance is very involved in my pain and pain mgmt. for me because I was getting real moody on the drugs and that's one reason why I brought my tolerance down a bunch because I didn't want to be known as the beotch in the house. But he asked how long we were together, when we were getting married, what I did for a living, what he did for a living, why we were getting married, and blah blah blah you get the picture. He's very involved in my life (my doc) he knows when I'm getting married, where it's going to be at, how long the reception is (in terms of how long I will be on my feet and dancing that day). he suggested I get some accupuncture before the big day to help with stress because he knows how stress and pain correlate. So yes a good doc should be asking those questions. _________________________ Don't go around saying the world owes you a living. The world owes you nothing. It was here first. Mark Twain
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#35017 - 04/13/07 04:17 PM Re: do you feel your labled a drug seeker
DanielWA DanielWA Veteran Registered: 02/27/07 Posts: 553	I have had pharmasists ask me what I was taking the meds for!! I actually had one tell me that my Dr should switch me to another medication becasue he didn't think the patches weren't a good "fit" for my situation. At this one particular pharmacy (I went to have it filled while doing my grocery shopping), they would make me WAIT and WAIT, while others, who dropped theirs off after me, got taken care of. I could tell it just KILLED her to fill it...and I looked like June Cleaver. God only knows how long she would have made me wait if I had double pierced ears! LOL Anyway, I told my Dr about this, and it made him mad. He said that he has pharmacies call all the time, trying to make trouble. I always feel guilty around them...I guess it's all those years of Catholic School and being taught by Nuns! Have a great weekend everyone!!
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#35018 - 04/13/07 04:27 PM Re: do you feel your labled a drug seeker
poker29 poker29 Newbie Registered: 11/21/06 Posts: 43	Just felt I had to put my 2 cents on that one. I get sooo tired of pharmacist's playing doctor. It is their job to educate you on the meds your doctor has prescribed ONLY. Where they feel the need or athourity to practice medicine as a doctor is beyond me. Sorry if I skewed off topic but that is just a sore subject with me as I am sure it is with a lot of cp sufferers. _________________________ You think you are playing with a full deck but,,, you are a jack off.
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#35019 - 04/13/07 05:59 PM Re: do you feel your labled a drug seeker
sbworking sbworking Member Registered: 02/25/07 Posts: 164	Lots of good advise here. I just want to mention, I always wear a suit when I go to the docs. Don’t know why they do it but I know for a fact they treat me different if I wear jeans so even if I have a day off, I dress in a suit & bring my laptop. SB
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#35020 - 04/13/07 07:31 PM Re: do you feel your labled a drug seeker
toadwarrior toadwarrior Veteran Registered: 06/08/06 Posts: 532 Loc: Cowtown NJ	Here is my coup de grace, and I only use this one if I'm not using this pharmacy again and he's a proven [censored]. If there is a crowd and the script is for narcotics accuse(Yell angrily) the pharmacist of stealing your medication , like he did the last time he filled it. TALK over eveything he says , tell him you want to call your Doctor right now and you want someone else to count out your script- say his eyes look blurry- he should be reported. I did this for a guy who had been jerking me around, there were about thirty people there -none were on his side- turned out he moved on.
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#35021 - 04/14/07 08:56 AM Re: do you feel your labled a drug seeker
chronicpain1 chronicpain1 Enthusiast Registered: 04/02/07 Posts: 224	Since you replied to me, I will try and answer as politely as possible assuming you perhaps didn't choose your words thoughtfully and meant it in a way other than how i read it. Quote: I look younger than I am as well. I started getting narcotics at 21 years old so that can't be the problem. Pain doesn't discriminate. What is the cause of your pain? Do you have MRI's or other tests to back it up? I know when I go to the doc Im wearing my 4 inch heels and all dolled up cause that's just who I am everyday and I have a bad back. They cannot see my pain and I thought that would be a problem but I've never had a problem. I wouldn't go in there being all happy because if your really in pain it would be annoying and you would be frustrated. But my doc knows my pain because I have gone in there balling my eyes out a couple of times on my bad days and he knows that I'm not drug seeking because on those days he would try to up my dosage and I would say no because I had already had enough. I think that's hwo I got respect and compassion I deserved. Ok, regardless, i got sick when i was 21, and had no idea what pain pills were, so i don't get your point. What do you mean that can't be the problem, just b/c you got narcotics at 21, and I am 29 and look 21, doesn't mean that i won't have problems b/c i look young and attractive. It does cause problems. If not, then why are there people bent over and hobbling who have problems b/c obviously some doctors don't or feel they can't help you. Pain doesn't descriminate, but people do, and doctors are people. It could be for lots of reasons, i went to a support group and heard people who felt their docs didn't take them seriously b/c they were older, and sai d it's the normal stuff of getting older etc. etc. maybe it's living in VA, i don't know, and i don't care b/c i don't seek narcotics, i seek any treatment they will try to help me. I do not go into doctors all happy and i said that. I have bawled my eyes out,sobbed yelled, angerysulked, wimjpered, i have had every mood possible w/ doctors I was talking about a conversation w/my therapist, but i still don't walk around w/o laughing and smiling sometimes. It hurts me less to wear a smile than high heels would. i can't wear high heels, i have neuropathy, and i think it's funny you wear high heels and have abad back cuz my friend had a bad back and would never. anyway. You are very lucky to have a doctor who understands and treats you. And it's not that my doctos i have do not try to treat me, but so far nothing works for neuropath and vulvodynia, nerve pain. i'm not even going to go into my entire health history b/c ur tone was as if i must not have proof, i have had extensive testing, 2 brain/spine mris, nerve conduction studies, evoked potentials etc etc lots of tests, this is spanning about 8 years, i don't have a diagnosis, my neuro thinks was a brain infection either viral or bacterial that could have triggered this. alot of cfs/fibro symptoms, i stick with the same doctors now so they know my records to back me up, they ordered a lot of the tests. they believe me, they just have no cure for me. i am finally trying to get out and see new doctors again b/c i couldn't deal with it for a while, and have appt. w/pain specialist. So very happy you are getting whatever treatment it is you need, narcotics or whatever else, but it's not that easy for everyone, and depends on the doctor. i also prefer to try other meds that might actually cure or reduce the nerve pain that are not narcotics, which usually have their own fun and exciting lists of annoying side effects. good luck to you, great dr., narcotics, you should be doing great then and pain free
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#35022 - 04/14/07 02:41 PM Re: do you feel your labeled a drug seeker
no1_gy no1_gy Journeyman Registered: 03/27/07 Posts: 50	Pharmacist have hierarchy over doctors and can refuse you meds
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#35023 - 04/14/07 07:11 PM Re: do you feel your labled a drug seeker
cawest cawest Newbie Registered: 11/02/06 Posts: 35 Loc: ms. ,u.s.a.	WOW! I think kelbel2 was just trying to ask some questions to maybe help you out. You seem to jump off the deep end whenever someone makes a statement or asks a question directed at you. After all, this is a discussion board. people come here for advice, information, and whatnot.I think alot of your post have the inferred tone of questions. Most everyone here is just trying to be as helpful as they can. I'm sorry you may have mistook helpful questions as cynicisum. _________________________ If it sounds to good to be true,it probably is'nt true
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#35024 - 04/14/07 07:15 PM Re: do you feel your labled a drug seeker
Ruggie Ruggie GRAND Pooh-Bah Registered: 03/25/04 Posts: 12354 Loc: Right Here	Quote: Do you Feel that your MD/PMD has labled you a drugseeker rightly or wrongly. Pain+Painmeds=drug seeker "Not" I think that anyone who is prescribed narcotic meds for a long period of time is looked as a drug seeker, maybe not by the doctor but by our government, if you read the controlled substance act closely, you will see that it basically lumps the CP pt. right in there with the addicts. _________________________ Takes a Lickin' & Keeps on Tickin'
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#35025 - 04/17/07 12:00 PM Re: do you feel your labled a drug seeker
calandra calandra Journeyman Registered: 02/27/07 Posts: 51 Loc: Florida	Yes I do. And what really ticks me off about it is that I only take 1 occassionally 2 (if I am having a really bad day) 10/325 hydrocodone, in my mind that is not alot. Yes I take it daily, I need to in order to function without pain and my body does go through withdrawl if I do not have the med's but I do not take them just for the fun of it. One pill a day to me seems like less harm on my body than the countless other drugs doctors keep telling me I can or should take. I function well on that 1 pill a day and rather than prescribe me 30 pills a month they want me to take over the counter [censored] or else arthritis type med's such as celebrex that do not help me and IMO have far worse side effects than the hydro. JMO _________________________ Calandra *don't breed or buy while shelter pets die*
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#35026 - 04/17/07 12:14 PM Re: do you feel your labled a drug seeker
barelythere barelythere GRAND Pooh-Bah Registered: 11/29/04 Posts: 1510	I think you have taken kelbel's post in a way which was unintended. I didn't see any "tone" at all. I think it's very easy to misunderstand people online because you can't hear any intonation or see their body language.
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#35027 - 04/17/07 12:45 PM Re: do you feel your labled a drug seeker
kelbel2 kelbel2 GRAND Pooh-Bah Registered: 09/22/05 Posts: 1741	Thank you barely. I absolutely did not mean to offend as I never do. I don't see how anyone could hear tone from an email or post. you read it the way you wanted to read it. My points were that pain doesn't discriminate. I did not mean that in a bad way. Alot of doc's think that if you are young that you are not in pain. That's just not true. Pain doesn't discriminate. I didn't mean that in a negative way toward you chronic. I was just giving tips and advice in my opinion and letting you know how things have been working for me and what I do to help you out. I don't know why it seems that sometimes people think I'm attacking when I am trying to help. I don't mean to be rough. _________________________ Don't go around saying the world owes you a living. The world owes you nothing. It was here first. Mark Twain
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#35028 - 04/17/07 03:51 PM Re: do you feel your labled a drug seeker
Khilee Khilee Threadhead Registered: 03/02/07 Posts: 858 Loc: TN	I agree bob93. My PMD is Asian and he is very compassionate and has never treted me with anything but respect. I am 52 and probably look it, and the first time I saw him, he said "you too young to be in so much pain" _________________________ To err is human, but to really foul things up requires a computer ---- anon
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#35029 - 04/17/07 04:29 PM Re: do you feel your labled a drug seeker
chronicpain1 chronicpain1 Enthusiast Registered: 04/02/07 Posts: 224	I am sorry for reading and inferring the wrong thing from your post. Sometimes when things are stated as fact, like when u said u got pain meds when u were 21, so that can't be it, it sounds condescending. I got the wrong message from it, and I really thought you were talking dwon to me and stating opinion as fact, as well as doubting me. Apologies, i took the wrong way obviously, especially considering you took the time to say heer you were trying to help. People do get a tone or read a attitude from comments, but it can be completely misread and I completely misread, so thanx for letting me know, and thanx for trying to help.
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