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#892743 - 06/04/09 09:57 PM
Re: oxy in Canada?
[Re: Repteur]
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Registered: 01/20/08
Posts: 137
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repteur, i find that hard to believe.
First, prescripion privileges vary from doctor to doctor and we are in this country going toward replacing our general practitioners with nurse practitioners ( the main reason being money of course). Only the specialists will remain.
I have a husband who is quite old now, has been through many major illnesses, but the specialist prefers to give him the steroid injections rather than the percocet. I am not sure if percocet is the same as hydro but it sure was helping him, he is now just an old man who has never taken drugs or alcohol all his life. But the last time he visited his pain clinic, it seemed that panic had set it again, and out came the forms that no more medicines would be prescribed (I figure maybe people sell these drugs, there has to be a reason why pain clinics have such a difficult time).
He is quite old now my husband, and it seems just ridiculous to be told by a physician that you might become addicted in your seventies. Like who cares, you deserve to live the rest of your life without pain but I fear that many of us will die in pain with no much medical compassion.
It is the great age of incompetence in many areas, (we see it everywhere because people don't stay long enough to learn anything), the great era of incompetence in medicine with young practitioners and nurse practitioners given very little leeway to help. If you go to a sleep clinic be careful, in Canada, they are really keen on that driver's license being taken away until the sleep apnea is resolved, but they won't tell you that when you get there.
I do agree with the admin on this board, however, ordering controlled substances on the internet is simply asking for trouble.
The other way is to go alternative, study it, and you might find some surprises. I am talking about soft medicines, not something dreadful like phenibut and ambien. You want something that will help your mind, not destroy it. It is after all your most precious asset.
I still think that good old medicines like valium which could relieve spasms should be given back to patients without all the nonsense that we can't control ourselves. Let's vote to take the alcohol off the shelves and replace the stuff with something more decent to help an aging population.
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#992509 - 01/15/10 10:17 AM
Re: oxy in Canada?
[Re: Ontario]
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Journeyman
Registered: 01/01/10
Posts: 77
Loc: my couch
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Well, we have nobody to blame for this but those morons who poke holes in thier arms for oxy. I ruined my right arm. (atleast it still works.....kinda) I have had 3 forearm surgeries,2 elbow surgeries and and 4 shoulder surgeries. My right arm is covered in scars from the incisions. Anyways, I have some metal here and there, a couple pins, and my lunate and scaphoid are false, some kind of titanium/plastic type thingy. I got to see them before they put them in. The Bone specialist showed me what he was going to do each time I had a surgery. Anyways, surgeon puts me on Dilaudid whie in hospital, then sent home with 90X 5/325 Percocet. I was to go see him every week for the first month, then every month for 6 months. He was giving me far and above "standard of care" he realized I was in pain, and had been through the whole rocky road, after all, he was the one who performed all of the surgeries. Well I asked him what I am going to do when my six months is up, and I am still in tears in pain(being a grown man)? HE said well, thats why I have been taking good care of your pain, because I fear for you when your FD takes over. He said, "Here's whats going to happen, your going to return to your Family Doctor, he is going to be pissed off at me for you being physically dependant on Oxycodone, he is going to taper you off immediately. You can count on your next prescription to be 2.5/325 instead of the dose Im giving you now.(I was upped to the 7.5/500??? or 10/500???? by this time) You are then going to still be in pain, he will prescribe what he feels you need, as you are in his care, and what I do, nor my opinion means nothing to him." I said to myself, uh-oh! Well, this is exactly what happened. Except once I reached the 2.5/325, I laid the line down. I told my doctor, "I am in pain, I want to die, I am in so much pain, I don't feel I am being treated right, you are breking your oath" He said in some form or another that he will not prescribe oxycontin in any shape or form as a long term treatment. I said "fine, I want a new doctor, I don't know how you as a human can stand as stern as you are, and see me in this condition and feel nothing of sympathy." He told me good luck finding one. I said "anyone is better then you" and I went to a city. I found an older doctor, went in for the first visit, this took almost three weeks because there was a "hold up" on my origional doctors end on getting my medical records to him. I was upfront and assertive amd honest in my first visit. I told him my current doctor would not give me acces to pain control, so I am looking for another, you cannot prescribe me anything right now because I do hold a prescription for 2.5/325 Percocet. He said well, lets get you off that  I shaked as I heard those words as I thought to myself, this really is going to be hard, I am screwed. Then he said, Im putting you on Hydromorph Contin 12mg twice a day, and Im going to give you for now, two 2mg dilaudid tablets for in between, until we get the time-released drug at a stable dosage.  I was so happy to hear those words that I wil admit again, I cried I was so happy. He told me to go home and fetch my percocet prescription bottle, and come right back. I did as I was told, and he took my meds, and handed me a Rx for the new treatment. He said " Im going to take care of you if you take care of me." I asked, how do I take care of you, he said "by using your meds properly, and keep that honesty going". Off I went to fill my Rx for Hydromorph's and dilaudid's. The only stipulation we had was, that no e.r visits for pain meds, and he was not dishing out a bunch of dilaudid tablets every month, it was just until we could get the Hydromorph Contin dose right. For two years I have been on the same dose of 30mg Hydromorph Contin every 12 hours, and 30 Dilaudid 8mg tablets per month.  This doctor refused to put me on any Oxycodone drug, but after some researching I quickly learnt that hydromorphone was even stronger and more desirable to the morons I mentioned at the beginning. I call them all the same....morons. I to this day can't understand why he would use a stronger drug with hardly no hesitance, but just a flat no! to any drug that contains Oxycodone. My docotor told me Oxycodone has a ceiling dose, tolerance doesn't, but most of the mechanism's of the drug, does have a mg limit with oxycodone. So an abuser could take a ridiculous amount of Oxycodone, so much that they wouldn't get high, but it would kill them from the side-effects. He said hydromorphone is not like this, there is no ceiling dose, its safer for you. <- thats what my doc said. Current research shows much controvery over his theories. All I can say is, there are good ones out there, I was lucky and found one on my first try. Alot of difficulty switching but worth it. I have since had 2 surgeries, and no longer require potent opioids like such. DHC and Codeine suits me fine now.
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#1010864 - 03/02/10 10:50 AM
Re: oxy in Canada?
[Re: LeperLord]
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Board Addict
Registered: 11/29/04
Posts: 331
Loc: Southeastern U.S.
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Canada Analgesics (Prescription Only.....and controlled substances in many countries) Hycodan (hydrocodone Tartrate) Also, Hydrocodone Tartrate as a "multi-ingredient" as: Dalmacol, Dimetime Expectorant DC, Hycomine, Novahistex DH, Novahistine DH, ratio-Calmdone, ratio-Coristex-DH, Tussinex, Vasofrinic DH. Dilaudid and Hydromorph (Hydromorphone Hydrochloride) Metadole (Methodone) Kadian, M-Eslon, MOS, MS Contin, MSIR, (Morphine Tartrate) Oxy-IR, OxyContin, Supeudol (Oxycodone) Endocet, Endodan,Percocet, ratio-Oxycocet, rati-Oxycodan (all multi-ingredients) Talwin (Pentazocine) Darvon-N (Dextropropoxphene) Codeine Contin (Codeine) Demerol (Pethidine Hydroclhloride) Source: Martindale The Complete drug Reference. 36th edition.(2009) published by Pharmaceutical Press (the publishing organization of the Royal Pharmaceutical Society of Great Britain) a/k/a RPS Publishing (London, England) ISBN: 978-0-85369-840-1 ISSN 0263-5364 (Over 6,000 pages of ethical pharmaceuticals in forty countries: two volume set of books that weight almost 15 lbs.)
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