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#961915 - 11/13/09 06:59 PM Try the Gitmo soldiers of al-Qaeda in NYC??
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This is an outrage.
They are not U.S citizens and how offensive to the families who lost loved ones on that day to have to re-live the horror that will come out during the trial.

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#962242 - 11/14/09 06:26 AM Re: Try the Gitmo soldiers of al-Qaeda in NYC?? [Re: Rochelle5mg]
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Yes an outrage. They have already admitted their guilt.

IMO. All courtesy of the masterminds of liberal politics.
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#962314 - 11/14/09 11:39 AM Re: Try the Gitmo soldiers of al-Qaeda in NYC?? [Re: 70727487]
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They have already admitted their guilt.

707 now there I beg to differ.
In a court o' law they can proclaim their innocense/guilt
whatever..but to me the message it sends to all terrists
is that you get a free meal ticket to the USA and while they're
incarcerated they can freely communicate to other terrist cells
already here. Also a public trial on CNN will be seen throughout the Muslim
world and likely will recruit more of them terrists.
No I just don' like it.

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#962359 - 11/14/09 01:13 PM Re: Try the Gitmo soldiers of al-Qaeda in NYC?? [Re: Rochelle5mg]
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The REALLY big difference is that when terrorist are prosecuted in civilian courts they are then afforded the U.S. constitution and its Bill of Rights that they can use to aid in their defense.
We ALL know of a story of some criminal that got away with murder by some technicality and that is now very possible with these terrorist. Miranda rights to search & seizure...there are a million ways to beat the system in civilian courts.
The military courts do not allow the same rights to suspects and its more difficult to present a defense.

Why these farrrrrrrrrrr left politicians and SOME Americans believe that the rights of Americans extend to the entire planet,. is a mystery. How many rights does an American have in other countries? Virtually NONE. And the same liberal groups here want to model ourselves after those same nations that limit the rights of non-citizens.

Perhaps IF the terrorist were home-grown citizens, THEN they should have the same basic rights as you or me, but someone from another country is NOT a citizen and the Constitution does not apply to them IN this country.

Its common sense more than anything. Thats the problem with liberal politics. They have none.

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#962372 - 11/14/09 01:49 PM Re: Try the Gitmo soldiers of al-Qaeda in NYC?? [Re: eluded]
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The first question would be, before it ever reaches a US Court of Law, is can they get a fair trial with an impartial Jury? And who are their peers? No one in this Country! So I can't see this ever going to trial in any aspect. Its all window dressing to show that we are not a country that locks people up and throws away the key. But in order for this fiasco to ever get to court an impartial Jury of their peers must be seated. Not a chance!


Edited by wofer (11/14/09 02:03 PM)
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#962392 - 11/14/09 02:28 PM Re: Try the Gitmo soldiers of al-Qaeda in NYC?? [Re: wofer]
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Thats true....and could be the basis of their eventual release or trial in another country that would broaden their chance of release into the free world.

Sometimes a trial is'nt required to determine the guilt of someone. When they confess, or express themselves with contempt, its pretty obvious. The trial is the part of the American judicial system that they KNOW they have a chance of beating. Especially when they have gained so much sympathy from the liberal community, and they know it. Leave it to greedy lawyers to knock each other down trying to represent these animals.

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#962655 - 11/14/09 06:43 PM Re: Try the Gitmo soldiers of al-Qaeda in NYC?? [Re: Rochelle5mg]
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Originally Posted By: Rochelle5mg
Quote:
They have already admitted their guilt.

707 now there I beg to differ.
In a court o' law they can proclaim their innocense/guilt
whatever..but to me the message it sends to all terrists
is that you get a free meal ticket to the USA and while they're
incarcerated they can freely communicate to other terrist cells
already here. Also a public trial on CNN will be seen throughout the Muslim
world and likely will recruit more of them terrists.
No I just don' like it.


bowing Georgie, You don't have to beg. I feel the same way as you do.

Poor choice of words on my part. I should have said Khalis Shaikh Mohanned is the self proclaimed mastermind behind the 9-ll attacks.

He also takes the credit for the beheading Daniel Pearl. He should be prosecuting for that terrorist act as well.

Personally I feel these evil men committed an act of war and should have been put on trial by a military triubunal, like the Nazi's were and not in our civilian courts.

I feel bad for the people of New York for having to put up with terrorist in their city once again.

I sure wouldn't want them being put on trial in my Village.

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#962665 - 11/14/09 06:49 PM Re: Try the Gitmo soldiers of al-Qaeda in NYC?? [Re: eluded]
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I don't know Eluded. The way things are going here, there won't be many rights left in America for them to use.

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#962769 - 11/14/09 09:11 PM Re: Try the Gitmo soldiers of al-Qaeda in NYC?? [Re: PoPo]
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having seen those towers come tumbling down and the skyline forever changed -- is something one tries to forget -- but never can. more important is all the firefighers we lost and the funerals that never ended.

i don't give a sh-- about their rights -- but i don't want to re-live it again. i cannot imagine the families who lost a loved one. imo, their feelings should prevail -- and it is not having to go through this again here in nyc.

UGH!

(nothing to do with your feelings po -- i agree, actually)
this is personal.


Edited by recruiterlo (11/14/09 09:14 PM)
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#962798 - 11/14/09 10:05 PM Re: Try the Gitmo soldiers of al-Qaeda in NYC?? [Re: Rochelle5mg]
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And I beg to differ with you Rochelle. I personally think they would not last any time in one of our prisons. They would have to be place in isolation for there own safety. They would be killed in no time in the general population.

There mail would also be screened. Nothing would go out or come in with out being screened.

I seriously doubt that they would be aloud any visitors except there attorneys.

And you really cant imagine them getting a fair trail. They would be guilty by any jury before the case ever started.

Does N.Y have the death penalty?

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#962800 - 11/14/09 10:11 PM Re: Try the Gitmo soldiers of al-Qaeda in NYC?? [Re: wofer]
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Hi wolf , I didn't see this post. Absolutely , no how no way. The jury would be hang them , before the case goes to trail.

Personally , I would put them in the general population in prison. Let the inmates execute them for us.
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#962803 - 11/14/09 10:13 PM Re: Try the Gitmo soldiers of al-Qaeda in NYC?? [Re: PoPo]
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You got THAT right !

in the grand scheme of things, we MIGHT be looking the gift horse in the mouth !

as we loose our rights, so do the evil bastards that we fight. As the extreme left grants THEM the same rights as we have, they too become victims.
Would'nt that make a great episode of "24"? a long term plot to remove constitutional rights just to battle terrorism and deal with an immediate threat?
I think I'll write that story and sell it !

and yes Chuckee, I agree. Our prisons have a "code" of honor of sorts....these animals would not last the first week in general population. The isolation and gaurds would not be able to protect them. Inmates seem to have simplified the prison "legal system".Justice there is swift and final.maybe thats the plan to simplify and end the problem. I am certain that once something like that happened, the terrorist would fear our civilian prisons More than they would our government!


Edited by eluded (11/14/09 10:18 PM)

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#962821 - 11/14/09 10:52 PM Re: Try the Gitmo soldiers of al-Qaeda in NYC?? [Re: chuckee]
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because ny does have the death penalty -- they would be sitting on death row and isolated from the general prison population.

in addition, they probably wouldn't be executed for a long time as they would be able to go through the judicial process and appeal away. new york has the death penalty but i can't remember the last time it was enforced.

i agree that our rights are going down the crapper -- but they are not us and how is it comparable?

gimme a break -- it ain't the same.
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#962845 - 11/14/09 11:56 PM Re: Try the Gitmo soldiers of al-Qaeda in NYC?? [Re: recruiterlo]
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I say put them all in downtown manhatten and let them try to escape. The AMERICAN public would try them , convict them and sentence them on the spot.

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#963003 - 11/15/09 05:18 AM Re: Try the Gitmo soldiers of al-Qaeda in NYC?? [Re: eluded]
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Originally Posted By: eluded
You got THAT right !

in the grand scheme of things, we MIGHT be looking the gift horse in the mouth !

as we loose our rights, so do the evil bastards that we fight. As the extreme left grants THEM the same rights as we have, they too become victims.
Would'nt that make a great episode of "24"? a long term plot to remove constitutional rights just to battle terrorism and deal with an immediate threat?
I think I'll write that story and sell it !

and yes Chuckee, I agree. Our prisons have a "code" of honor of sorts....these animals would not last the first week in general population. The isolation and gaurds would not be able to protect them. Inmates seem to have simplified the prison "legal system".Justice there is swift and final.maybe thats the plan to simplify and end the problem. I am certain that once something like that happened, the terrorist would fear our civilian prisons More than they would our government!


Nice idea to write that story. Problem is, I think it's already been written and we're livin' it now. I don't like this story. Could someone read Spot, Dick & Jane for me? I could use a happy story right now.

Have a good weekend, Eluded. PoPo commands it.

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#963006 - 11/15/09 05:21 AM Re: Try the Gitmo soldiers of al-Qaeda in NYC?? [Re: PoPo]
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Thanks !

you too..!

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#963043 - 11/15/09 09:02 AM Re: Try the Gitmo soldiers of al-Qaeda in NYC?? [Re: wofer]
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Originally Posted By: wofer
The first question would be, before it ever reaches a US Court of Law, is can they get a fair trial with an impartial Jury? And who are their peers? No one in this Country! So I can't see this ever going to trial in any aspect. Its all window dressing to show that we are not a country that locks people up and throws away the key. But in order for this fiasco to ever get to court an impartial Jury of their peers must be seated. Not a chance!

I politely disagree there Mr. Wofer.
As you might recall, that 20th hijacker made it it to trial
forgot his name..somethin' like Zacarias Moussaoui.
Now he went and represented himself and was filabusterin'
like crazy.
This mastermind Khalid Shaikh Mohammed apparently plans
to do the same darn thing. I just don't like it.
It's propaganda and you betcha Al Jazir TV will cover it live
all over the Muslim world.

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#963060 - 11/15/09 10:51 AM Re: Try the Gitmo soldiers of al-Qaeda in NYC?? [Re: Rochelle5mg]
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You misunderstand, I don't like it either, I was merely pointing the possibilities that could prevent this trial from ever happening. I would like to see them rot right where they are. But here again, you and I have no say in the matter, do we? So stay tuned!
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#963128 - 11/15/09 01:23 PM Re: Try the Gitmo soldiers of al-Qaeda in NYC?? [Re: wofer]
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the point now seems moot -- as they just reported that the trial will be in manhattan. they are not even talking death penalty -- just "they'll be behind bars for good".

just perfect. another great white house decision....jeez.
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#963515 - 11/15/09 11:52 PM Re: Try the Gitmo soldiers of al-Qaeda in NYC?? [Re: recruiterlo]
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Obama promised this from the start....His liberal base wanted terrorist to have the same rights as you and I do.



Thank Barry everyone !

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#963524 - 11/15/09 11:57 PM Re: Try the Gitmo soldiers of al-Qaeda in NYC?? [Re: eluded]
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Originally Posted By: eluded
Obama promised this from the start....His liberal base wanted terrorist to have the same rights as you and I do.



Thank Barry everyone !


We are f*cking doomed.

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#963633 - 11/16/09 06:56 AM Re: Try the Gitmo soldiers of al-Qaeda in NYC?? [Re: OldandWorn]
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Let's hope the defense team doesn't use some technicality like water-boarding to get them off.

When they are found guilty I hope this doesn't make NYC once again a target for another terrorist attack.
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#963646 - 11/16/09 08:16 AM Re: Try the Gitmo soldiers of al-Qaeda in NYC?? [Re: 70727487]
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I am surpised bloomberg was in favor of this. i still have family in nyc and will think twice about visiting once the trials start.

i may be wrong but i think this puts bullseye back on nyc for terrioist activity.

it is a war, why do this? it makes me so mad, my family lost a loved one in Iraq, am mad at bush for going there, am mad at Holder for bringing these bastards to nyc.

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#963656 - 11/16/09 08:57 AM Re: Try the Gitmo soldiers of al-Qaeda in NYC?? [Re: NOPE]
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NY will always have a bulls eye on its back when it comes to Muslim Extremist terrorists and their beliefs. The "infidel" bulls eye will never be removed no matter who's in charge.
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#963660 - 11/16/09 09:21 AM Re: Try the Gitmo soldiers of al-Qaeda in NYC?? [Re: 70727487]
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Originally Posted By: 70727487

Let's hope the defense team doesn't use some technicality like water-boarding to get them off.

When they are found guilty I hope this doesn't make NYC once again a target for another terrorist attack.



This is a no win situation. "The world" is not going to like us any more or less due to this bad decision. Actually, they are probably confused.

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#966421 - 11/20/09 08:41 AM Re: Try the Gitmo soldiers of al-Qaeda in NYC?? [Re: OldandWorn]
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Now that Obama has proclaimed on Video that the terrorists
will be convicted and put to death I wonder if this will give the defense
a motion to dismiss and if the judge will grant it?
Should be interesting.

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#966445 - 11/20/09 09:50 AM Re: Try the Gitmo soldiers of al-Qaeda in NYC?? [Re: Rochelle5mg]
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Obama and Holder really screwed this up.

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#966456 - 11/20/09 10:36 AM Re: Try the Gitmo soldiers of al-Qaeda in NYC?? [Re: 70727487]
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Originally Posted By: 70727487
Personally I feel these evil men committed an act of war and should have been put on trial by a military triubunal, like the Nazi's were and not in our civilian courts.


That's what I was thinking. Also, I agree w/the all the OPs about the dangers caused by giving these terrorists air time and the horror of making the US relive the most horrible act of terrorism we have even seen.

And HOW OH HOW can we allow these NON-citizens to have the benefit of the US legal system when they themselves have done everything possible to destroy our way of life.

Do we try illegal aliens in the US justice sytem? I don't think so but I am not sure. I think the NIS just throws them out of the country if they are charged w/a crime.

Boy, Obama and what's his name have really screwed this up. What ARE they thinking?
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#966464 - 11/20/09 10:56 AM Re: Try the Gitmo soldiers of al-Qaeda in NYC?? [Re: Rochelle5mg]
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Originally Posted By: Rochelle5mg
They are not U.S citizens ...


Are you sure about that? Holden keeps talking about rights of muslims in America, which with in general, I agree. Being muslim, does not equate to being a terrorist.

Even if they are citizens though, how can we can we allow our rights to be so eroded by the Terrorist Act, but not the rights of terrorists?
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#966465 - 11/20/09 11:00 AM Re: Try the Gitmo soldiers of al-Qaeda in NYC?? [Re: meonlyits]
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Actually, I have a better idea. They should bring the prisoners to the former Trade Center site, Announce to the entire country when they will be there, RELEASE THEM and WALK AWAY. NO LE for miles. I think the problem would be solved quickly.

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