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#250733 - 10/26/05 09:46 PM
Doctor prescribed Ibuprofen for headaches
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Registered: 09/07/05
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Hey all,
Last week I got in an accident on my ATV. I live in Pennsylvania and there is a lot of ATV stuff to do out here. I also happen to be a mechanic for a Yamaha Dealership.
Well, I got hurt riding. My quad flipped over and although I had a helmet on I got hit really hard in the head and tried to live with the headaches for a couple days. Trouble is, my right eye was crossing more and more each day.
So today I went to the emergency room. After waiting many hours I got to meet my "doctor" who was a total A hole. See, I have dyed hair and tattoos and it may appear that I am a " drug seeker" from ones perception.
I had a cat scan and a urine sample I had to give. The reason I had to give the urine was supposedly to see if there was BLOOD in it. I told the doc that there was no blood in my urine but he demanded a sample. I wasn't even hit anywhere near that area. I knew why he wanted a sample, he had me labeled from the start.
Well that Mofo did a full 9 panel analysis on me, showing positive for opiates, and it turns out that I have FRACTURED THE BONES AROUND MY EYE and that MY EYE MUSCLES WERE CAUGHT UP IN THE BROKEN BONES AND REQUIRE SURGERY IN A WEEK.
The big kick in the nuts was that he told me that he cannot write a prescription for my massive headaches because there were opiates in my system. I told him that these opiates were legally prescribed. At this point I asked for Ambien because I havent slept correctly in days and he stated that it was a controlled substance too and would not prescribe it.
Prescription Recieved : Ibuprofen 800mg
I tore it up right in front of him, and against my better judgement, I told him that I would self medicate. He told me that he cannot stop that and I said, "you're [censored] right you can't". Funny he had the DEA numbers scratched into oblivion on his ibuprofen script. As if I would forge his [censored] numbers and go to jail for lousy Hydro. He treated me like a total addict. This is bullshit. My head is pounding. My bones around my eye are shattered. Ibuprofen?
well, i expected this. any comments otheriwse?
thanks all,
bill
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#250734 - 10/26/05 09:56 PM
Re: well I wasn't really surprised....
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Pooh-Bah
Registered: 10/30/02
Posts: 1393
Loc: Southern, US
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Hey all,
Last week I got in an accident on my ATV. I live in Pennsylvania and there is a lot of ATV stuff to do out here. I also happen to be a mechanic for a Yamaha Dealership.
Well, I got hurt riding. My quad flipped over and although I had a helmet on I got hit really hard in the head and tried to live with the headaches for a couple days. Trouble is, my right eye was crossing more and more each day.
So today I went to the emergency room. After waiting many hours I got to meet my "doctor" who was a total A hole. See, I have dyed hair and tattoos and it may appear that I am a "drug seeker" from ones perception.
I had a cat scan and a urine sample I had to give. The reason I had to give the urine was supposedly to see if there was BLOOD in it. I told the doc that there was no blood in my urine but he demanded a sample. I wasn't even hit anywhere near that area. I knew why he wanted a sample, he had me labeled from the start.
Well that Mofo did a full 9 panel analysis on me, showing positive for opiates, and it turns out that I have FRACTURED THE BONES AROUND MY EYE and that MY EYE MUSCLES WERE CAUGHT UP IN THE BROKEN BONES AND REQUIRE SURGERY IN A WEEK.
The big kick in the nuts was that he told me that he cannot write a prescription for my massive headaches because there were opiates in my system. I told him that these opiates were legally prescribed. At this point I asked for Ambien because I havent slept correctly in days and he stated that it was a controlled substance too and would not prescribe it.
Prescription Recieved : Ibuprofen 800mg
I tore it up right in front of him, and against my better judgement, I told him that I would self medicate. He told me that he cannot stop that and I said, "you're [censored] right you can't". Funny he had the DEA numbers scratched into oblivion on his ibuprofen script. As if I would forge his [censored] numbers and go to jail for lousy Hydro. He treated me like a total addict. This is bullshit. My head is pounding. My bones around my eye are shattered. Ibuprofen?
well, i expected this. any comments otheriwse?
thanks all,
bill
Another doctor is the best solution. It might be obvious,.. but that is rediculous man.
If your in pain, acute pain,.. Get the records, x-rays etc,.. And if you HAVE to,.. use a ROP. Ie: Yourpainmanagement.com - Youronlinedoctor.com - or Norcoworldwide.com
They will script you what you need,.. If you have shattered bones, then that can be easily seen on an xray, and there should be no question.
I would see a local doc to further document this,.. (A different one),.. Perhaps a walk-in clinic,.. and get a small script of Hydro or whatnot prescribed. Get copies of the records,. and do what you think is necessary.
Hope you get some relief.
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"Efforts and courage are not enough, without purpose and direction."
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#250743 - 10/27/05 04:12 AM
Re: well I wasn't really surprised....
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Threadhead
Registered: 04/20/05
Posts: 811
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Hey all,
Last week I got in an accident on my ATV. I live in Pennsylvania and there is a lot of ATV stuff to do out here. I also happen to be a mechanic for a Yamaha Dealership.
Well, I got hurt riding. My quad flipped over and although I had a helmet on I got hit really hard in the head and tried to live with the headaches for a couple days. Trouble is, my right eye was crossing more and more each day.
So today I went to the emergency room. After waiting many hours I got to meet my "doctor" who was a total A hole. See, I have dyed hair and tattoos and it may appear that I am a "drug seeker" from ones perception.
I had a cat scan and a urine sample I had to give. The reason I had to give the urine was supposedly to see if there was BLOOD in it. I told the doc that there was no blood in my urine but he demanded a sample. I wasn't even hit anywhere near that area. I knew why he wanted a sample, he had me labeled from the start.
Well that Mofo did a full 9 panel analysis on me, showing positive for opiates, and it turns out that I have FRACTURED THE BONES AROUND MY EYE and that MY EYE MUSCLES WERE CAUGHT UP IN THE BROKEN BONES AND REQUIRE SURGERY IN A WEEK.
The big kick in the nuts was that he told me that he cannot write a prescription for my massive headaches because there were opiates in my system. I told him that these opiates were legally prescribed. At this point I asked for Ambien because I havent slept correctly in days and he stated that it was a controlled substance too and would not prescribe it.
Prescription Recieved : Ibuprofen 800mg
I tore it up right in front of him, and against my better judgement, I told him that I would self medicate. He told me that he cannot stop that and I said, "you're [censored] right you can't". Funny he had the DEA numbers scratched into oblivion on his ibuprofen script. As if I would forge his [censored] numbers and go to jail for lousy Hydro. He treated me like a total addict. This is bullshit. My head is pounding. My bones around my eye are shattered. Ibuprofen?
well, i expected this. any comments otheriwse?
thanks all,
bill
Why on earth is there a one week wait for the surgery? Shatttered facial bones = emergency surgery. Not one part of your story sounds as if it happened in a US hospital. Letting you leave the hospital with conditions such as you stated is perhaps the worst case of medical malpractice I have ever heard of. BTW: A urinalysis would be a routine procedure for any accident like you had. Not for a drug screen though. The only way they could have legally done a drug screen without your permission is if LE was involved. The lack of a pain killer prescription is the least of your worries.
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#250745 - 10/27/05 04:25 AM
Re: well I wasn't really surprised....
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Registered: 09/05/05
Posts: 160
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That Dr. is bigot!! He based everything on his perception of the way you dress or the way you looked!! That is discrimination to 10th power!! I can't believe how they get away with this stuff, but they do! I know, been there!! The only difference is that I am a woman, and they immediately think we are stupid or our little emotional brains can't fathom what they are talking about, or we are just "hysterical or hypochondriacs" when it comes to symptoms and pain.
I walked around for at least 10 years with Multiple Sclerosis, had some serious painful attacks, and they did 2 back surgeries on me that I prob. didn't even need, as the symptoms were central nerve damage and remained after the surgeries, but the highly eduuumaaakated Neurosurgeon couldn't friggen figure out I had MS!!
Go to a different doctor, this guy is on a mission, obviously, because he ran that panel on you from the get go!!
Good Luck!
Peace~
KIWI1
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#250753 - 10/27/05 05:49 AM
Re: well I wasn't really surprised....
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Pooh-Bah
Registered: 10/30/02
Posts: 1393
Loc: Southern, US
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I think I would ask a lawyer about this, but it seems to me that this doctor can be sued for defimation of character.
Oh this could be a legal nightmare for the MD in question if you wanted to spend the effort. America, land of the sue.
Defamation of character is just the beginning of allegations that could be brought against this man or woman.. I assume it's a he, as I think you mentioned such in your OP.
When I heard of defamation,.. I knew what it was generally,.. but I thought a little explanation might be nice for others --
Skip this part if you are a defamation expert. 
Defamation is an injury to the reputation or character of someone resulting from the false statements or actions of another. Defamation is a false attack on your good name. Your good name is regarded as a proprietary interest, not a personal interest. Defamation is an improper and unlawful attack against your proprietary right to your good name, your reputation.
It's a very legal issue,.. however,.. I'm not big on "sueing" people. It's seems to be the knee-jerk reaction every American has these days. I don't blame people, because we have no other recourse of immediate action other than violence,.. which is unnaceptable.
In any event --
I do like the advice to go see an opthomologist. Very, very good idea.
They are MD's,.. (Meaning they can prescribe something for Pain..) And they would be great to examine your eye(s).
You said your eye was "crossing",.. there is something definitely non-kosher occuring here man,.. and your eyes are too valuable of a thing to just sit around on. The story almost sounds surreal to me. I can't believe a Doctor would be this incompetantly incompassionate with such a serious injury.
Perhaps a Fractured Finger,.. maybe..
But fractured, or worse, bones surrounding an eye that isn't moving properly? Yeesh,.. that's serious. That has also deemed requitive of surgery.
Don't wait,.. go get a second opinion,.. go see another doctor.. OUT of that hospital.. It is highly unlikely you would be treated the same way with such an injury. I just don't see it occuring.
Inform them straight up,.. That your eye is physically moving, involuntarily,.. of the pain, of the crushed bones.. etc.
It must be clearly evident, even visually by now that something is terribly wrong with that area?
Was the area "fresh" and looked "better" than it was, when you first saw the Doc? Is it bruised and swollen now?
The last thing you want is for the bones to start to mesh with each other and start the healing process without corrective surgury. The bones of your face work as a singular unit, giving you the features that make up "YOU", your look.
If this story is indeed as gruesome as it sounds.. you need:
A) Immediate attention,.. Go now, today-- after you read this.. Seriously..
B) You need something for the pain,.. As I assume it must be excruciating,.. Hydrocodone at least,.. Perhaps something stronger till surgery. I don't know your opiate niavety,.. However the drug testing that showed opiates in your blood stream might proove you need a bit stronger dose than someone who was niave. If this is the case,.. make sure you get whatever is necessary to alleviate the pain.
C) The surgery needs to be done ASAP. Make sure it's a good surgeon, (orthopaedic).. a surgeon versed in Cosmetic/Plastic surgery techniques would be nice. However, the immediate realignment of the bones needs to be addressed, so proper healing can take place. The longer you wait, the harder it will be to get things done properly. Your bones start "sealing" or growing between the "gaps". If the gaps are too large, and/or the bones cannot be aligned without external modification.. Alloy metals are used to maintain pressure and correct alignment.
D)Post Op - Care, and painmanagement will need to be addressed as well. Ibuprofen just doesn't cut it with something of this severity, and I'm still in awe of the sheer malpractice exhibited.
E)Take care of your health first,.. if you wish to pursue the avenue of law,.. To perhaps prevent future patients from being treated this way, more power to you, and I wish you much luck in your endeavor.
Let us know how the story unfolds..
Hope you feel better,
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"Efforts and courage are not enough, without purpose and direction."
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#250755 - 10/27/05 06:07 AM
Re: well I wasn't really surprised....
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Pooh-Bah
Registered: 10/30/02
Posts: 1393
Loc: Southern, US
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OMG kiwii, they pt you through surgeries, and then found out it was MS, I hope you did something about that, how can a neuro not even know to do CT Scans and stuff and look for MS, and to put you the heck of surgeries for nothing, OMG
I was thinking the same thing -- however Multiple Sclerosis is often a very hard Disease to correctly diagnose.
Probable MS is Diagnosed by either:
2 attacks and clinical evidence of 1 lesion
1 attack and clinical evidence of 2 separate lesions
1 attack, clinical evidence of 1 lesion, and paraclinical evidence of another separate lesion.
Definite MS is Diagnosed by clear evidence of two seperate lesions and two attacks.
Generally MS is diagnosed as a final conclusion after ruling out a plethora of many other diseases.. The battery of tests can go on for months and/or years before a final definitive Dx has been determined.
Often the first signs of neurological distress/disease are simply dismissed as a Pinched nerve, or a side effect of a virus, et al.
What is even worse is most PCP's, the first line of defense one usually see's when vertigo or any other symptoms present themselves have only a handful of MS cases on their case history. They might have seen a half dozen during their Residence at certain hospitals.. They have very limited knowledge to draw upon, and after a series of dx's, that all turn up to be unfounded,.. They then refer you to a neurologist, who's knowledge is vastly more specific. Although it still can take much time to come to the ultimate conclusion.
Basically -- There are a number of demyelinating conditions of unknown aetiology which are self-limiting and strike only once. In order to diagnose MS, there must be at least two episodes separated by at least one month and the location of the lesions must be in a least two distinct sites in the central nervous system.
As you can see it takes time,.. there are more serious conditions to rule out, and then less serious conditions to rule out. It's complicated,..
It's sort of like diagnosing aids, without a specific test.. The Doctor doesn't want to tell you, you have this horrific disorder unless he/she is absolutely unequivocally positive this is the case. Neither do you want to hear it, but you want some explanation!
Oh well, enough on MS,.. you get the idea --
To put you through surgeries,.. that is very unfortunate, but doctors are not infallable,.. We can all attest to this,.. they are just like you and I,.. and Some diseases manifest themselves with so many system that are representative of so many other diseases it's hard to pin-point. As was mentioned earlier..
Sorry to get off topic -- But the constant flow of "horror" stories regarding doctors is just blowing my mind. It seems everyone has one of varying degree's,.. me included.
Thank god for the Good Doctors, but they can be a curse as well. =/
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"Efforts and courage are not enough, without purpose and direction."
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#250757 - 10/27/05 06:18 AM
Re: well I wasn't really surprised....
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GRAND Pooh-Bah
Registered: 03/25/04
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well here what I get about defimation of character, so this I would think would apply if this doctor wrote anything in your chart that he thinks you were a person seeking meds because he found opiates in your urine, which by the way I thought you had to be made aware of when such a test is done, but anyway here goes my idea of my statement: Defamation is written or spoken injury to a person or organization's reputation Libel is the written act of defamation, vs. slander, the oral act of defamation. Avoid the impression of malice. State the facts, and then state your opinion separately. This keeps things clear in your mind. All wrong: "My neighbor John Smith is a stinking lush." This is wildly defamatory: an unproven, judgmental ("stinking" and "lush" instead of "alcoholic") statement about a private individual. Getting better: "Governor Smith consumed 14 glasses of whiskey last night at The Watering Hole Bar. In my opinion he's an alcoholic." The proof is a bit hazy getting drunk once does not prove alcoholism but a governor is a public figure with less protection than John Smith, you have clearly separated fact from opinion, and there is no particular evidence of malice. Pretty safe: "Governor Smith consumed 14 glasses of whiskey last night at The Watering Hole Bar. I wouldn't be surprised to learn he's an alcoholic." This is entirely fact, with no clear evidence of malice, about a public figure. What defamation is not. Generally, a statement made about an undefinable group of people or organizations cannot be defamation. Take, "Real estate agents are crooks." It's defamatory enough, but there is no identifiable victim. "Most of the agents at Smith Real Estate Company are crooks" is getting dicier, but it is still hard to define the victim. "Smith Real Estate Company is a crooked company." Wham! You have a victim: Smith Real Estate Company. Here is an example but it has to do with the employee/employer http://www.gottrouble.com/legal/employment/defamation.html#defamedHow can I show that I was defamed? Each state has its own defamation of character laws. Generally, though, if your employer is spreading lies about you that damage your career (e.g., by causing you to lose a future job), you might have a lawsuit for defamation. Your case will be stronger (and you might recover "punitive damages") if you can show that your employer acted "maliciously". If someone heard your employer say something like "I'm going to say whatever I need to make sure she never works in this town again," you've probably got a much stronger case. Facts, not opinions You may sue for defamation only if your former employer made a statement of fact, not opinion. If he tells someone that you were "a lousy worker," that's just his opinion. But if your boss tells someone that you "stole money from the company," that is a specific fact statement that might allow you to sue for defamation. What if the statement was true? If the statement was true, you will lose your defamation of character lawsuit. So think carefully before you sue. If there is a trial, the employer might try to show that the statement was true - further damaging your reputation. Job references and defamation What if your former employer told lies to another company that asked for a job reference? False statements of fact could give rise to a suit for defamation, particularly if these lies cause the new employer to refuse to hire you. To avoid this problem, some employers have adopted a policy of giving out only your dates of employment. If you need more So lets say that this doctor has made these staements about you, and because of it you are unable to find the pain releif you need because he lets say put on record that you had opiates in your urine and labeled you a seeker, then in my eyes that would be a defamation of your character, IMO
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#250758 - 10/27/05 06:23 AM
Re: well I wasn't really surprised....
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GRAND Pooh-Bah
Registered: 03/25/04
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OMG kiwii, they pt you through surgeries, and then found out it was MS, I hope you did something about that, how can a neuro not even know to do CT Scans and stuff and look for MS, and to put you the heck of surgeries for nothing, OMG
Hey Rat it took a full year for me to get a definitive MS diagnosis. It took MRI's spaced a year apart to identify any changes in the cord and brain lesions. It took two very painful spinal taps and other things that were decidely unpleasant. MS can be a very difficult diagnosis.
no doubt it is hard to DX, my youngest Sister has it, but from what she told me they found it with a CT scan which I did find odd, I thought there many other tests to find that you have MS,
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#250760 - 10/27/05 06:33 AM
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Pooh-Bah
Registered: 10/30/02
Posts: 1393
Loc: Southern, US
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There are many other tests..
Ie: Romburgs, Gait and Coordination, Heel/Shin Test, L'Hermittes sign, Optic Neuritis, Hearing loss, Muscle Strength, Reflexes, Babinkski's, Chaddoks Dolls Eye and Hoffmans Sign, and Sensory to test the level of sensory in certain areas of your body.
However, as the names might indicate , these tests are also used to Dx many other diseases.. These tests are more to see which signs are most exhibited, to determine a probable diagnosis, and from whence you work towards specifying the exact condition you suffer from. Or, simply reaffirming a hypothesized Dx of MS.
Your sister said they found it with a CT scan,.. that was probably the final conclusion -- I am not saying she went through all of the tests some go through, but once they have a pretty good idea of what it is, then positively identify two seperate lesions,. or sometimes a single lesion Via the Imaging, they can further Diagnose. As seems to be your sisters case.
What is the prognosis for MS? I'm sure you know all about it from your sister,... Is it something you can live a full life with? Or does it limit your life-span? I suspect it can limit your functions as it, perhaps, becomes degenerative on your CNS functions over the years,.. but does it go into remission?
Hmm..
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#250762 - 10/27/05 06:42 AM
Re: well I wasn't really surprised....
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GRAND Pooh-Bah
Registered: 03/25/04
Posts: 8800
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well that does make more sense, but I will say that she may have consused a Ct scan with an MRI as she does not know the difference of the 2, but they did find this lesions, but I don't recall her having a spinal tap, she was prompted to see a doc for this when she lost the muscle control in her leg and had a car accident, and she was just 26 when this was found, but I will not sugar coat my lil sis, she is a drug seeker, and has been in and out of rehabs most of her life, and she is also a heavy drinker, and she does use this MS dx as a weapon to get any kind of pain med she can get her hands on, this includes doc shopping etc.. It is quite sad, then she wanted the morphine pump inplanted and when she had to go for a phsycotic exam before they would even think about that, she of course failed that, and her charts clearly state that she is an abuser of prescription meds. While it hurts that this has happened to her, I still cannot find the sympathy that I should have for her at all, they toook her son away because of her drug adictions, the whole thing is just so sad, and I refuse to help her and I will not tell her about ROP's because she would only abuse the system. She is still in Florida, I am the only one and my older sister that moved to NY in 94, but I am moving back down, but I don't want to be near her or let her know that I am back, that may sound mean, but she has stolen meds from our Mom and our Grandmother so many times that I feel that I just don't want her around me or my son.
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