http://phenazepam.net/

100mg for $18, free 1st class USPS shipping, origin in US (all of this is openly stated on their website, so don't yell at me).

Larger sizes (up to 900 *grams*, apparently) are available. Claimed purity is 99+%, but we'll see about that. I placed an order earlier this evening for the 100mg sample size, and received a confirmation email containing a USPS tracking number about 5 hours later. Should receive it in a few days.

I fully intend to do my own tests on this compound to determine its structure and purity. I'll be sure to update this post when I receive, and again once I have scientifically analyzed the powder. If I spot even 1.1% of impurities I'll be the first to call shenanigans on the whole outfit, so stay tuned I guess if you're interested in that.

I'm quite stunned that this material has slipped through the legislative cracks. It certainly has the benzodiazepine core structure, with the addition of the halogens which usually suggests a slower metabolic process / longer halflife. Online reports compare its effects to lorazepam, with an even stronger amnesia effect and a much longer halflife. Also, tolerances tend to build up quite quickly, apparently. All reports I read warned against screwing around with this stuff, it's serious business.

And for Gods sake, don't try and "eyeball" measure 1 mg. Anyone who's accurately weighed 1mg of a powder knows how impossibly small an amount it is, and active doses of this apparently start at 0.5 mg. That's not even a crumble, it's more like half a speck.

From a quote on its Wikipedia page:

"Phenazepam does not appear in the list of Controlled Substances in the Laws of either the USA or the UK, where in each country, benzodiazepines are generally Class C, Schedule IV substances. In the United States the Controlled Substance Analogue Act applies only to substances in Schedule I and Schedule II. To this date there are no benzodiazepines in either of these schedules, and as such, all benzodiazepines not explicitly scheduled fall outside the analogue act."

Someone really dropped the ball there.

*shrug* Just putting the info out there. Use your head and think carefully / carefully research the risks of taking any medication. If the risks are outweighed by the potential increase in your quality of life, well, who am I to judge your actions...

It's just a matter of time before phenazepam falls under the watchful eye of the DEA. So far, it has had very little impact via street sales in the US but importation is increasing due to the availability on the Internet.
I think the most helpful information to offer about this drug is a warning about its potency. The research I've seen indicates the half-life can be as long as 60 hours and the hypnotic and amnesiac properties resemble but are greater than Rohypnol. I've heard people say that while "roofies" were supposed to be the new Quaaludes, phenazepam will be the new "roofies." Most everyone knows how all of that has turned out.
From all indications, on a mg to mg basis, phenazepam is an extremely potent substance which should never be used recreationally especially if purchased as a powder.
If nothing else, a rash of overdoses will focus the DEA on phenazepam.

what would you say about the pure propylene glycol? Here is what it says.

100% propylene glycol for use in a humidor to mix your own solution. Useful in making hand lotions and other personal care produucts. Useful in treating Ketosis in a cow. also can be used as a non-toxic anti-freeze

That is from ebay, which i don't really trust. Could you recommend a good trusted site to buy good food quality propylene glycol.

ebay? Guess you really can find anything on ebay.

This stuff sounds really dangerous. Has anyone tried this stuff and actually compare it to a benzo they've tried?? The stuff I read about this substance doesn't seem it will relax you or give you a "clean" benzo feel. Seems like it turns people into bumbling walking zombies.....

Nephro what's your take on this stuff?

I had never heard of it until it was mentioned here, so I really have no idea. The thing to do would be to find out where phenazepam tablets are made legally, and try to find a patient info leaflet for it.

If pills are not produced anywhere, then buying powder on the net is not a good idea because it could be anything, ranging from 100% purity to 0% purity. So many things in the world can be presented as white powder that it's not worth the risk.

They say, "GUARANTEED PURITY". How can they guarantee it?

Thanks for the quick reply nephro. To paraphrase Krusty the Clown;"I wouldn't go near this stuff with a ten-foot clown pole".

I agree with Nephro......I have never heard of this product but there is no way i would be a genea pig much less it hasnt been approved by the DEA......this could be deadly for someone who doesnt know what they are doing nor about the product........I dont think this thread should be allowed on the boards period.

If you dont know the dosing one little mistake could kill you. And then to inject yourself? I had a more elaborate post but it didnt go through.....but still it shouldnt be listed if it wasnt approved by the DEA. If anyone values their life dont order. Dang

the DEA doesn't approve drugs. I think its the FDA that does that.

oh, I'd also like to say that I think any medication that has medical purposes should be allowed to be discussed on this site. one little mistake could kill you with plenty of the medications we talk about on this board. the reason we have this board is for pharmacy reviews, aswell as harm reduction. at least this is what I use it as, and I try to help people.

everyone should do all the work of learning everything you can about the drug that you're about to take. BUT I will say that I wouldn't buy a powdered product of a drug that you're trying to take 1mg of. because like what was said earlier, 1mg is something you cannot "eyeball" out. you need a very expensive scale, which I don't have, and don't have a use for and will never own.

OK sorry I was just saying IMO I wasnt telling anybody what to do.....just something I wouldnt do....sorry didnt mean to step on your toes

google, you don't have to apologize all the time. you weren't stepping on any toes, you're allowed to voice your opinion, which is all that I was doing. I wasn't saying any of that just to spite you.

*hugs*

HELLO EVERYONE, I PLACED A SMALL ORDER WITH THIS PLACE USING MONEY ORDER AS PAYMENT, I HOPE THEY WILL COME THROUGH SOON? WELL, I WILL KEEP EVERYONE UPDATED, ETC...

GOOD LUCK, CHEESE

be careful with it if you get it.

sheesh I dont even know what it is? Is it all benzo's?? I get a script of those every month from my pcp

wow, if anyone remembers I had addressed the ordering of controlled substances that were outside the scope of the CSA. As such we had assumed that drugs in the controlled categories that were not FDA approved would automatically fall into the C1 category or another category. But it appears that benzos that are not specifically scheduled are not applicable to the CSA and therefore are not controlled at all. Meaning this med is neither FDA approved nor is it controlled. So ordering and importing it is completely legal in my opinion. Is this not correct?

On another note, it appears to be quite strong so I would be careful. Any ideas on its half life and dosing and comparison to alprazolam?

Half life is in the 50's of hours. Really strong, breaks down slow, dangerous drug. I would probably dip the end of a toothpick in this w/ it slightly wet too dose it, but this coming from someone w/ a chemistry background so I know what a mg looks like and its not much people.

I have heard that 1mg looks about the size of a grain of sand. Is it really this small?

thanks
karma

Yes, which is why these 'taste tests' for benzos aren't really reliable. You can make a pill taste like you want it to taste.

You get a script of phenazepam every month. I don't think so

anything can be 1mg and NOTHING in terms of weight - that's what fillers in pills are for.

if they ship from w/in US....well, US doesn't classify it. how do you know it's made in the US? do you have proof on a powder? what is it used for here? i couldn't tell and i read the entire wiki description...

While that might be your considered opinion, it is definitely not the FDA's.
If it is an unapproved prescription drug being imported from a foreign country, it is illegal to import. Doesn't matter if it's on a DEA schedule.
Aside from that, this is a very tricky, potent and potentially dangerous drug. My opinion is that you are crazy trying to import it in this form and titrating your own dose.
Of course, if there are serious medical consequences, you can always sue the guy in Russia who sent it to you. Maybe you could settle for some old missle parts or something.

Sometimes smaller, sometimes larger. You have "fluffy" chemicals and you have chemicals that form into larger crystals/masses this causes them too be more dense. I assume Phenazapam is a fluffy chemical meaning you would be able too see a mg dose on a black table, but like I said, Id touch the end of a toothpick too my tounge leave it moist but dry, and dip it. I would then make sure no chuncks stuck too it, only the little "drop" that would form on the bottom of end of the toothpick.

No, I was under the impression that if a drug is not prescription or controlled, then it is perfectly legal to possess. What are they going to charge you with? It is not covered by the CSA? The only thing I could see happen is for some state law to prevent you. But importing is federal, and if a drug is not restricted at all in anyway, then how can they prevent you from importing it. How is it then that you can import all the other meds that are not FDA approved in the US such as cancer drugs without any legal implications? Can someone else please weigh in who may know more legally here?

On another note, this med is not only inherently dangerous, but this toothpick dosing nonsense is downright suicidal. I would not order it and would advise everyone else to do the same. I just thought it was interesting though that it was not covered under any federal laws whatsoever.

I kinda posted a warning with that, but um... maybe you forgot too read the part where I'm a chemistry major. You kinda learn too eyeball a milligram. I appreciate your concern, but I haven't read a post in this thread where people didn't seem too have the sense too titrate it. The method I mentioned would yield about a mg depending on the consistancy of the chemical. Like I said, I dunno if its "fluffy" or more crystalline.

Seco, I mean i am not against anyone using it, it just worried me that there are some people on this board who are not chemistry majors nor do they have the common sense to think before they jump into the snake pit. I think someone who is comfortable with measuring it and titrating or who has done it before is prob gonna be perfectly fine even considering that it is a strong benzo. But there are prob more on here that are desperate and see this and will think they have struck gold. It is them that I want to make sure go into this with all the info and caution. Sorry if i offended you, my post was not directed at you at all and it was not my intention.

On another note, there are a bunch of sources out there for benzos, they are pretty easy to get and there are a bunch of cheap sources out there. Why do you prefer phenazepam over the other benzos?

None taken, as too why people would take phenazepam? I dunno, I think I got some that was supposed too be xanax once. What I got sounds like what phenazepam would do. It had a crazy long half life, caused bad amnesia, and just made me feel funny emotionally the next day I would be irritable and emotional almost like I was a girl on the rag, I mean just flat needy. It was really really weird, and I can say I'm not a fan. I would try it again since before I had pre dosed capsules and this time I would have more control of the situation. Everyone else who took these pills blacked out and did stupid [censored]] like they had taken massive amounts of xanax. I think I was the only one that held my stuff together because I have a really big tolerance too benzos. I personally don't like this drug because it put every girl who took it into a stupor, then they passed out and couldn't be woken up easily at all. Obviously this isn't a good thing. I can't be 100% sure that's what these mystery capsules were, but I would bet on it because it just seemed like a really strong benzo. (The occasion I am talking about was a party about 4 years ago when I did drugs recreationally all the time, I just felt it necessary too mention this story because this drug has the potential too be used as a date rape drug and I'm 100% against that kinda thing.)

I have tried phenazepam and got a slight feeling from it, nothing like other benzo's that I have tried. It was dosed out by someone else though so what I took could have been under-dosed. Basically I thought it sucked and wasn't worth it but to be sure I would have to measure out my own dose. I took doses between 0.5mg-3mg based on the report of who I got it from.

I am curious to see if this company delivers though, their prices are decent.

I received some from a canadian source about 3 weeks ago. It is a slightly fluffy white substance. I still have not tried it as I don't have an accurate way to measure it. Someone asked on this thread why people want phenazepam when there are other benzos. Well it is completely legal in Canada and i think the states. It is also incredibly cheap. If 1mg is around 10mg of diazepam then my 500mg of phenazepam is like having 500 10mg valium for fifty something dollars. Another reason I bought it is it was from one city away from me and basically zero chance of not receiving it. I was running out of meds at the time and needed a backup. I received an order of diazepam from wholesale in only 3 days so I have not tried it yet. There is so much hype about this benzo. The only danger really is dosage. Other than proper measuring of doses it really is just a typical benzo. I think the reports of people turning into zombies and feeling strange effects are all the same types of reports you hear from people taking too high of a dose of any benzo. Also many of the reports are mentioning people who typically don't take benzos on a regular basis for legit reasons. The half life of diazepam can actually be longer then phenazepam so i don't quite understand why people are going on about how long it lasts. It is a very typical benzo.

I have a high benzo tolerance. If this is a fluffy substance then I am assuming that I would be able to see a 1-3mg dose. Out of all these people commenting on this med, is there anyone with actual experience that can just suggest what this dosage would look like...... just out of curiosity. I plan to mix it with glycol propylene to measure.

The real danger is people who are users of grey area recreational drugs eyeballing doses, which is bound to happen. The media will be all over this soon so I don't expect it to be legal here in canada for long.

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THANKS, CHEESE