Has anyone ever tried muscle relaxers during the "restless leg" stage of w/d? I get restless leg VERY badly on say day 3-7 pf w/d. I heard it works great to shut the legs down. Just curious.

I haven't found them to be completely effective at stopping restless legs. Along with the muscle relaxers, you might try taking extra magnesium in the evening and soaking in a warm bath.

Thanks for the info. Any other meds I can take, hopefully OTC, during withdrawal? It's NASTY...

Kratom?

You could ask your doc about ropinirole or pramipexole, both of which are used for RLS. There is actually a Restless Legs Scale, which your doc will probably use to decide whether to use these drugs or not; it can be found on the internet.

Not a recommendation, but you're probably better off saying you suffer with this condition generally, but you'll also need to be sure that these drugs can be used for opioid withdrawal-induced RLS, which again will be on the internet somewhere.

Yes and you know how to administer it.

The w/d from Kratom is almost as bad as oxycodone...

I've used Kratom for nearly 2 yrs. & have not experienced w/ds. I only use it when needed.

AGREED.

Be careful with Kratom. Don't let anyone fool you.

It can be a useful tool for quitting opioids, BUT is an opioid itself. So you've been warned.

Ok, I just happened to see this post - care to elaborate on what you are referring to since I have never talked about having any experience with Kratom on these threads?

I don't think Kratom is an opioid. but it does work on the opioid receptors in the brain. it is not controlled in the states but it is on the list of substances of concern.

Correct, Kratom is not an opioid.

Its true that Kratom is not an opiate but it does bind to the opiate receptors and in many ways acts just like a true opiate...only bettert in my opinion....Id rather have Kratom any day..hands down

Tell that to the people who have become habituated to it and gone through serious withdrawal suffering when discontinuing its use.
I'm sure they will feel better knowing that it is not officially classified as an opioid.
At that point, what difference does it make?

that wasn't the original point. someone had just wrongly called it an opioid, which it is not. with that being said. someone should always do their homework before putting any "drug" or medication in their body. you have withdrawals because the receptors are begging to be filled up with something.

It sounds like some people might have knowledge about Kratom addiction and withdrawal from it. I started using Kratom in April after reading here on DB from 2 posters I had come to admire and trust that it was wonderful stuff. Specifically, the ultra enhanced indo, a type that a few vendors carry. I now know that UEI is probably the strongest type of Kratom, I did not understand that then. I ran out one Friday night and did not get more until the next Tuesday morning. That is how I know there is a problem. I did not recognize what was happening to me until several hours passed and I understood full blown withdrawal.I had no idea I had a problem. Not a clue. Now I know and am terrified, ashamed and over my head financially. I am slowly using less. I have not let myself run out again. There is little information on the problems with Kratom. Much more on its merits. Advice?

My advice is to taper off of it as quickly as you can.
Sounds like it is doing nothing but creating problems for you currently, right?
Given its chemical action, I'm not at all surprised you suffered the withdrawals you describe.

Washcook, what withdrawal symptoms did you experience specifically? Your experience would add to the knowledge here.

I use UEI when I use Kratom, but I don't use it every day and when I do use it, I don't use it more than once a day. I don't think I have experienced any withdrawals, but I would like to compare notes.

I'm pretty curious as to what this stuff is like?

does it work for pain relief? I've heard its speedy if you do a little, and opiate like with a higher dosage (or vice-versa, don't remember)

could anyone describe what its like to me?

Taking Soma feels like being drunk to me, further, I think that taking too much of it during opiate w/d would make certain side effects worse (I won't be crude by saying which, but let's just say that people in w/d spend enough time running to the bathroom as it is.)

I'll see if there is a Kratom thread alive so we can post info. Everyone is right. Kratom is not an opioid but can feel like one because of it's chemical makeup. And yes if used to get high for a long period of time one will find it uncomfortable at an abrubt stop.

There are Kratom threads, if you want to read through them.
Briefly, it does not really work for pain, it has a slight euphoria, and it works wonders for opiate withdrawals. And apparently, it has its own withdrawal syndrome.

I take it when I need to scale back on my meds.

I'm guessing this is legal in the united states since I've seen a bunch of sites offering this very openly.

if it doesn't have any pain releaving abilities, I'd say this should probably be in the drug detox/withdrawal or whatever that part of the forum is called.