does anyone know of any possible source to procure buprenorphine. i've looked on the internet and some sites offer it but when you try to order, it does not work. thanks, ernie

U2RX.com has it and I have ordered from them. They are based out of the phillipines. It's kind of pricey but they have great packaging and delivery to U.S.A takes about 10-14days. (pay by Western Union)

.2mg at over 200.00 is insane!(U2RX.com) listed as temegesic...I could be way off base here JMO

2mg or 8mg subligual tabs are the way to go but you must dee a Doc that can prescribe them. (at .2mg per tab that would be 40 8mg tabs)

2mg works for me no WD at all

Good Luck and find a good doc

just wait a while, they are releasing a generic in the near future, so the price from the pharmacy will drop

I second this. I've used them 4-5 times, all for buprenorphine and they came through every time in 13 days to midwest USA. Average quality.

But remember, asking for suboxone and buprenorphine are like asking for 2 different drugs, even though they are the same drug. Buprenorphine .2mg tablets are used for pain relief. 2mg and 8mg suboxone tablets are used for opiate addicts as maintanence. I've found the bupe from U2rx.com to be a perfect pain reliever for me (as of last May), but I haven't ordered recently.

If you are used to taking 8mg suboxone tablets, don't bother with Temgesic (buprenorphine .2mg), you'll have to suck on mouthloads of them to get the effects. But for people looking for pain relief, I've found U2rx.com to be reliabe for bupe. However, people are recieving fake DHC and codeine from them, so buyer beware right now. I haven't ordered from them in months, so I can't comment on any recent change or the recent quality of meds.

I'd like to point out that suboxone does come in the 2mg and 8mg tabs but also have the naloxone in them to prevent abuse. now, subutex comes in the same dosages but like temgesic is bupe alone. just wanted to point this out for those of you who .2mg aren't cutting the pain relief.

i am also intesrested in where to get suboxone.

yeah, me too, and maybe someone knowledgeable can tell me if Suboxone will help with Tramadol detox at all

***Remember that this forum is to discuss Who offers it? How Much?, Please stay on topic***

I don't know the site off hand, and I"m sure a quick search on google will turn something up. but there are sites that list doctors that are able to script it for addiction. and there are bunches of them all over.

I guess I'm looking for Suboxone, not bupren. I don't need something for pain, only detox. I've got a number of problems stemming from my high daily doses. I'm worried mainly about the physical effects. I got to using Tramadol mainly unintentionally. My PCP prescribed me 100ea x 15 refills for back pain. I was diagnosed with major depressive disorder. The tram helped with both issues.

My thought was since people have used tram to taper off narcotics, suboxone from narcotics, then could you use Suboxone for tram. I've heard all about the miserable withdrawls and tapering would take a long time for me. I was hoping there might be detox/rehab gurus running around on DB who would know.

Okay, I'll try this again.
Using Suboxone or Subutex to discontinue Tramadol is a very bad idea. If you think tapering off of Tramadol would be difficult, you would be facing the same or probably worse problems trying to discontinue Suboxone eventually.
Please do yourself a big favor and just set up a taper schedule from Tramadol and stick to it. There are other ways to accomplish this as well but switching to a harm reduction treatment like Suboxone is not one of them.
You will pay more money and still be stuck with a substance problem.

yeah, I don't want to trade one problem for another. I was hoping to accomplish the process quickly instead of drawing it out. I'm so upset at myself. I heard about rapid detox, but that's not available in my area. I can't do inpatient treatment either for personal reasons.

Do you think he/she might be helped by the 0.2 mg temgesic? I would think that it would be less addictive than Tramadol as I've taken both and can tell you that Tramadol gives you an actual high, whereas bupe mainly takes away cravings and does help with the pain. IMO I think it would help but everybody is different. mthomas i'm not saying you should follow my advice as it's just a theory...maybe see what some other posters think about this before making a decision.

this was off topic sorry admin

You are going too have a hard time finding anything other than the .2mg tabs online. Every great once in a while suboxone shows up online but its rare, and in limited quantities. There is also the issue of strength difference in temgesic(sp?) and Suboxone/subutex. They give .2mg for pain, where they give 2mg minimum for opioid wd/mantinence. It doesn't seem like a big deal, but if you are a pain management patient, there could be some major issues with a switch to any bupenoropin medication. If you are dependent on opioids and switch to bupe too quickly you go through precipitated withdrawels. It's like going through w/d's but really quickly, and it is about 10x more painful. (I know, did it once huge huge mistake). Once you were switched, if you couldn't get the .2 tabs, you aren't going to be able to break a 2mg suboxone into 10 equal pieces, or an 8mg into 40 equal pieces. That's going out on a limb and saying you found them in the first place which is unlikely. Inversely, if you are on an opioid mantinence method and you can only find the .2 tabs, you will be disolving them all day under your tongue. Gonna take a long time too dissolve somewhere between 10 and 40. You can't just swallow it either, won't work. This isn't something I say often because it's the reason this web site is here, but I'd only get this with a doctor, and take what the dr says with a grain of salt. A doctor nearly killed me with this [censored]].


P.S. To the people looking to get off Tramadol using suboxone. You should know that suboxone is way way way stronger than Tramadol. That's like trying to detox from codine using oxycodone. In fact, the gap in strength is big enough that it could overdose and kill you. I was taking 2 OC 80's per day and got switched off to suboxone in rehab, 2 8mg suboxone had me hugging the toilet for about 16 hours. Then I slept for a day, lesson, Don't play around with bupe even though I was in a medical setting, this was early in the days of suboxone and they didn't have correct dosage conversion for it those days. Just take it from someone who has been in a worse position than you, just don't go there you are moving to a stronger drug. Do a taper of Tramadol, you could reduce by 1 pill per day and be ok down too 1. Id stay at 1 for about a week, then go too a half for a week then quit. Or just outright quit like I learned was the best way to go really.

I know this is half way off topic, and I apologize, but this isn't a medication to be trifled with. Bupenorophin is a strong medication. The strongest opioid that you take orally. Only fentynal is stronger. I feel like any time I can inform people of what they are dealing with in this setting where someone may get it, and never see a doctor, this little speech needs to be served up. This stuff was made to replace heroin/name of other really strong opiate here in an addicts system, not get people off of Tramadol as it is one of the weakest opioid based medications available. I'm not putting anyone down, I just don't want to see anyone die. Take it from someone that learned their lessons the hard way, don't trade one crutch for another, just start walking on your own again. It won't be easy but you will run eventually.

I'm just letting you know this in case you didn't know. you're supposed to wait until withdrawals start before taking your first dose of subutex.

Thanks Secobarb for the input. I feel like I should just bite the bullet and go see a PCP to hear the straight poop. I sure don't want to. I'm certainly not checking myself into Talbot Hall in this lifetime. If need be, I'll taper for as long as it takes. I couldn't reduce my dose by one pill per day. I tried that and within a few days I felt like I had the flu when I did that. The whole buprenorphine/Suboxone question was asked cause I'm completely ignorant about the medications used for detox.

Yea, when I was in treatment, I was a bad boy and would still do dope, OCS, and whatever else sometimes so long as I didn't have a drug test coming up. You don't have to wait as long as they make you, but you should wait atleast a day, you can take it right when you start to feel uncomfortable.

If you tell a PCP you have a drug problem they will send you too a 30-90 day treatment center. I'd put heavy thinking into telling a doctor. All of a sudden, what you say doesn't even matter because you are an addict. I regret treatment. I sent you a PM, lets talk about it. It's not as bad as you think ok?

Do a search on Kratom; I was using up to 6 tramadols a day, and stopped using them with Kratom. I also wouldn't tell my PCP I had a problem with a pain killer...it will go on your records, and if you need a strong pain killer some day, you may have a problem (hell you may have a problem getting your doctor to write for a codeine cough syrup!)

I don't see how Tramadol is addictive. I see how serious opiates (hydrocodone through fentynal) are addictive but Tramadol doesn't do anything for me on either scale. Not saying I'm trying too get high all the time, my back hurts me too no end. I've taken Tramadol but it might as well have been tylenol. I have only heared withdrawels are bad from people on that specific drug. Never heared anyone that was on oxy other hardcore narcotics say anything about the withdrawel, or suggest it for withdrawel. I have heared darvocet be menioned because of the tiny amount of narcotics in it, but people I knew at the time took them because they would help with withdrawel.

In some formularys that I have seen, Tramadol is actually listed under Narcotic.

On sites like B***light, I have read posts from folks on how to use and abuse these things.

I agree with you though, I do not see the attraction...

Not so true. The bupe doctor I go to is very compassionate and everything is kept confidential.

Edit: supposed too be private.

A bupe DR. Yes a PCP is a different story. He sees you for everything and will never give you a narcotic again unless you are in the hospital and in bad shape. That stuff is on your record. Notice how hospitals ask for all your info when you go in? That's too pull up your medical background. Narcotic treatment shows up no narcotics under any circumstances to take home

I can assure you tram is addictive. I built up a lot of tolerance, too, over the past 18 months. The main attraction for me was not so much the pain relief as the mood elevation effect. I need to be referred word of mouth to one of the docs CircleK knows. Can't learn a thing online about the mindset of the doc

Keep the feedback coming folks, and thanks

Please don't switch Tramadol for bupe. This will only add to your problems.


I made a post earlier and erased because this really belongs in the drug dependence section. But...

The comparison I made was using diacetyl morphine (heroin) for oxycodone addiction.

Or maybe it was using oxycodone for hydrocodone addiction.

I hope you can see the correlations here. The point is their illogical. Many people who use Bupe end up on it for more than a year. If you are struggling "kicking" Tramadol, you'll have a nightmare "kicking" bupe. You really gotta start tapering. It might take a long time, but it'll be worth it in my opinion.

Couldn't have said it better myself, it would be as bad as going too the methadone clinic for your problem. You are switching for a more addictive drug. I know you feel like [censored]] when you don't take it, but sometimes you gotta take the bull by the horns. If I can cold turkey off two oc 80's a day, you can kick your Tramadol I have that much faith in you and I've never even met you!

p.s. My anology was using oxycodone to kick your codine habit.

Where is the drug dependence?