taking vicodin and Tramadol at the same time or in the same day has been ok for me for 4 yrs. Everyone is different though, and should consult a doctor before combining ANY meds.

I have taken these drugs together for several years with no problems (I use the tram to boost the effects of the vicodin.)

I have seen the 2 together prescribed many times. When I took hydro, I had the 2 prescribed at the same time as well.

Random question, this is about Hydro 10/500, not 750, but I couldn't find a forum on here discussing 10/500 on here. I normally take Norco, butthe oharmacy was out of them this time, so I had my pain mgmt dr prescribe lortab 10/500 instead. I have 2 herniated discs in my back, so sometimes I am in more pain from them than others. The doctor rxed me 120 of them to last a month, however on days when the pain is intense (and it has been lately due to muscle spasms and the fact that I have been way more active than usual), I will take up to 8 as opposed to my usual 4 or 5. I know 8 is the max dose of APAP one can take in a day. My question is this, how damaging is that to my liver? I do not plan to stay on this formulation of hydro long term, just for a couple more weeks until I am due for refill than I will get Norco instead. I have had my liver enzymes and bloodwork done 4 mos ago and everything was great.

I did some research on this some time ago and from what I remember is this:

First, don't drink alcohol. If you do, liver damage can occur at 3 grams or 4 7.5/750

If no alcohol, your liver can tolerate about 10 grams of APAP a day or about 13 750's before damage occurs.

Thats what I remember maybe someone can verify that

Doctors recommend no more than 30 mg of APAP per 24 hour period. But in reality, and this can be found in many medical white papers online as heybob stated - Is that the liver can tolerate up to 120mg or more per 24 hour period but not to be extended for more than a few days at a time. Another words if you continue to beat your liver up with say 120 mg of APAP everyday for an extended period of time, you will increase your chances of liver damage and or failure. Then there are other meds to consider that also affect the liver that one might be taking in conjunction with APAP. It all adds up.. I have been on about 20 to 30 mg of hydro with APAP daily for about 5 years. I get a physical twice a year and blood test quarterly. My liver levels are normal but I keep a close eye on this particular result of my lab results because of the medications I take. I have a hard time keeping my blood sugar down and have been diagnosed as a pre diabetic, that's why I go in for blood work so often.

I think you mean 3000 mg of apap? with hydro 7.5/750 the 7.5 is the hydro and 750 mg part is the apap? Even with the lower does of hydro/apap you are ingesting at least 325 mg of apap (tylenol). I may be wrong? I had liver problems with my last pregnancy and read up a ton about it. It is funny how Tylenol is one of the more liver toxic dangerous drugs and it is over the counter and many people do not realize... I know after I turned 21 I would go out and drink with friends and always ended the night with Tylenol pm~I wish I knew then what I know now.

Right you are johnrock. I think wofer accidentally put in wrong unit of measurement. 3000mg=3grams

Upper limit of tylenol(apap) is 4000 mg per day. (adult) That of course depends on many factors age/size/liver/alcohol/other meds/conditions etc.

On a personal note I would not do upper limit more than a day or two.

Yes yes, sorry for the typo... I failed math miserably.. but can drop a mento's in a big bottle of coke with the best of them...

Just wondering what tolerance is like for you? Seems like for me it's a cycle, if I don't stop for a while, I have to keep increasing the dose and that can get out of control. Right now I have been clean of hydro for about 5 days, using a couple darvocet at a time to help ward off the yucks but it's still not great. You have to clear your receptors from time to time for me and I wondered how a 10 mg dose 4 time a day for instance for a year would still yield any noticeable results? Do you find you can get results without having to increase the dose? I was looking for a thread that might discuss how to help a script go further too, I've read taking some antacids will reduce how much hydro get destroyed in the stomach. Seems like a reasonable question to find ways to make a dose work better, last longer, etc. so you can get more results for your money

Well, I probably overestimated my statement as I don't take hydro everyday. I have numerous ailments, but my primary issue right now is bursitis in my elbow. I have posted about this in the past and about my athletic prowess when I was younger as well as the physcially demanding regimine while on Active Duty and the reserves. This has contributed to much of what I'm go through now in my 50's although I am in excellent physical condition (weight to height ratio, cardio, etc) I have chronic issues with both knees, a sciatic nerve that just wont leave me alone, and I can go on and on but don't want to bore you.

Anyway, I have managed to keep a level head about my hydro use. Only because, like some I don't get that warm fuzzy feeling people get which I guess is one of the more attractive aspects to taking hydrocodone. I simply take it to relieve my aches and pains, and when I'm not hurting I don't take it. I guess I'm unusual in that sense. I know if I stopped today and don't take another pill ever, I will go through WD's. And I am prepared to do that at some point if God Willing my next surgery (bursectomy) is as successful as the Doc hopes it will be. I can handle the other aches and pains without Hydro (We'll see).

So I get an RX for 5/325 50 about every 25 days and its re occuring, my Doc has never refused a refill request, I get 5 at a time, before I have to call.

The dosage really hasn't done the trick for me since day one and I used to double up on some occasions which caused me to run out way before my 25th day. But the Doc considers my issues to not warrant anything stronger. So I supplement with an order or two from our online sources and take a 5/325 with a 1/2 of a 10/325 3 to 4 times a day but not everyday.

I also take a Soma when needed for my back and I have other meds I take for cholesteral, etc. as well.

Because of the breaks in my dosages, I have had no problem with tolerance to the dosages I have customized for myself. It seems to be working for me, and I have no desire or intention of changing unless my pain levels reach something higher than what they are now.

Thats interesting, the question I asked about making a dose work better / making a script last longer, I have also read that taking Soma with hydro increases the hydro effect. That seems to be true, when you take the Soma, are you not taking hydro or will you take them together? I suspect you may get better results if taken together and many that have hydro scripted have Soma scripted too. I am sure you are taking hydro the way is was meant to be taken, just enough to stop the pain without too much that it starts feeling good, but thats a fine line and hard not enjoying feeling better, energetic, etc

I do take a Soma and hydro on the same days, but really not at the same time. I usually take a Soma before I go to bed. Yes it is a fine line, and I must admit when I was getting my supplement hydro from ROP's I did take more of the 10mg than I did my script, but now, I just cant afford to take anymore than I have to. Its just to expensive. We all know how much they charge now, and I'm just a dude with a Mortgage trying to get by as best I can given our economic climate. Good luck to you heybob. You seem like a stand up and honest guy and I always make it a point to read all of your posts..

thanks wofer, yea I am honest and in the same boat, mortgage etc, tough times and fair question to ask how to make your meds stretch. I used to be able to use ROPs but my records are outdated and many won't ship to my state so it's hurt me more, so true, the price is so painful. Kills me, if you get a script with insurance, the same is about $5 for a script of 90, but like $600 online, half my house payment. I have been following you a bit too for the same reason you read mine thanks very much for all your feedback

I am new to this site and am exploring it because I have a condition....which despite being extremely painful...is intermittent and hard to get Docs to prescribe pain killers for ...at least not without extensive and expensive testing. Thanks to the economy I have for the time being lost my health insurance so MRI testing etc., etc are out for my condition for at least another 6 months until I get on social security.

I am exploring this site hoping there might be some other way to do to secure some pain killers in the interium, however, from what I've read, you either have to have a F2F with a Doc (who is scared to death to write a painkiller script if you haven't recently had major surgery)....or find an overseas pharmancy and risk the DEA showing up at your door. Do I get that right or is there a direction anyone can point that would have the highest likihood of accomplishing what I am trying to do?

Thanking anyone for their feedback in advance

im scripted hydro Soma and kpin all to be taken 3xs a day so i assume its safe as thats how it prescribed and that cocktail works well for my back

if you go to webmd and choose the identify pills tab. it will tell you exactly what they are.

where can I buy some vicodin or percocet

Walgreens, CVS, Rite Aid... and kinds of places.

lol

my father order vicodin without prescription at http://hotrxmeds.com/pill/Vicodin_ES

1 post and you have a web site to promote??

They should get together with the one post person above trying to find it.

Before people start making fun of Brine84, his father and hotrxmeds, I want to point out that this web site carries Penisol, a very difficult substance to find on the Internet.
Not only that but their very clever use of a banana and two apples has to be one of the most amusing product advertisements I've seen recently.
Even though their drug classifications are a bit nutty, at least they have a sense of humor.

Just saw that.

haha

Wrote them asking if they do samples and what brands the vic and x's and v were.


new: went to the checkout they take cc. seems secure also.
dunno yet about the site gonna wait and see if they write me.

oh gosh, I saw that too but I'm so naive I didnt notice the apples .. in conjunction with.. well, you know.

hey mike..tell me you are not mike with a sister in Oregon and your friend's name is Rob and FVS and all that???? Is it you.........?

what good is a pm when they are turned off cant get thru