You know after watching all the latest media stories etc, it got me wondering.

How do they fake their MRI's, all these people I see on TV and news fake a medical problem, but all these clinics require documentation, ie MRI or XRAYS.

Do all these drugdealers or others have something wrong with them. If so, then why are they all coming down to florida, why not just find a compassionate doc in their state. It makes no sense to me. I mean, that is what I am trying to do, find a local compassionate doc.

Or is there something nefarious going on, I mean how would you fake a MRI? Maybe that is what LE needs to tackle, because the people ,faking their condition, are selling or abusing it. And those people had to have altered the MRI or XRAY in some way in order to get treated. IMO, the lied and misrepresented to the doctor. How can you fault the doc if he sees the problem and documentation, patient says he is severe pain, and medication is the desired approach.

So why not just focus in on the XRAY and MRI part of the process, that is where the real fraud is it sounds like. How are they managing get through that loop.

Sorry if this is not that lucid, bad migraine+ 2 perc= no migraine and sleep in about 60 seconds

often times a doctor only wants to see an mri report and those would be pretty easy to fake. often times a doctor cannot read the actual xray/mri and goes from what the report states. showing some doctors the actual mri is like showing them a chinese menu with no english.

those ads are even posted in bathroom stalls, which i find the funniest of all.

No but I mean what would the MRI report say? It would have to say some kind of problem for them to actually prescribe, so are they faking the report?

the report could say there are herniations on every disc in one's back, which could definitely get a drug seeker their narcotics. and yeah, a report can easily be faked. now if the doctor calls the mri center to verify it, itll be known it was a fraudulent document but i would guess a doctor hardly checks up on it.

it sucks bc its those douches who screw up the system for people who legitimately need medicine.

thats my point snippets, I think that is the missing link in stopping so called pill mills where doctors are legitimately scripting but for conditions that have been faked.

They need to implement a system to verify testing etc. So these fools are basically just writing out one of those findings MRI reports and putting that kind of [censored] on them. I mean how obvious can it be. Some of these docs for sure must be what boils down to drug dealers.

I mean I have no prob for treating FM or any phantom pain, headaches, and basically any other legitimate pain. I think docs should liberally write whatever script anyone that is in legitimate pain needs and requests for that matter. But I draw the line at doctors who write scripts knowing full well that it is probably going to travel WV to be sold to kids and drug addicts.

I am sure that is only a fraction of doctors, but the rest of the doctors need to wise up and start checking records for accuracy so they don't get duped.

Of course the government could just give back all our freedoms we lost when they banned controlled substances. Something most people don't know is that it is unconstitutional for them to ban narcotics from p2p sale. But they got by that ingeniously in the early 20th century by taxing all those items, but only handing out tax licenses to posses them to medical practitioners etc. Just incredible.

Anyway, however it is handled, the CP patient needs to be protected from the harm both the government and these drug deadbeats are doing to us.

Morning Painstaking,

Could you elaborate? I don't understand this point, but it sounds interesting. What is p2p?

Meon

Ya absolutely. in th 1910s, they passed the Harrison Narcotics Tax Act. It was the first such piece of legislation to ever try and combat distribution and possession of narcotics. It was initially proposed for very bad reasons, ie racism. Anyway, it set out to disallow distribution except by a licensed doctor. It actually established that phrase in "the due course of practice" by a doctor.

Well it is a tax act, because that is the only way they could do it, and it was quite ingenious. See they could not pass an act of prohibition of a substance in congress. It was considered unconstitutional. The last time it was done was for alcohol, and that required changing the constitution, the 18th amendment, and repealed by the 21st amendment.

So they passed this tax, and the federal government now had the ability to control the sale of narcotics through the use of taxes, and only granting permits to licensed physicians.

I am not a law scholar, so I do not know how the states come into this, but I am under the impression that the states do not have this limitation. They never had the worry of this and so they can make laws punishing possession. Take for example california though: they legalized medical marijuana, but that still does not matter, because federal law trumps state law. So anyone possessing it is still going to be arrested by a federal agent. The only way to accomplish this is to repeal the harrison act and similar acts and leave it up to the states to decide.

Now as for unconstitutionality, I think it is defined in the commerce clause that they could not regulate local affairs. The federal government could not accomplish this without that tax act, and it started the rollercoaster of events that led to the CSA. I am not too knowledgable on the CSA, but I believe that is a whole other beast. It is my understanding that they now disregarded the commerce clause and under supreme court precedent??? now passed the CSA which was basically able to criminalize possession instead of just sales, and on the federal level.

So now who knows, but I will tell you one thing, at the turn of the century, most of our citizens believed, as did the Supreme Court and our government that they neither could regulate narcotic possession nor could they interfere in any other local affairs as per the commerce clause of the constitution. Now, our laws have been perversed to the point where our government has complete control of our lives and the ability to do WHATEVER they want. I mean they can regulate any industry etc etc

This has been an issue for a LONG, LONG time, hence the reason for the Civil War, Federal gov't telling states what to do.

I live in Mi and we just pasted the medical marijuana law. As long as you have the med card for marijuana , the feds well not mess with you. But your right , they could if they wanted to.
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Same here in Colorado. Although didn't the Feds just pass some ruling stating that mj busts were no longer a priority in states where is was ok'd for medical use?

The docs and the dispensories (sp?) are all over the papers. Ads everywhere. Real estate is experience a bit of a boom.

Very interesting.

Just from what I have been told from a friend who lives in the Palm Beach Area as I asked her about the Pain Clinics.

You do not need an MRI for a visit in many as they will take it on premise for a steep fee. The Dr will examine the results and of course find a problem to justify the expense/profit of prescribing and filling the prescriptions from the office pharmacy at a high cost. In the past few months many have been closed as the Feds, whoever, have found that many MRI's have been duplicated in others files to show justification when it was not so. Although their new PMP laws do not go into effect until 2010, the scutiny is on. She use to go to one clinic that was for pain and diet for 8 yrs, but they closed their doors in July as the Dr was relieved of his license.

Funky is right as it is in the news daily in one county or another. Saying that, I am sure someone can find a clinic to service them, but I truly believe the laws will become much stricter in the near future.

Great info new4here. I would imagine though it is extremely hard to find a no record pain management doc now.

So my question though is how is docs in flordia these days though with stuff like fibro CFS, or chronic headaches.

I lived in southern Florida for a few years and I don't remember having any problems with pain clinics over prescribing at that time.

I now live in TN and doctors are very reluctant to prescribe anything.

I live in NC and suffer with Fibro. The docs here will only prescribe motrin and lyrica for my pain and it just isnt enough. I need help in finding a good clinic that understands the pain that i am going through. I have read all the posts and been helpful but would like to find someone in northern florida if possible. I will drive to southern fl. if i have to so i can get the relief and meds that i need, but traveling is painful and I dont really have time to 'doc shop'. If anyone has suggestions I would love to hear them asap. Thanks!

I tore my ACL and both meniscus in my right knee as well as dislocating my knee cap a few years ago. It was the second time I had this injury the first time on the left knee. I had surgery the first time but haven't done it for my right knee. Both knees now have been causing me much pain and some days I am reluctant to go to class because walking around campus hurts. I have trouble falling asleep because of the feeling in my knees when I lay down after walking around during the day. I've gained weight because I can't continue my exercise routine. I can't ride my motorcycle comfortably anymore. Two large bumps of what feels like bone have been growing at the base of both knees. I have no cartlidge left to cushion between the bones. It's really interfering with my life at this point. I saw a doctor at a pain clinic in Miami and he prescribed Vic's then told me to see his surgeon but I don't want to deal with seeing other people. I'm looking for a doctor in Dade or Broward that isn't going to make this difficult for me. The only thing that has helped significantly was Roxicodone 15 and 30 mg pills that my friend hooked me up with. I'd rather not buy them on the street. Does anyone know a doctor that'll just prescribe me at this point...I know they've been cracking down but I got an actual problem here...

If anyone would please help like hook me up with their doctor or someone they know it would be greatly appreciated. Hopefully, we can work something out. Just hit me up and we can talk in private please thanks.

I am sorry for your pain. Your story shows how quickly it escalates and can impact so many areas of one's life.

Couple thoughts/facts.

You will not be able to send or receive pms until you have 25 posts.

Most folks won't share the name of their doctors w/a new member as noone really knows who you are and docs get harassed by the DEA all the time for being compassionate.

Even the walk-in pain clinic docs would probably ask you to see a surgeon or an orthopedic doctor. They may script you one time or two, but doubt they would for any length of time. The reason being that you could be harming yourself by masking your pain instead of taking care of the problem, as it is one that could perhaps be resolved.

Now if you had records from an orthopedic doctor that said surgery would not help and you only need pain management, perhaps you would fare better in your search.

There are also face to face services available which are referral services to compassionate doctors. However, these doctors often will only script what one has already been scripted and have been known to say no. Plus they are very expensive. There is a forum which describes the services

You are young, I guess?, and so that makes doctors dig in their heels even more - requiring that all alternatives be tried before supporting pain mgt as the solution.

I have several questions about this thread seeing as it is quite old, yet many people still reply.

I am 21, living in south FL, and have exeprienced Back pain for the past 8 years. I am also currently serving in the reserves. about a year ago, I had gone to the VA clinic due to the back pain, they had given me about 15 muscle relaxers, that did not do anything but put me to sleep. After comming for a followup and taking an xray, I was told that I should just take ibuprofen and that would do the trick. unfortunately, it Didn't. A couple months ago I went to Brazil to visit family, and went to a chiropractor down there. He prescribed me 30 more muscle relaxers (Cyclobenzaprine?) i believe, which also did not do a single thing except put me to sleep. I still have half the bottle gathering dust in my medicine cabinet.

I am wondering how these Pain clinics work, what they would ask of me, and what I should expect of them. Also any prices for consult/xray/mri/prescriptions that any of them may charge.

I apreciate the help, and feel free to PM me if you wish.

Vinneh, it depends on what your XRAY shows! It sounds as though the xray was normal considering the docs told you to take ibuprofen after examining it. If this is the case, then you will not get anything from any of these clinics. It is really for people that have proof of pain and then it is very liberal. There are those exceptions though that treat fibro or migraines or something like that, but those are few and far between, and even then, it will be tough to get anyone to reveal that info for fear of losing their ability to get the meds. Tough position, I know, but maybe we can find some vets on here who know more about the VA system and can enlighten you. If the XRAY does show something, then you will not have a problem. Just read up on this thread or others and grab I think the New Times and find yourself a clinic, then bring the records. Act quickly though, because florida is about to get real tough on CP patients.

I am going to be in Orlando area in mid January. I have had several a few surgeries on a degenrative disc in my L4 L5 region. I also have 3 herniated discs in my neck. My doctor recomended i get a fusion in my neck that i refused. So i have been on various types of pain meds. vicodin, percocet, opana, lortab. But i will be in orlando for some time for business and wont be back in chicago for a few months. With that being said i will miss my normal month visit and no meds.

Where can i go get meds in the orlando area? I have mri's and reports to back me up.
please help!

I know a lot of good doc in orlando, but my pm is disabled.

glaz, I am just curious as to why you refused the fusion surgery in the cervical region. I think that decision is not bad, but I was under the impression that cervical fusions are much more successful than others.

I was operated on for Cervical Canal Stenosis in 2000 at the Cleveland Clinic. (which was a total success and no problems since) Besides needing bone grafts I also was a candidate for fusion in one area. I did not want fusion in the neck region as in many it affects mobility which is why some decline that option. They performed a new procedure as I had to also have some titanium braces put in that actually with screw placement negated the fusion. In some I know fusion has not been an issue, but in others neck mobility can be a problem and if the fusion is not correctly performed can cause worse problems long term. Just what I have been told by those that had had it.

New, That is quite accurate and I think you are dead on. It is really a personal choice and there are both risks and definite problems you might or will have afterward. But, cervical issues are much easier and have a better prognosis than thoracic or lumbar in surgical interventions. I know it is not comforting to anyone with cervical issues, but it is something to consider. Sounds like you had a great outcome though!

All in all, I was pretty lucky with my cervical surgery (C5-C6 with titanium screws & plate, something called "Bone Matrix", and some bone cadaver...) This was in 2003.

I still have occasional pain & nerve tingling. But, I found a pain clinic that has so far done what I asked re intermittent pain. I have posted above in this thread.

While working with the Miami pain clinic, I went and had MRIs re-done on my neck (cervical) again as well as my upper back where I get SEVERE pain from time to time. This back pain (intermittent) has been a part of my life for decades. I really hope that the Florida pain clinics can stay in business through the hysteria re addiction. And I only want some 150 hydro/actet 10/650s per year...

oxyvodone 30mg,

I am coming back to Orlando to visit this week. I was hoping you would see this and post some contact info so I could maybe get in to see one? Thanks

Orlando docs or clinics? And do any of them have on site dispensing? names of places and personal experiences would be helpful.

i would suggest looking in the back of the free papers like the ones at blockbuster and similar spots. i've continued to hear rumors about on-site dispensing being a thing of the past starting 1/01 but that didn't change, at least where i go. also, i've been hearing (again, just rumors) that most places will not be accepting any patients without an ID from florida. even my spot will say this over the phone, but i've had several friends go, and fill on-site, so apparently it's business as usual. also, if anyone knows of any decent places around the jacksonville area please let me know. thanks.

I am from florida just the panhandle. i will be in orlando this week and was hoping to find a doc. my old one is in winter park but not sure how it will go. i do have a florida id,mri and pharmacy printout. do you go in orlando? thanks for the help