Honestly, are we going to allow these fools to do this to us?

Does no body realize this means we will end up paying more money for healthcare than we do now? Does anybody realize the kind of healthcare we will have now? Does anybody understand what this does to doctors?

Look at medicare stats, what is was projected to cost is minuscule compared to what it actually does now. This nonsense about it not costing any money is ridiculous. The premiums you pay now you may not have to pay anymore, but YOU WILL END PAYING FOR IT.

Doctors hate dealing with medicare patients now. Medicare pays a fraction of what other companies do and always try to deny it, so doctors either do not take it, or do not look forward to taking it.

Look however much you want free healthcare, NOTHING is free. There is better options to reform healthcare. Make insurance companies not deny based on pre-existing. Put caps on how much they can charge. Put in reforms that force them to pay for procedures or charges that are necessary or can help. Do something to help american patients, but do not enact this BS!

Yes, some of us realize, but it's ok. Once C&T passes we won't be able to afford anything, doc's won't be able to afford to have a practice.

Yup, some of us realize what all this means....that we will LONG for the days of 10% unemployment.

I don't know, I have 4 Dr, and medicare , and not one complaint. Now when I had HMO they complained all the time.
C

I was watching on C-SPAN. I do think that Nancy Pelosi wearing that Chairman Mao tee shirt and screaming "Hail Satan" was going a bit far.
Was that Waxman who killed that nice old grandmother? In the crowd I couldn't tell. That was kind of tacky, too.

You are a smartass, lol

chuck, you are right, HMO's are worse than medicare. But that is the exact reason we need healthcare reform. But NOT universal healthcare. Just so you know though, the doctor receives probably around 30-40% more reimbursements than you from their private insurance. Also, you must understand that they are planning on cutting medicare reimbursements by another 22%, then imagine what it will be like. And add on to that, the government will run out of money for it soon. I just cannot understand where they will get the money for that. Maybe print some more money, but how is that possible when we have already done that by a severe severe amount. Last time we did that during Jimmy Carters reign, interest rates had to shoot up to 20%, yes i said 20% to stop the inflation. I acutally support medicare, because you as an employee pay into, but it would have been much more logical to have put that money into private accounts, instead of allowing our outta control con artists in congress spending that money on other junk.

What they need to understand is it is not their job to pass as many bills as possible. They need to pass only laws that we need and which are logical and will help us. I hate to think at the size of our current book of laws. Probably had to cut an entire rainforest just to print them out.

Look at the bright side of passage.
We will have specific language in the bill that can be used to vote out every Democrat
from conservative districts.
They won’t be able to say, “well, we don’t have the actual bill yet” as they have
said for months. Nope. This is the bill. These are the taxes you voted for. These are the provisions that will lead to rationing, cuts in Medicare service and the rest. You didn’t kill the bill. Now we’re going to kill your career.And as all the specifics become more well known over the next several weeks, the Senate will run for cover. The whole process can be stopped there. And the Blue Dogs will have walked the plank for nothing.
So, I’m counting this as a win yesterday. And if the GOP can win in deep blue New Jersey as it did last week, then let’s go for taking away 100 Democrat seats in the House next November.

You should look at the bright side Roch.

From what I understand you need some health care.

Now you and your wife well be able to see a Dr. With out going totally Brock.

I have Medicare , and now I well not have to worry about that donut hole next year.

That part of the bill is supposed to be expedited.

A real wight has been lifted.

Roch I am happy for you and your family.

Oh , and I am only guessing , But , I really don't think you make enough money to worry about the tax's.

Its just a guess.

Be Happy
Your Friend
C

Because God knows we wouldn't want every American (including innocent children) to have access to affordable Healthcare.

As for supporting Medicare because you "pay into it" you do know that most Americans will get $3 worth of healthcare for ever dollar paid into it?

I was in the hospital for 22 hour's. The bill to medicare was for $7000.00 , That's were the 22% cut is coming from. What the he*l. The hospitals are just nut's.

And were not even talking about the other services that gauge medicare , every side but down.

Well see , I have to keep the faith. Not just for me , BUT FOR ALL OF YOU!
c

I love my gynecologist. She told me when I am eligible for Medicare she can no longer treat me. I said I would have supplemental insurance and she said that would not change anything.

I asked her why and she said payments are not received for a long time and also she loses money.

My DH has a wonderful oncologist. His Dr said he is very worried about the Health Care Plan passing.

I have to admit I am worried. I am not happy with the insurance companies and their fraudulent denials but right now I don't know what will happen.

Hi Music. I have 4 Dr and never have had any problems.

I even go to the U of M hospital. For my Gastro Dr.

I Have had , all my testing done there, every thing went just fine with having Medicare.

I did have , Blue cross as a supplemental. Called Medicare + blue.

I wish , I could help you figure it out. It just doesn't sound right!
C

To add. Yes you have to do some research.

Not all Dr. well take Medicare.

My PC Dr. well not take HMOS

Its been that way long before health reform.

I have had medicare for 10 years.
c

Great post!!!

I am curious about something......Tigersmom, do you at the present time have health coverage???? Just wondering???

I am glad for all of us who have the chance (if this passes the Senate) to access the care we need.
Count me in as someone who, up to now, has been denied access.

The problem I see is this, people that own businesses will NOT have the choice of insurance and that is NOT right. Sure they can keep the individual coverage, but the cost will be so high, the choice will be to keep it, go out of business or switch.

Even in healthcare and insurance competition is alive and well. When there is NO COMPETITION, care will go down and we will end up with the Gov't "owning" yet another business.

How far is this going to go?

I do have basic Health Insurance, and I am only 12 years away from Medicare; I support Health Insurance Reform because I care about the 47 million Americans who cannot afford Health Insurance because it is too expensive, and getting more so all the time, I empathize with those who can't get affordable health insurance because they have a pre-existing condition, I support Healthcare reform because I commiserate with the man (or woman) who would like to strike out on their own with a business idea, but can't because their coverage is tied to a specific employer, and that is how their family is covered, I support Health Insurance reform because I empathize with the small business owner who would like to cover their employees, but simply can't afford to provide it, or those small businesses who have had to drop coverage because one of the employees became ill, and the Insurer dumped them.

Since the Insurance Companies are a for-pay Monopoly who had a chance to self-reform and haven't done so, the only way that I see the working Americans who do without that I referenced above getting help is through Healthcare Reform that uses the so-called "Public Option" to level the playing field.

Yes sir but there's no free ride. Either pay 2.5% of your income or go to jail/fine
Small businesses who hire many employees would
rather pay the 8% penalty(cheaper) then insure their employees.
So everyone will be forced on the Govt plan or go to jail if they
re-nig on the penalty. At least in jail we get 3 meals a day
and don't have to endure the cap & Tax bill..

Good point Roche, jail may not be so bad considering the state of what's to come. I mean, 3 "squares", great health care, free cable, pruno, and of course other "freebies" if "one" is into those sort of "things"

I would gladly pay 2.5% of our family income to help provide health care to others. Also, I simply don't believe that most small business would choose to drop health care for their employees. Health care is an important benefit that will continue to draw and keep quality workers.

And for those companies that do chose to drop health care benefits, at least those employees will now have the govt health care option.

It's better than nothing, which is what so many have now.

Meon, the small businesses will have NO CHOICE but to drop it. If this bill passes it will cost people so much to keep private insurance for their employees, they will have no choice but to drop it and go with the Gov't healthcare.

There will be a fine to pay if you keep the private insurance. We will ALL be on Gov't healthcare, everyone except Congress and the President.

How do you know it will cost the companies so much that they will have to drop it?

And WHY is there a fine? That seems really odd to me.

That's part of the bill Meon. That's why I think this healthcare bill can NOT pass.

I don't remember the exact figures of what it will cost, but there has been much, much debate about this. It is a large percentage they will have to pay.

Once they get rid of that insurance also, they can't get another private insurance company, they HAVE to go with the Gov't healthcare.

I'll try and find some info on this.

Sounds like the plan pushes the govt healthcare instead of just supplementing what is already out there.

Not liking that.

Here's a link to a letter that someone wrote with their concerns.

Looks like it is an 8% cost, I was thinking 6%.

http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/healthcare-bill-issues/blog-124517/

You can look at what he has mentioned, pull up the bill and read those items for yourself.

The bill is quite long, over 1000 pages.

EXACTLY

Here is a link to the Health Care Bill; However, I don't know if it is the final one they came up with behind closed doors.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.3962: