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#964228 - 11/17/09 07:40 AM
Re: Heybob being banned
[Re: heybob]
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Registered: 11/18/01
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Loc: DrugBuyers.Com
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#964362 - 11/17/09 12:16 PM
Re: Heybob being banned
[Re: 479abc]
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Registered: 11/15/02
Posts: 3679
Loc: USA
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Where is Stacy, I figured she would be here to defend him. Well if you must know, I just got online. I don't have anything that notifies me when a post is made. Also I work on proof of something and so far the proof has pointed straight to OTHER PEOPLE as scammers. I was the one that said something to heybob about he seeming like customer service if you will recall. FWIW, Admin banned another member last year as a "Customer Service Rep" of one of these places for emailing the contact they had at the place when people had problems. Or passing along information of delays when the vendor told them about delays. Generally sticking up for the vendor as they had NEVER scammed anyone. Since that person was not a CSR and they weren't a CSR and admin unbanned that person. When people buy from specific people and they get to know that person, the vendor always gets back to that person and will look into problems if the person emails them. It works that way in all business, it happens every day in real life. Just like with my work, if a friend or relative calls me about a problem one of their friends or relatives is having, I look into it immediately and get the issue resolved. That is nothing new. There are people here that emailed and pm'd heybob asking for his help in contacting a vendor about not hearing from them yet they aren't saying he should be back. That just doesn't seem right they are willing to ask someone for help, but yet they aren't speaking up for heybob now.
Edited by Stacy (11/17/09 12:22 PM)
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#964374 - 11/17/09 12:33 PM
Re: Heybob being banned
[Re: 479abc]
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Registered: 07/22/09
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Geeze! I am one of the people that was helped by Bob, although I don't believe I ever directly requested his help, I was appreciative for it. Heybob uses alot of vendors, as he can afford to do so. I believe he posts HONESTLY, I have never personally seen him Shill. I don't believe he is in "kahoots" with any vendors, I just believe he has different vendors for different meds, and that is his right, is it not? I know not every one here likes him, but really, is that a reason to ban him? Is it okay to ban him because he uses multiple vendors, and posts often? I don't personally think so. I think he was valuable to this site, had useful info on vendors, and posted honestly. I voted to have him unbanned.
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#964380 - 11/17/09 12:35 PM
Re: Heybob being banned
[Re: 479abc]
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Registered: 03/18/07
Posts: 255
Loc: The Great Midwest
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Where is Stacy, I figured she would be here to defend him. That is a good question, 479. Stacy seemed very concerned for heybob in all those threads in which other members started asking questions about his and/or accusing him of erratic behavior. Stacy strikes me as a very caring sort of person. I wish I had her kind of conviction. To ban bob, or to un-ban bob? I know not the answer... Was heybob a Shill? Was he part of some sort of half-baked scam revealed by the mutiny of one of its alleged members? Maybe was he really was just that naive, goodnatured and altruistic that he was willing to interject himself into situations which required him to facilitate illicit transactions between anonymous customers and anonymous vendors... ...even though most of them seemed to be going along quite fine without his intervention... Who's to say for certain? That is my question.
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#964382 - 11/17/09 12:38 PM
Re: Heybob being banned
[Re: 479abc]
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GRAND Pooh-Bah
Registered: 11/15/02
Posts: 3679
Loc: USA
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I was just wondering you seem to always be here, I think pro heybobers may be seeing things in a diff light. I voted to keep him, he did seem to have some useful info. And went to bat for some people. Well we have people that were quite happy to have him contact a vendor for them when they hadn't heard about the vendor, but they aren't saying much now. We also have the ADMITTED scammer and shill uluvme that has been trying now for a couple of weeks to get heybob banned. Seems the admitted scammer and Shill got his way.....him and his other 12 plus user names he said he had. So who is next on his list? Taz? Musician? There were others on uluvme's list. Oh btw, he also got one or two banned with the same MO before. The information I receieved about zeny directing a member to a FAKE email address for a vendor, came from heybob to me. The member came forward and zeny ADMITTED that is what he did. I'm not even mentioning the other info yet that has come to light because it doesn't have all the pieces yet and like I said, I'm all about proof. It doesn't matter if it is you, heybob, Taz, Musician or John Doe, I'm about proof and if there is proof I have no problem outting someone. I've yet to see proof and I've got a BS meter and I will gather info I see and watch, always have done that. So far, I've not seen the proof. Oh BTW Kimberly, you weren't one of the people I was speaking of. 
Edited by Stacy (11/17/09 12:40 PM)
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#964393 - 11/17/09 12:49 PM
Re: Heybob being banned
[Re: Kimberly555]
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Registered: 11/05/09
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I also voted to keep him, my honest opinion, and is just an opinion, is he did get free meds for posting on these places, he didn't actually have alot of paid for orders out in the bl. section from what i could tell but i could be wrong. It was misleading that right after admin. posted clearly rxint was a scam and the proof, the very next post heybob said well he jumped in and ordered anyway, he didn't say i ask for a sample, which i thought was misleading (though he did later say it was a sample, after he received it, but by then many could have jumped in thinking it was real order but then who's fault is that?)... and probably brought on some conflict of who to trust, admin's word or heybob.
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#964424 - 11/17/09 01:21 PM
Re: Heybob being banned
[Re: usop82]
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GRAND Pooh-Bah
Registered: 01/04/07
Posts: 4710
Loc: Somewhere In Time
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I think Bob's mistake was arguing with those that accused him of being a Shill. It made the threads so long and it got no where. So we saw so many posts by Bob. Maybe that is why that person kept the battle going. I would have ignored it because everyone already had their own opinion about Bob. I got in trouble for helping with Filling Healthy and I can say with complete honesty I never once got free pills and I did not ask for anything. To say Bob has nothing but time on his hands is wrong. He has a job and he is very busy. I remember when Bob was here before he was posting a lot just as he is now. I see no proof that he is a Shill. I think he needed to post less and ignore the people who attacked him but I know it is hard. I am thinking most places do not want attention brought to their site. I thought long and hard to be fair here. I can understand with so many posts why members would think he is shilling. Bob has helped to remove some blatant scammers and why I ask myself do they want him gone. Then too anyone can Shill by pm. I saw no evidence of that. I do like Bob but if I was sure he was a Shill I would say so.
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#964431 - 11/17/09 01:37 PM
Re: Heybob being banned
[Re: Stacy]
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GRAND Pooh-Bah
Registered: 02/07/09
Posts: 2965
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Stacy, Are you talking about the VIP email addy from Linda? I got one also, but was not suppose to mention the name on the board. I've known Heybob for a long time. He comes on here, makes a lot of big purchases and than he leaves. Nothing wrong with that. It's like stocking up. Many of us that know him, knows how he does it. Have the reliable one's been ripped off. "NO". Heybob has always took chances that many of us would never do. I would never say he is a Shill. That would mean for every BI site out there. His only flaw is telling too much on the board for his luck of receiving from new sites. He has also helped so many people on here, when he did not have to. He has always warned about what could happen. Here today, gone tomorrow. Heybob is a person that would gamble and take a chance with all of them. Then come back and tell us his experience. Maybe he spoke too much. Is he guilty of that? Check his post. See when he came back and all he does at the beginning is ask if certain places are still good and then he gets the feel of things and orders. You all depended on Bob. Anything can go sour in a heartbeat. I have mentioned this so many times. Never take one person's word, always read and do your own homework. It is your money, use it wisely. People come back and blame him for it. Makes me want to just shut my door of information. But I got all mine from doing my homework and reading. Plus reading post and going back to old threads. Maybe Bob should order from new places and not mention it to anybody. How would you all like that. I'm talking to the ones who want him banned of course. Everybody, please do your homework on this before you vote. It's all here, you just need to look. If he gets banned, it's not going to be because of me. That is for sure. I am one that goes after shills and scammers. Most of you know this. So why would I be defending Bob. There are shills that want him gone. I've said what I believe and I will leave it at that. Stacy is correct about her statement. Do you all want to go after Musician and I next and Stacy also. What are we guilty. Saving people from losing lots of their hard earned money? If Bob gets to stay I would expect him to stay to himself, but that is just not him.
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#964432 - 11/17/09 01:42 PM
Re: Heybob being banned
[Re: acesshex1]
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Registered: 07/11/08
Posts: 1148
Loc: Keeping it Real-Land
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My take - Ive known heybob now for about a year, have corresponded with him on here, and other places. IMO heybob is not a shiil, scammer, board manipulator, etc. But I don't think this is why admin banned him. He banned him for representing the sources interest. Did he in ernest mean to appear to be a rep? Nah, but that was the perception, and admin had no choice. A while back bob was warned about the rep'ing stuff and chose to continue. If he was allowed back, he probably wouldn't come back anyway. He is probably done with DB. Why? Because this is his posting style and he's just not going to change.
Lastly, I can care less where he gets his money, how many kids he has, etc. that stuff is irrelevent. The fact is he worked the sources to his advantage, and part of doing that was allowing the sources to know who he is. Which on this board is not welcomed and can be percieved as representing.
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#964448 - 11/17/09 02:07 PM
Re: Heybob being banned
[Re: jbol]
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GRAND Pooh-Bah
Registered: 11/15/02
Posts: 3679
Loc: USA
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Oh so heybob is the only one that can get in touch with cancunrx now? I guess the people that have ordered and received from cancunrx haven't been able to contact them either. Norma or cancunrx, either one or other vendors, heybob has not been the only one that can get in touch with the vendor. heybob is helpful to people no more helpful than many people here, others just are helpful to only certain people because of this very issue now. 479ABC, several people are in contact with him, uluvme/gatorbait made him have to make his email public. I don't think it is right that someone needs to prove themselves against an ADMITTED scammer and Shill at all. People haven't brought proof against heybob, just a lot of speculation.
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#964550 - 11/17/09 05:34 PM
Re: Heybob being banned
[Re: Stacy]
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Threadhead
Registered: 08/08/07
Posts: 825
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I voted to ban him because I saw him push down Admin's warnings about the rxintl.net (sp?) and how it was a total scam and he kept posting that people should be patient, should give some of these places time. Virtually all of the BI sites, if on the up and up, deliver within 48 hours and people had been waiting a week or two. He would give lots of excuses on why maybe they hadn't delivered them on time, maybe something happened, everyone is human etc. etc. Did everyone who ordered from that site receive their orders? I haven't read all the posts from that thread in the last few days but there were people who hadn't received anything. Then he posted he received samples from somewhere but people ordered and got flyers of circuses right?
And he was everywhere and confusing and posting only saying a couple of words, but posting back to back to back so that you might have 8 or 10 of his posts in a row and you had to put them all together just to get a paragraph.
I felt he had way too much inside information on these sites, that he obviously had some type of pull to be able to get these sites to ship to people, and I believe that it was leading up to a huge scam. I thought it was a little scary that he had so much information when other people who have ordered from BI sites for just as long or longer and/or with various BI sites (not meaning me) didn't even know who they were dealing with other than a first name that was probably fake.
I also didn't know whether to believe that he truly was ordering from all of these places or if it was a ploy to just completely confuse the entire BI section so that no one knew who to order from. And I didn't get in any flame wars but did feel they were starting to feel juvenile and little too much protesting for my liking. It was like watching my kids play the "I'll get the last word or die trying" game.
I have a couple of other reasons which will remain just with me, but those are things I wondered about over the last few weeks as it seemed that HB took over the BI section, said he was personally in contact with all these different people and talked like he was sitting around a table drinking a beer with them and passing along information from them and to them. Who does that? Most of us just want to quietly order, get the items and shut up.
Sorry I'm so longwinded. Being a fast typist is sometimes a handicap.
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#964657 - 11/17/09 07:20 PM
Re: Heybob being banned
[Re: Administrator]
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Registered: 07/14/07
Posts: 309
Loc: MY GIRL !
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You are right. It is called flaming... all flame wars are similar... and those doing it better stop before they are banned for doing it. All I will say is I've been around here a long time and I trust Admin to know more about the talk, the walk and more about the operations of a scammer or a Shill than we do. And He does. I didn't know Heybob nor did I post with him but I trust the mods and Admin to watch all information (public and private) and decide if it is legitamate for us to make a careful buying decision. That's what has separated DB from all the sites that have gone by the wayside. I'm sorry some of you lost a pal....but he may have just NOT been everyone's pal but a short few. Win a few hearts and minds and slowly but surely the rest will follow! MBS
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#964952 - 11/18/09 03:12 AM
Re: Heybob being banned
[Re: Tiades]
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Registered: 07/19/09
Posts: 1285
Loc: NW USA
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This probably wont make any difference but I can re-call about 2 weeks ago there was this one person that was causing an uproar that I found completley disgusting, perverted, adddimted to some information that was lied about then told the truth about. This person was discussing some obsence sexual commnets but why wasnt this person banned?? STacy you know who I am talking about?? All heybob did was find information for everyone eventually having to turn off his PM.s But this other person was a disgusting pervert talking about violence towards STacy and as I mentioned obscene sexuall acts as is a you know what flick and this person is STILL HERE!!! I was so disgusted with that obscene person I had to sign out of here! Admin comments: how can we know if the person was banned or not if we do not have any idea who you are talking about? If you notice a post that breaks our posting Rules: Notify the Moderator :-)
Edited by Administrator (11/18/09 10:59 AM) Edit Reason: added comments
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#965989 - 11/19/09 05:25 PM
Re: Heybob being banned
[Re: Administrator]
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Registered: 07/22/09
Posts: 285
Loc: Somewhere over the rainbow...
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At 16 in favor and 16 against... I will make the choice not to unban Heybob no matter what the poll results are... We do not want people here that care more for the sellers than the buyers... And no... he did not post only about legit sites like someone mentioned in htis thread... he called my attention from wanting to give attention, a chance, to blatant scams... An being an intermediary for a vendor, or helping a vendor, is being a rep... and that goes by a different set of Rules... not to mention we do not welcome reps for BI vendors... No offense Admin, but wasn't the whole point of this poll to see what EVERYONE who has dealt with bob to have a say? Out of the blue, when it is 50/50 you decide that you will not unban him, without giving everyone a chance to vote. My question is,.. what was the point to do the vote in the first place? Being a Moderator and all, you could have banned him, no matter what the rest of the board thought. Instead, you waited until it was 50 for and 50 against, and called the thing off. As I am posting this now, there are more DB'ers on here that would love to have him stay rather than be banned. I guess my question is, what was the point in draging this out? I respect the work you do on this board, but sometimes, I don't understand why you do the things you do. He was an assett to this board. Alot of people, including myself, think this was a bad move. Please reconsider... at least give him a chance to explain himself. He did alot of good ont his board, more good than bad for sure.. and if you permematly ban him it would be a huge mistake in my opinion. 
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#966097 - 11/19/09 08:23 PM
Re: Heybob being banned
[Re: Kimberly555]
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Account closed as user wants to start again with another username...
GRAND Pooh-Bah
Registered: 10/04/07
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Loc: mailbox
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He was an assett to this board. Alot of people, including myself, think this was a bad move.
Please reconsider... at least give him a chance to explain himself. He did alot of good ont his board, more good than bad for sure.. and if you permematly ban him it would be a huge mistake in my opinion. stop I agree with Kimberly here. Bob was outspoken but generally helpfull. It's hard to understand why some promote one IOP unless there is solid proof he was out to scam. Once he became a poohbah he became more excited and active. However there may be some priviledged info you have that we are unaware of. You have the IP addresses so you know what's happening. But Bob was helpful. Kinda like Stubby D. It's your call of course.
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