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#948218 - 10/23/09 02:18 PM OMG Drop the Internet and Just Go to Florida!!!!!
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Just saw an episdoe of Vanguard (it's like a new 60 Minutes type show) called "Oxycontin Express". You can see it for yourself at www.hulu.com and all I can say is forget the internet and just go to Florida.

They have acres and acres of pain clinics with NO prescription monitoring. They only take cash and the Oxycontin Express is a reference to all the people in the Ohio, Kentucky and West Virginia area who take montly flights down there.

When I heard Kentucky had a problem with oxy, I thought the docs were over prescribing in Kentucky. The problem is they are all flying down to Florida to get 100's of oxy's and it's all legal!!!! All in their name!!!!!

They went inside one clinic with an undercover camera and there were hundreds of people waiting and they each are paying $200 to see the doc.

I know the scripts are expensive when you pay cash but hell, it's a lock if you go to Florida. Fort Lauderdale specifically I heard mentioned.

You pay $300 for a round trip ticket to Fort Lauderdale. See three docs ($600), easily get 120 oc's each if not more. They run about $1500 cash each at the pharmacy so that's $4500. 360 oc's is well............you figure out how much they are worth!!!!!

Remember, docs don't talk to docs, pharms don't talk to pharms when it's all cash. When you use your insurance is when you get caught!!!! Keep it all cash and you're good to go right now. I'm talking you can go to your nearest airport, hop on a flight to Fort Laureldale and you'll have a script in hand in 4 hours. Filled in 5. Guarenteed.

Oh, by the way, the number that got my attention the most.............of all the oxy products prescribed in the entire USA...........85% of it comes from the state of Florida.

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#948220 - 10/23/09 02:32 PM Re: OMG Drop the Internet and Just Go to Florida!!!!! [Re: RonAllen]
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Wow, that is super suprising. I wonder how long it will last before they all get busted, espicially with tv shows already documenting it.

Good to know tho....
85%, that is unbeliveable.
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#948224 - 10/23/09 02:37 PM Re: OMG Drop the Internet and Just Go to Florida!!!!! [Re: RonAllen]
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Ron- It's always good to read your latest bulletin about the most efficient means currently available to glom onto several hundred OxyContin tablets. You've even spent the time necessary to figure out how much profit can be made by flying down to Florida and then re-selling them locally.
Please keep everyone up to date on any further discoveries you make in this area.
Your input is just without peer.

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#948230 - 10/23/09 02:49 PM Re: OMG Drop the Internet and Just Go to Florida!!!!! [Re: martind]
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Originally Posted By: martind
Ron- It's always good to read your latest bulletin about the most efficient means currently available to glom onto several hundred OxyContin tablets. You've even spent the time necessary to figure out how much profit can be made by flying down to Florida and then re-selling them locally.
Please keep everyone up to date on any further discoveries you make in this area.
Your input is just without peer.


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#948233 - 10/23/09 02:56 PM Re: OMG Drop the Internet and Just Go to Florida!!!!! [Re: OldandWorn]
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I have about 50,000 frequent flyer miles if anyone is interested. I'm selling 5000 miles a pop, all blistered and in descrete packaging. rofl5


Edited by wofer (10/23/09 02:57 PM)
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#948254 - 10/23/09 03:46 PM Re: OMG Drop the Internet and Just Go to Florida!!!!! [Re: wofer]
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#948414 - 10/23/09 11:49 PM Re: OMG Drop the Internet and Just Go to Florida!!!!! [Re: musician7]
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I watched this. I don't think I'd risk it and get three different scripts to the same meds though. thats just getting greedy and I think one could be caught.

this did make me want to move to Florida though. just seems like you've gotta jump through less hoops to get the meds that you know will work.
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#948423 - 10/24/09 12:30 AM Re: OMG Drop the Internet and Just Go to Florida!!!!! [Re: wofer]
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Are they brand name or generic ??? speechless2

Originally Posted By: wofer
I have about 50,000 frequent flyer miles if anyone is interested. I'm selling 5000 miles a pop, all blistered and in descrete packaging. rofl5

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#948427 - 10/24/09 12:48 AM Re: OMG Drop the Internet and Just Go to Florida!!!!! [Re: RonAllen]
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Originally Posted By: RonAllen


You pay $300 for a round trip ticket to Fort Lauderdale. See three docs ($600), easily get 120 oc's each if not more. They run about $1500 cash each at the pharmacy so that's $4500. 360 oc's is well............you figure out how much they are worth!!!!!

Remember, docs don't talk to docs, pharms don't talk to pharms when it's all cash. When you use your insurance is when you get caught!!!! Keep it all cash and you're good to go right now. I


yes, docs do talk to docs, and you would be surprised how many pharms share info. even though the PMP in not fully enacted until the end of the year, pharms are already linking together to CTA. a lady at my pain clinic was just arrested last week for filling her script and filling another script at a hospital. they called the cops on her right there. she was freaking out.

also, there are mandatory minimums here, look it up. when you get caught doc shopping they weigh the pills, first offense and depending on weight, you are looking at 4 years, over 14 grams 20 years, over a lb or something more, life... mandatory, no pleas deals, no nothing, you do the time. and i dont want to hear our prisons are to full, you will get probation. i live here, i see it happen. they make room for people that are doctor shopping. florida cops live to bust people doing this. (even if they are legit CP patients) in their eyes no one needs that many pills, and they are probably right. there are accounts of people going to prison with legit prescriptions just because of the count and the DEA thinks no one should need that many pills so they hit them with intent to distribute even though technically some of them have done nothing wrong.

i dare you to go to 3 docs and take the chance that the 3 pharms are not connected. you MIGHT get lucky, my bet is you wont, even with mom and pop shops. the last 2 months my regular mom n pop was out, so they sent me to one 15 miles away, i was already in their system, then they sent me to another the next month i was already in their system. all different pharmacies, all independently owned. i would have had no idea unless my regular pharmacist had sent me over to these other pharms.

with the heat of all these news articles and the "oxycontin express", everyone is cracking down, out of state plates are getting pulled over by cops who stake out the pain clinics and pull people over as they pull out. they will literally take the medication and count it, if more than 1 pill is missing and there are other people with you, you are going downtown for distribution. if they find anther bottle of pills from a different doc, even more screwed. this is no joke. and if someone is with you and has a loose pill in their pocket and your bottle is one short, you get hit with distribution. florida is not the wild west it used to be.

go to you tube and google oxycontin and south florida. you will find way to many videos of people getting arrested and going to jail. all because of videos/amateur documentaries like this vanguard one. locals are also filming out of staters plates and sending them to the cops and posting on youtube.

in fact because of this most clinics have stopped seeing out of state patients. if you own property here they will see you with proper documentation and a referral. if not, see ya later. or here are 20 norco to get yourself home. they are all changing because of all this media hype. (most of them were legit all along, but there were some lazy ones) the lazy ones have woken up as they do not want to go to jail.

in 6 months 98% of these pain clinics will be gone. that is a fact. it is on the news every night.

go ahead and take the chances if you want. but if you end up in a florida prison, do not say i didn't warn you. florida is not all fun and beaches.



Edited by funkybreakz (10/24/09 12:56 AM)
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#948465 - 10/24/09 04:50 AM Re: OMG Drop the Internet and Just Go to Florida!!!!! [Re: funkybreakz]
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First post in a while, just have to say that isINSANE!!!!
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#948493 - 10/24/09 08:35 AM Re: OMG Drop the Internet and Just Go to Florida!!!!! [Re: DeeRock]
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Originally Posted By: DeeRock
I watched this. I don't think I'd risk it and get three different scripts to the same meds though. thats just getting greedy and I think one could be caught.

this did make me want to move to Florida though. just seems like you've gotta jump through less hoops to get the meds that you know will work.



I would be scared shiteless to do something like that , i get nervous just taking my regular prescriptions to the pharmacy, and with all the publicity this oxy express is getting it will soon crash and burn.

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#948495 - 10/24/09 08:51 AM Re: OMG Drop the Internet and Just Go to Florida!!!!! [Re: MdtnBill]
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You'll note that RonAllen didn't say that HE was going to fly from New Jersey to Florida to score all of these pills.
Apparently his advice is for everyone else to do it and then report back how it worked out for them.
Another unselfish contribution from the diabolical mind of DrFriday.

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#948501 - 10/24/09 09:35 AM Re: OMG Drop the Internet and Just Go to Florida!!!!! [Re: funkybreakz]
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Originally Posted By: funkybreakz
Also, there are mandatory minimums here, look it up. when you get caught doc shopping they weigh the pills, first offense and depending on weight, you are looking at 4 years, over 14 grams 20 years, over a lb or something more, life... mandatory, no pleas deals, no nothing, you do the time.


Thanks FB for the info. I don't live in Florida but if Florida has these minimums, I am sure other states do too.

Seems like an extreme punishment for doctor shopping for personal use. Guess the legal assumption is one is doctor shopping for distribution purposes, as you mentioned.
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#948641 - 10/24/09 04:38 PM Re: OMG Drop the Internet and Just Go to Florida!!!!! [Re: meonlyits]
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Well, really, if you have a doctor that will give you 120 OCS a month and something for breakthru pain, if your not a cancer patient, you have a problem, and should be dealing with it.

My issue with this is, is that they are throwing people in jail who need treatment. And it seems to me, that up to this point it's been all about punishing the patient,.. and the doctor just gets to sit back and write scripts to who knows how many patients, many of which will become addicted and possibly procecuted. Because there doctor was over perscribing them meds. Shouldn't the doctor be heald more accountable than the cp patients?????

I mean if cpers are getting meds in a large amount or not, that is the DOCTORS call. Not theirs. No CP patient is going to turn down medication that may help increase their qol,.. I think if your not shopping, or distributing, than you shouldn't be punished. If the state or dea or whatever doesn't think you need that many meds,.. they need to go after the source who is most likely doing that to ALOT of his patients.

I really felt bad for that mother and son, the mother because shes lost a son and daughter in law. The son because he's battling depression and addiction and 2 great losses due to the same thing he is battling... it's so sad.


Edited by Kimberly555 (10/24/09 04:39 PM)
Edit Reason: spelling
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#948642 - 10/24/09 04:46 PM Re: OMG Drop the Internet and Just Go to Florida!!!!! [Re: meonlyits]
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ok, i was a little off in the mandatory minimums, but here is the law in FLA-->
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(c)1. Any person who knowingly sells, purchases, manufactures, delivers, or brings into this state, or who is knowingly in actual or constructive possession of, 4 grams or more of any morphine, opium, oxycodone, hydrocodone, hydromorphone, or any salt, derivative, isomer, or salt of an isomer thereof, including heroin, as described in s. 893.03(1)(b), (2)(a), (3)(c)3., or (3)(c)4., or 4 grams or more of any mixture containing any such substance, but less than 30 kilograms of such substance or mixture, commits a felony of the first degree, which felony shall be known as "trafficking in illegal drugs," punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084. If the quantity involved:

a. Is 4 grams or more, but less than 14 grams, such person shall be sentenced to a mandatory minimum term of imprisonment of 3 years, and the defendant shall be ordered to pay a fine of $50,000.
b. Is 14 grams or more, but less than 28 grams, such person shall be sentenced to a mandatory minimum term of imprisonment of 15 years, and the defendant shall be ordered to pay a fine of $100,000.
c. Is 28 grams or more, but less than 30 kilograms, such person shall be sentenced to a mandatory minimum term of imprisonment of 25 calendar years and pay a fine of $500,000.
2. Any person who knowingly sells, purchases, manufactures, delivers, or brings into this state, or who is knowingly in actual or constructive possession of, 30 kilograms or more of any morphine, opium, oxycodone, hydrocodone, hydromorphone, or any salt, derivative, isomer, or salt of an isomer thereof, including heroin, as described in s. 893.03(1)(b), (2)(a), (3)(c)3., or (3)(c)4., or 30 kilograms or more of any mixture containing any such substance, commits the first degree felony of trafficking in illegal drugs. A person who has been convicted of the first degree felony of trafficking in illegal drugs under this subparagraph shall be punished by life imprisonment and is ineligible for any form of discretionary early release
except pardon or executive clemency or conditional medical release under s. 947.149. However, if the court determines that, in addition to committing any act specified in this paragraph:
a. The person intentionally killed an individual or counseled, commanded, induced, procured, or caused the intentional killing of an individual and such killing was the result; or
b. The person's conduct in committing that act led to a natural, though not inevitable, lethal result,

such person commits the capital felony of trafficking in illegal drugs, punishable as provided in ss. 775.082 and 921.142. Any person sentenced for a capital felony under this paragraph shall also be sentenced to pay the maximum fine provided under subparagraph 1.
3. Any person who knowingly brings into this state 60 kilograms or more of any morphine, opium, oxycodone, hydrocodone, hydromorphone, or any salt, derivative, isomer, or salt of an isomer thereof, including heroin, as described in s. 893.03(1)(b), (2)(a), (3)(c)3., or (3)(c)4., or 60 kilograms or more of any mixture containing any such substance, and who knows that the probable result of such importation would be the death of any person, commits capital importation of illegal drugs, a capital felony punishable as provided in ss. 775.082 and 921.142. Any person sentenced for a capital felony under this paragraph shall also be sentenced to pay the maximum fine provided under subparagraph 1.
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#948645 - 10/24/09 04:56 PM Re: OMG Drop the Internet and Just Go to Florida!!!!! [Re: funkybreakz]
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Originally Posted By: funkybreakz
Originally Posted By: RonAllen


You pay $300 for a round trip ticket to Fort Lauderdale. See three docs ($600), easily get 120 oc's each if not more. They run about $1500 cash each at the pharmacy so that's $4500. 360 oc's is well............you figure out how much they are worth!!!!!

Remember, docs don't talk to docs, pharms don't talk to pharms when it's all cash. When you use your insurance is when you get caught!!!! Keep it all cash and you're good to go right now. I


yes, docs do talk to docs, and you would be surprised how many pharms share info. even though the PMP in not fully enacted until the end of the year, pharms are already linking together to CTA. a lady at my pain clinic was just arrested last week for filling her script and filling another script at a hospital. they called the cops on her right there. she was freaking out.

also, there are mandatory minimums here, look it up. when you get caught doc shopping they weigh the pills, first offense and depending on weight, you are looking at 4 years, over 14 grams 20 years, over a lb or something more, life... mandatory, no pleas deals, no nothing, you do the time. and i dont want to hear our prisons are to full, you will get probation. i live here, i see it happen. they make room for people that are doctor shopping. florida cops live to bust people doing this. (even if they are legit CP patients) in their eyes no one needs that many pills, and they are probably right. there are accounts of people going to prison with legit prescriptions just because of the count and the DEA thinks no one should need that many pills so they hit them with intent to distribute even though technically some of them have done nothing wrong.

i dare you to go to 3 docs and take the chance that the 3 pharms are not connected. you MIGHT get lucky, my bet is you wont, even with mom and pop shops. the last 2 months my regular mom n pop was out, so they sent me to one 15 miles away, i was already in their system, then they sent me to another the next month i was already in their system. all different pharmacies, all independently owned. i would have had no idea unless my regular pharmacist had sent me over to these other pharms.

with the heat of all these news articles and the "oxycontin express", everyone is cracking down, out of state plates are getting pulled over by cops who stake out the pain clinics and pull people over as they pull out. they will literally take the medication and count it, if more than 1 pill is missing and there are other people with you, you are going downtown for distribution. if they find anther bottle of pills from a different doc, even more screwed. this is no joke. and if someone is with you and has a loose pill in their pocket and your bottle is one short, you get hit with distribution. florida is not the wild west it used to be.

go to you tube and google oxycontin and south florida. you will find way to many videos of people getting arrested and going to jail. all because of videos/amateur documentaries like this vanguard one. locals are also filming out of staters plates and sending them to the cops and posting on youtube.

in fact because of this most clinics have stopped seeing out of state patients. if you own property here they will see you with proper documentation and a referral. if not, see ya later. or here are 20 norco to get yourself home. they are all changing because of all this media hype. (most of them were legit all along, but there were some lazy ones) the lazy ones have woken up as they do not want to go to jail.

in 6 months 98% of these pain clinics will be gone. that is a fact. it is on the news every night.

go ahead and take the chances if you want. but if you end up in a florida prison, do not say i didn't warn you. florida is not all fun and beaches.



Hey FB, I heard that the PMP will not be in full swing until the end of 2010. Do you know if this is true??

Also, can someone from Out of State be charged if they just go to one doctor down there, and do not distribute?


Edited by Kimberly555 (10/24/09 04:58 PM)
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#948974 - 10/25/09 02:54 PM Re: OMG Drop the Internet and Just Go to Florida!!!!! [Re: Kimberly555]
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jesus, those mandatory minimums are ridiculous. They are going to take a drug addict and throw him in jail for 3 years rather than just getting him the help he needs. WOW, all I can say is each time I see that [censored] it makes me irate and confused about this war on drugs. I mean honestly, they are issuing the same amount of time that a thief or rapist would get. And to think a child molestor in Vermont can get off scot free, but the drug addict in florida spends his life in prison. We need to take charge of our country, our founding fathers meant for us to govern ourselves, but most people just don't pay attention when our representatives trample on our rights, that is until it happens to them!

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#949052 - 10/25/09 07:42 PM Re: OMG Drop the Internet and Just Go to Florida!!!!! [Re: RonAllen]
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Quote:
hop on a flight


If one can "hop" anywhere, it's not likely they are suffering the level of pain that requires the stronger offerings among the array of pain medications. Medications so often denied to those who could most benefit medically from them.

Were I so inclined to chase this dream of a FL paradise, I'd likely end up like Ratzo Rizzo in the final scenes of Midnight Cowboy.... Truly doubt I'm the only one here with such limitations.

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Quote:
When Joe returns home later, Ratso is in bed, sweating and feverish, and admits to Joe that he is unable to walk. Joe wants to take Ratso to a doctor, but Ratso adamantly refuses. He wants to leave New York for Miami; this has been his goal the whole time. A frightened Joe is determined to take care of his friend, and leaves the apartment to scrounge some money.

With the money, Joe buys two bus tickets to Florida. During the long journey Ratso's already serious physical condition deteriorates further. During a rest stop, Joe touchingly buys bright new clothing for Ratso and himself. As they reach Florida and near Miami, Joe talks about plans to get a regular job, only to ultimately realize that Ratso has died beside him. After Joe informs the bus driver, the driver tells him that there is nothing else to do, but continue on to Miami. The film ends with Joe seated with his arm around his dead friend, numbly staring out the bus window as row after row of palm trees go by.


wiki Ratzo Rizzo

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As best as my fading memory recalls, there was another powerful scene where the bus driver asks Ratzo's stunned friend Joe to close Ratzo's eyelids for the duration of the trip.

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While the generally accepted belief is that it's often hard to separate the minority of abusers from the vast majority of folks who suffer miserably in quiet desperation, posters like Ron Allen make it easier to make that distinction. And I'm one who rarely judges folk's level of need here.

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While I wish I could have stated same as succinctly as MartinD did, but I suspect Martin's pithy wisdom went way, way over Ron Allen's head.

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#949120 - 10/25/09 11:19 PM Re: OMG Drop the Internet and Just Go to Florida!!!!! [Re: patient2all]
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funky.....dude.....are you really that stupid or what?? Come on now, I thought it was just an act?!?! Please don't tell me you are really this stupid.

Yeah, it's against the law to bring in to the state of Florida oxycodone and hydrocodone...........IF YOU DON'T HAVE A LEGAL PRESCRIPTION!!!! Are you telling me they had to actually include those words "if you don't have a legal prescription" for you to realize they meant exactly that?!?! Ah man, that is so bad.

AGAIN......going to another state to see you doctor is not illegal. Getting a valid prescription from him is not illegal. Filling that legal prescription from your doctor is not illegal and certainly going home with your legal prescription is not illegal.

It's so easy to pick out the drug seekers here on the forums when they are so obsessed with the law!!! It's funny how they don't realize how obvious they appear. The cut and paste of the actual statutes is legendary.....talk about panic mode!!!

If you're so desperate go buy some crack or something and let us legitimate pain patients rap here on the forums.

btw....that's classic deleting my replies to MY OWN thread I started. I guess I was making too much sense. Here's an idea....if you don't like what you're reading, uhm, maybe don't click on the link to come here?!?! Just a thought.


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#949122 - 10/25/09 11:27 PM Re: OMG Drop the Internet and Just Go to Florida!!!!! [Re: painstaking]
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Originally Posted By: painstaking
jesus, those mandatory minimums are ridiculous. They are going to take a drug addict and throw him in jail for 3 years rather than just getting him the help he needs. WOW, all I can say is each time I see that [censored] it makes me irate and confused about this war on drugs. I mean honestly, they are issuing the same amount of time that a thief or rapist would get. And to think a child molestor in Vermont can get off scot free, but the drug addict in florida spends his life in prison. We need to take charge of our country, our founding fathers meant for us to govern ourselves, but most people just don't pay attention when our representatives trample on our rights, that is until it happens to them!


Really good reply PS. I totally agree. What happened to punishment fits the crime?? Most people caught with narcs are just trying to survive the disease they unfortunately have. Intent is a big part of the law. Most people selling are just doing it to support their habit, not to get rich. Few do but very, very few.

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#949124 - 10/25/09 11:33 PM Re: OMG Drop the Internet and Just Go to Florida!!!!! [Re: patient2all]
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Originally Posted By: patient2all

If one can "hop" anywhere, it's not likely they are suffering the level of pain that requires the stronger offerings among the array of pain medications.



When was the last time you were ever on a plane? Do you really think people bunny hop onto a flight?? That's the whole idea of getting adequate pain relief is so you can live your life as "normal" as possible and go on flights and vacations instead of laying in bed all day in gut wrenching pain.

Posts like this from patient2all makes it quite obvious they have no clue of the true pain patient, they aren't a pain patient and have nothing to contribute to this forum.

Sad.

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#949128 - 10/25/09 11:39 PM Re: OMG Drop the Internet and Just Go to Florida!!!!! [Re: Kimberly555]
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Originally Posted By: Kimberly555
Well, really, if you have a doctor that will give you 120 ocs a month and something for breakthru pain, if your not a cancer patient, you have a problem, and should be dealing with it.



Wow and you base that statement on HOW many years of medical practice under your belt???

Opinions, just like asswholes everybody's got one. Maybe try and do some reading (or have someone read to you) and learn about the many ways patients end up with that amount of OCS.

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#949131 - 10/25/09 11:41 PM Re: OMG Drop the Internet and Just Go to Florida!!!!! [Re: RonAllen]
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#949140 - 10/26/09 12:01 AM Re: OMG Drop the Internet and Just Go to Florida!!!!! [Re: RonAllen]
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i am done with you ron, i will not put up with your lunacy and flaming. you are one piece of work. your post is reported...

I live here, i am in pain mgmt. i have watched people get busted that had legal prescriptions just from the sheer quantity. it is on the news almost daily. this is all going away, trust me. because you can not grasp the concept of the difference in going to florida to get pain meds and going to see a specialist at the mayo clinic for an ailment astounds me. did you even pay attention to that movie?

you post of coming to get 3 scrips and doc shop, figure out how much money you could make when you get home and then call me a drug seeker? that has got to be the funniest thing i have read this year. you're ignorance astounds me. but you know what, please do come on down and try to get your scripts. i would love to hear the tale of your wasted trip.

this is my last post to you, i am not stooping to your level, nor do i have the time to reply to your lunacy.

if i am that desperate go buy some crack? hahaha, ron i am a legit CPr and i get what i need for the month. there is no panic mode here, you can count on that.

take your own advice and go take a xanax and forget about your opiate addiction that you can never seem to kick.

furthermore, what about "or who is knowingly in actual or constructive possession of" do you not understand?


Edited by funkybreakz (10/26/09 12:25 AM)
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#949144 - 10/26/09 12:13 AM Re: OMG Drop the Internet and Just Go to Florida!!!!! [Re: Kimberly555]
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Originally Posted By: Kimberly555
Originally Posted By: funkybreakz
Originally Posted By: RonAllen


You pay $300 for a round trip ticket to Fort Lauderdale. See three docs ($600), easily get 120 oc's each if not more. They run about $1500 cash each at the pharmacy so that's $4500. 360 oc's is well............you figure out how much they are worth!!!!!

Remember, docs don't talk to docs, pharms don't talk to pharms when it's all cash. When you use your insurance is when you get caught!!!! Keep it all cash and you're good to go right now. I


yes, docs do talk to docs, and you would be surprised how many pharms share info. even though the PMP in not fully enacted until the end of the year, pharms are already linking together to CTA. a lady at my pain clinic was just arrested last week for filling her script and filling another script at a hospital. they called the cops on her right there. she was freaking out.

also, there are mandatory minimums here, look it up. when you get caught doc shopping they weigh the pills, first offense and depending on weight, you are looking at 4 years, over 14 grams 20 years, over a lb or something more, life... mandatory, no pleas deals, no nothing, you do the time. and i dont want to hear our prisons are to full, you will get probation. i live here, i see it happen. they make room for people that are doctor shopping. florida cops live to bust people doing this. (even if they are legit CP patients) in their eyes no one needs that many pills, and they are probably right. there are accounts of people going to prison with legit prescriptions just because of the count and the DEA thinks no one should need that many pills so they hit them with intent to distribute even though technically some of them have done nothing wrong.

i dare you to go to 3 docs and take the chance that the 3 pharms are not connected. you MIGHT get lucky, my bet is you wont, even with mom and pop shops. the last 2 months my regular mom n pop was out, so they sent me to one 15 miles away, i was already in their system, then they sent me to another the next month i was already in their system. all different pharmacies, all independently owned. i would have had no idea unless my regular pharmacist had sent me over to these other pharms.

with the heat of all these news articles and the "oxycontin express", everyone is cracking down, out of state plates are getting pulled over by cops who stake out the pain clinics and pull people over as they pull out. they will literally take the medication and count it, if more than 1 pill is missing and there are other people with you, you are going downtown for distribution. if they find anther bottle of pills from a different doc, even more screwed. this is no joke. and if someone is with you and has a loose pill in their pocket and your bottle is one short, you get hit with distribution. florida is not the wild west it used to be.

go to you tube and google oxycontin and south florida. you will find way to many videos of people getting arrested and going to jail. all because of videos/amateur documentaries like this vanguard one. locals are also filming out of staters plates and sending them to the cops and posting on youtube.

in fact because of this most clinics have stopped seeing out of state patients. if you own property here they will see you with proper documentation and a referral. if not, see ya later. or here are 20 norco to get yourself home. they are all changing because of all this media hype. (most of them were legit all along, but there were some lazy ones) the lazy ones have woken up as they do not want to go to jail.

in 6 months 98% of these pain clinics will be gone. that is a fact. it is on the news every night.

go ahead and take the chances if you want. but if you end up in a florida prison, do not say i didn't warn you. florida is not all fun and beaches.



Hey FB, I heard that the PMP will not be in full swing until the end of 2010. Do you know if this is true??

Also, can someone from Out of State be charged if they just go to one doctor down there, and do not distribute?


it is active now, it will take until next year for every single pharmacy to get the software and make the upgrades, most of these clinics will be closed by then anyway. yes to your second question. DEA wants people getting SCH IIs to stay local, you dont just come down here and get 240 oxys from 3 docs. ron has no idea what he is talking about. now if you own property here (snow bird) and have MRIs CT scans and a stack of records showing CP, you may get some help. 99% of the clinics that were seeing out of state patients have stopped due to the backlash from the DEA. the ones that havent will be busted by the end of the year.

do not listen to ron, would you want to stake your freedom on his info?


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#949145 - 10/26/09 12:15 AM Re: OMG Drop the Internet and Just Go to Florida!!!!! [Re: RonAllen]
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Originally Posted By: RonAllen
Originally Posted By: patient2all

If one can "hop" anywhere, it's not likely they are suffering the level of pain that requires the stronger offerings among the array of pain medications.



When was the last time you were ever on a plane? Do you really think people bunny hop onto a flight?? That's the whole idea of getting adequate pain relief is so you can live your life as "normal" as possible and go on flights and vacations instead of laying in bed all day in gut wrenching pain.

Posts like this from patient2all makes it quite obvious they have no clue of the true pain patient, they aren't a pain patient and have nothing to contribute to this forum.

Sad.


rofl5 you haven't got a clue ron...


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#949278 - 10/26/09 12:10 PM Re: OMG Drop the Internet and Just Go to Florida!!!!! [Re: funkybreakz]
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This isnt meant to tick anyone off and it may be off topic but.... going to an airport with that many pills is asking for trouble. Did anyone else catch the news about the winner of Big Brother season 9? I think his name was Adam. Anyways, he spent his winnings on oxycodone and was reselling. They busted him at the airport with socks full of 2000 pills. STUPID.
On the post above about the 120 script for OC's per month....This may be very legit. People need pain management and they should get it. My father is not a "crack head" and does not abuse his meds. Back in the 80's he was in a severe truck driving accident. He has since lost several discs and is constantly in extrutiating pain. He DOES get 120 OC's a month and also some percs for breakthrough. Granted; it took him years of records and gaining trust through his doctors and PM but he does indeed get his meds and needs them. Someone should not be labeled a drug seeker just because of the amount of meds they need. I am grateful that he can get releif and function somewhat normally. Ok...I am done ranting. Please don't take any offense to this. I just thought I would share my 2 cents on this. ALOHA EVERYONE !!!:)

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#949292 - 10/26/09 01:08 PM Re: OMG Drop the Internet and Just Go to Florida!!!!! [Re: funkybreakz]
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[quote=funkybreakz you haven't got a clue ron...[/quote]

RonAllen,

You don't have a clue about a lot of things. I wish you could walk in P2A's shoes for a day. I know he wishes he could just walk. People like you should be careful when making assumptions about another poster. Not trying to start anything, just telling it like it is.

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#949303 - 10/26/09 01:27 PM Re: OMG Drop the Internet and Just Go to Florida!!!!! [Re: Khilee]
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To all posters and note in particular: lets just discuss the news in a civil manner and without putdowns...

There have been a lot of similar news in the media.... one where they mention Florida as the "Colombia for pharmaceuticals" is being discussed at: http://drugbuyers.com/freeboard/ubbthreads.php/topics/873357/Administrator#Post873357

Obviously we can not believe everything we read, and getting meds from far away places, in person or by mail, has a lot of pros and cons...
For those that can travel, a trip to Florida, is worth researching... and that is what we are here for: to discuss the options available...
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#949340 - 10/26/09 02:55 PM Re: OMG Drop the Internet and Just Go to Florida!!!!! [Re: Administrator]
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Sorry Admin, But I do think you understand why I posted it the way I did. But it was wrong and it won't happen again.

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