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#218243 - 09/07/05 05:50 AM LL in Canada ??
triamag Offline
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Registered: 07/30/05
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I read about people having received LL in the US.
Could someone comment about experiencing LL in Canada ??

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#218244 - 09/07/05 06:33 AM Re: LL in Canada ??
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I read an article that was posted on DB yesterday and it was talking about how Canada and US officials have gotten together to get rid of OP's. I know that a lot of Canada OP's used to have controlled med's but know none of them do. Not even with a valid prescription. I do not know if this helped at all. I have never recv'd a LL (knock on wood)!
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#218245 - 09/07/05 06:37 PM Re: LL in Canada ??
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I found this at http://www.freedomtoread.ca/censorship_in_canada/censor08.asp


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Prohibitions. When a shipment is prohibited entry, you are supposed to receive the rest of Form K 27: Part B, the Notice of Determination, which lists the prohibited goods and the reason for prohibition. You have 90 days from the date on the K27B to appeal, but sometimes you don't receive the K 27 until that period has expired or is almost up, so be prepared to act quickly when you receive it.

Form K 27 gives you three options:

You can have the goods sent back at your expense. This is quite inconvenient, because Canada Post can't handle illegal goods. You can escort the goods personally or, more likely, have a bonded courier go to the border point and pick them up under Customs supervision. The border point may be distant, and Canada Customs doesn't go out of its way to make it easy. You have to fill out Form E15.


You can abandon them to Canada Customs.

You can appeal the ruling, first with a Tariff and Values Administrator (TVA) at the customs office or regional office where the goods were imported. To appeal, you fill out Form B 2 (Request for Review, Redetermination or Reappraisal) and file it with a customs office within 90 days of the date of the determination shown on Form K 27B. Form B 2 asks for the "classification number," which refers to the tariff classification number for the type of goods, not the "control number" on Form K 27 (which refers to the particular shipment). If you don't know the classification number, call your nearest Canada Customs information line and ask. Instructions for filling in Form B 2 are found in an internal directive, Memorandum D11-6-1, available to importers only on request.
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#218246 - 09/07/05 07:48 PM Re: LL in Canada ??
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Could you please tell me what LL stands for? I can tell it can't be good! Thanks
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#218247 - 09/07/05 07:51 PM Re: LL in Canada ??
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A Love Letter is a seizure notice sent by customs when they confiscate medication (or whatever they don't want to allow) ordered overseas.
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#218248 - 09/07/05 08:18 PM Re: LL in Canada ??
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Thanks, I wish there was a list of abbreviations. It sure would make things easier. Thanks again.
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#218249 - 09/07/05 08:20 PM Re: LL in Canada ??
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There actually is a list of abbreviations on this site,..I will try to find it....
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#218250 - 09/07/05 08:28 PM Re: LL in Canada ??
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Here's the link for the abbreviations..

http://www.drugbuyers.com/freeboard/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/5299/an/0/page/0#5299
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#218251 - 09/07/05 08:53 PM Re: LL in Canada ??
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Thank you so much. I feel it would be helpful if this link were posted on the welcome forum periodically. Thanks again.
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#218252 - 09/23/05 12:07 PM Re: LL in Canada ??
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I have a friend who lives in Toronto. She ordered from an IOP and received a seizure letter from Canadian Customs. So it definitely can happen. Ironically, she ordered low dosage codeine (but mixed with ibuprofen instead of Tylenol) and it was taken even though codeine products are available over the counter there.
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#218253 - 09/23/05 12:15 PM Re: LL in Canada ??
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in so many other countries codiene is over the counter, and there gov't doesn't seem to have a problem with it, but here in the US God forbid if someone needs a narcitic pain med.
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#218254 - 09/23/05 12:18 PM Re: LL in Canada ??
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You can buy codiene over the counter in Canada?????


Geez, We here in the us tote our country as the freeist in the world.... Not really true I guess..


I live about 6 hours from Canada and let me tell you... the drive is looking really good right now..lol

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#218255 - 10/05/05 07:42 AM Re: LL in Canada ??
stickman Offline
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Quote:

You can buy codiene over the counter in Canada?????


Geez, We here in the us tote our country as the freeist in the world.... Not really true I guess..


I live about 6 hours from Canada and let me tell you... the drive is looking really good right now..lol




Yes but you can only buy Tylenol 1 7mg Codeine OTC in Canada, anything stronger and you do need a prescription.

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#218256 - 11/26/05 07:54 AM Re: LL in Canada ??
edarrine Offline
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Registered: 01/28/03
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Loc: Canada
Quote:

You can buy codiene over the counter in Canada?????


Geez, We here in the us tote our country as the freeist in the world.... Not really true I guess..


I live about 6 hours from Canada and let me tell you... the drive is looking really good right now..lol




Its called propaganda.

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#218257 - 04/02/06 06:19 AM Re: LL in Canada ??
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where i live, the pharmacist now comes out and asks a lot of questions when you buy mersyndol especially a bottle of 100.It is just a question of time before Health Canada steps in and puts restrictions on these products.

I used to take mersynsol for arthritis but it causes such problems with constipation that I gave it up and now take SAME which is also available as OTC. And it helps a lot and is a lot more natural.

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#218258 - 07/25/06 03:27 PM Re: LL in Canada ??
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LLs are rare in Canada, but do happen. I received my first last week, and have been ordering from overseas sources for more than two years. Could be just bad luck, or maybe Canada Customs is cracking down.

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#218259 - 07/25/06 06:35 PM Re: LL in Canada ??
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Canada cracking down on its OPS will just lead to unemployment. I read that 15% of Saskatchewan's pharmacists are employed by Internet Pharmacies.
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#218260 - 07/29/06 06:39 PM Re: LL in Canada ??
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Canada cracking down on its OPS will just lead to unemployment. I read that 15% of Saskatchewan's pharmacists are employed by Internet Pharmacies.




No way. Pharmacy is a GROWING business in Canada... just like it is in the US, but % wise, it's even bigger in Canada.
You have the largest demographic age group, aging. You have a socialized health care system, so when people do need to go see a doc, they go for free. You actually have meds that are affordable without insurance. And you have Americans coming over to Canada in bus loads just to fullfil their prescriptions.

5 years ago, i doubt there was a single 24 hr pharmacy around me. And certainly all the pharmacies were small, even the national chains like Shopper Drug Marts are small. I'm still in the same area, and there's 4 Shoppers Drug Marts within a 5min drive from me. 2 of them are 24/7. ALL of them are the huge drug stores that carries eventhing from cosmetics to milk and bacon.

And there are other chains as well, with stores such as big. Even actual grocery stores now have pharmacies in them. Unemployment? I doubt it. The only thing wrong with getting into pharmacy is that it's a boring profession..

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#218261 - 08/05/06 01:20 PM Re: LL in Canada ??
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Registered: 07/03/04
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Stickman!
Just to clarify...I live in Canada...you can buy tylenol with acetomenophin 500mgs of ac. + 8mgs of codeine and 8mgs of Caffiene in each pill.
Bottles of 200 tablets are about 8.99$ (CAD)
You can also buy the ac and c version..which is exactly the same, but has asprin instead of tylenol in it!
Hope this helps!!!
Happy trails...hope ya visit us soon!!!!
Sharky
Btw...I am glad for the posts, I ahve always, always wondered what would happen if our iopm meds were siezed by customs...now I have an answer...so thank you!!! Great work! Great sharing!
You are all so nice!

Sharky



Edited by 4sharkgirl (08/05/06 01:29 PM)
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#218262 - 09/15/06 05:27 PM Re: LL in Canada ??
4sharkgirl Offline
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I'm confused???
How on earth do we have medications that are affordable without insurance??
that one gets me.
I pay out the ying yang for my prescriptions. I'm prety sure there is no difference between how much an American Citizen will pay for a bottle of Diazepam compared to a Canadian. (although that is a cheap med) But you know what I mean.
Am I missing something here?
Sharky
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#218263 - 09/15/06 07:35 PM Re: LL in Canada ??
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Registered: 05/03/05
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I have made 75 orders with IOP's since March of 2005. I have had 7 of them intercepted. Five by Canada Customs which were re-sealed and sent to me. It adds about 2 weeks to the delivery. I have had one verified by Health Canada where one of the capsules was in a little bag, the capsule was empty and there was some scribbling on a sticker on the bag, I assumed it was tested. The product was Tramadol and this added 4 weeks to the delivery. The last one I've gotten was a warning telling me how to obtain medicine legally and that what I had ordered was considered illegal but they let me keep the medication and they told me the next time it would be confiscated.

I ordered from the same source one month later and it zipped right through.

The first 6 were from Thailand and the last one from Turkey.

Hope this helps set your mind at ease.

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#218264 - 09/18/06 02:45 PM Re: LL in Canada ??
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WornDown, I think you've got it right. Canada Customs does intercept packages from overseas, but it's rare and their policies are inconsistent, at best. I received an LL about a pack from Romania, but the re-ship got through fine.

Strangely enough, the only package coming to me that is still "missing in action" is from the U.S. Four months later, no package, no LL.

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#218265 - 11/20/06 06:45 PM Re: LL in Canada ??
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Registered: 11/09/06
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Loc: Canada
I've only made a few order as of now but have yet to receive a LL...hopefully this good trend will continue :P
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#589955 - 10/29/07 10:59 AM Re: LL in Canada ?? [Re: sports6654]
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Registered: 09/18/07
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Does anyone know if these LL's come as registered mail in Canada? Today I received two parcel pickup notifications in my mailbox as I wasn't home. One says it's a parcel, it's meds, I know who it's from as i was tracking it online and the other is a "LETTER"! I was expecting 3 orders ( one has been MIA for almost 2 months)but as far as I know only one was sent registered mail(the above one I was expecting). Kind of ironic in a sense though, picking up meds and a LL at the same time....lol.

Safe to say this is probably a LL then? Do they say what type of med it is in the LL? That way I'll know who sent it at least.

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#590798 - 10/30/07 04:45 PM Re: LL in Canada ?? [Re: majik12]
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Turns out it wasn't a LL. Was meds sent without proper postage so I had to pay the difference...better than nothing I say!
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#592954 - 11/02/07 09:33 PM Re: LL in Canada ?? [Re: majik12]
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No LL's here. (crossed fingers) Just one government letter for an order of Soma/carisoprodol from mastersmarketing. There is a loophole in the US where they can import a 90day supply of NON controlled meds for personal consumption. MastersMarketing uses this loophole by stating on the outside of the box the exact DEA exception. This exception does not apply in Canada but after sitting in customs for almost 2months they decided to send it on to me anyways.
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#603352 - 11/21/07 04:45 PM Re: LL in Canada ?? [Re: karmapolice]
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Just received my first LL. Meds came from Pakistan. Pretty much just a form letter, nothing at all threatening about it. More like a formailty than them telling me to not do it. Nice to see the government give one the benefit of the doubt....lol.
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#604053 - 11/23/07 11:14 PM Re: LL in Canada ?? [Re: majik12]
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yikes....... could you give me a hint of the IOP? Im still LL free... anyone ordered from PurevidaRX to canada?
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#604223 - 11/24/07 02:44 PM Re: LL in Canada ?? [Re: karmapolice]
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 Originally Posted By: karmapolice
yikes....... could you give me a hint of the IOP? Im still LL free... anyone ordered from PurevidaRX to canada?


I'll give ya a hint...starts with Offshore and ends with Pharma....lol. \:D I do read that almost anything that comes from pakistan is going to be searched due to the stuff thats going on over there. I'm glad I got the first half of the order at least.

AND to top it off, I've had 2 packages sitting at customs in Vancouver, one since Nov 17th and the other since Nov 21!! (iop gave online tracking number). It's making me kind of nervous and I'm hoping the LL i received didn't somehow red flag my home address!!

Edit: also wanted to add that the love letter wasn't even a warning, I'd be more worried if it was even the slightest bit threatening, but wasn't at all. just said i wasn't allowed to import those types of meds into canada, and that was pretty mch it. I will scan it, if anyone is interested in reading it.


Edited by majik12 (11/24/07 02:48 PM)

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#604241 - 11/24/07 03:36 PM Re: LL in Canada ?? [Re: majik12]
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Got my first LL last week (live in Canada, order from OS4U). Also, i got a pa