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#896023 - 06/12/09 07:54 PM Re: Most Dangerous Anxiety med? [Re: Lynx4]
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mamas little helpers were speed

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#896027 - 06/12/09 08:13 PM Re: Most Dangerous Anxiety med? [Re: pumpfry]
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#896860 - 06/15/09 04:50 PM Re: Most Dangerous Anxiety med? [Re: pumpfry]
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Originally Posted By: pumpfry
mamas little helpers were speed


That is up for debate. Some say they meant Ludes, others say Valium, or Nembutal. Valium was new back when the Beatles wrote this song and docs wrote scripts like crazy for Nembutal not Valium. In the lyrics there is "Outside the door, she took 4 more" which leads to some question on dosages so it could have been Valium unless you listen on. Lyrics also mention that "And goes running for the shelter of her mother's little helper. And forgets her through the night, helps to minimize her flight." So some say that means they were benzos in any case.

I have never heard anyone mention they were speed. What amphetamine was a "little yellow pill"? In any case the clue is "if you take more of those, you will get an overdose". Who ever heard of anyone ODing on Valium?

I always like to read why people like benzos so much. Those who need them to function, it is obvious why. I had many friends who like them and I could never figure it out. I cannot feel a thing from them but then everyone is different. I guess that is why they say drug of choice. I like that. As if you have a whole arsenal in front of you and you get to choose which you want.



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#896865 - 06/15/09 05:17 PM Re: Most Dangerous Anxiety med? [Re: Fireaway]
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The song was supposed to have been about ritlin.


Edited by sonik (06/15/09 05:19 PM)
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#896874 - 06/15/09 05:34 PM Re: Most Dangerous Anxiety med? [Re: sonik]
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I think the "Mothers little helpers" were mentioned in the Rolling Stones song were about Milltown or Meprobamate.

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#896877 - 06/15/09 05:43 PM Re: Most Dangerous Anxiety med? [Re: karmapolice]
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5mg valium= mothers little helper--cas outside the door you really couldnt take---4 more--nembutals which i think were also yellow---thats a heavy downer dose--thers another line about--you can tranquilize your mind---sounds like valium to me


Edited by travelman (06/15/09 05:53 PM)

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#896883 - 06/15/09 06:03 PM Re: Most Dangerous Anxiety med? [Re: travelman]
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Yes, valium was new and used quite a bit in the UK.
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#896888 - 06/15/09 06:15 PM Re: Most Dangerous Anxiety med? [Re: OldandWorn]
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Meprobamate was the original anti anxiety med. The Stones song was written about Meprobamate as mentioned by Keith Richards himself. The song was written just before Valium was widely prescribed. Meprobamate was replaced by Valium as a "safe" alternative. It was a much heavier downer than Valium.

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#896930 - 06/15/09 09:15 PM Re: Most Dangerous Anxiety med? [Re: karmapolice]
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Thank You. I googled some stuff on it. Rock and Roll history mixed with UK health issues.
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#896952 - 06/15/09 10:20 PM Re: Most Dangerous Anxiety med? [Re: OldandWorn]
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lol....... yes that seems to be my specialty. Obscure random knowledge.
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#897966 - 06/18/09 06:30 PM Re: Most Dangerous Anxiety med? [Re: karmapolice]
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meprobamate is available now and is weak---i stick to valiun and keith richards never said it was meprobamate---thats a white pill---lets agree to disagree cas no matter what u say its not changing my opiniom---peace

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#898436 - 06/19/09 09:05 PM Re: Most Dangerous Anxiety med? [Re: novakitty]
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Originally Posted By: novakitty
Speaking of anxiety meds, I was prescribed 1mg clonazapan before bed. It really does help me sleep better. Will I have a problem stopping it if necessary? I really would rather sleep naturally but now that I've been taking it have grown accustomed to the drowsyness effect, it's just easier.


How about asking your doctor for sleep medicine? Stay away from benzos. They are really made for anxiety disorders not for sleeping problems.

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#909568 - 07/20/09 12:01 AM Re: Most Dangerous Anxiety med? [Re: vagisil69]
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Hi guys, i was hooked on benzos for 3 years, taking Clonopin, Valium, and Xanax. I got off them all with a pill, ----Phenobarbital. Saved my live i hope this helps some other people out

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#909661 - 07/20/09 10:59 AM Re: Most Dangerous Anxiety med? [Re: SubutexSavior]
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Originally Posted By: SubutexSavior
Hi guys, i was hooked on benzos for 3 years, taking Clonopin, Valium, and Xanax. I got off them all with a pill, ----Phenobarbital. Saved my live i hope this helps some other people out


Please elaborate about how switching from benzodiazepines to phenobarbital "saved your live."
Are you still taking the phenobarbital and at what dosage?

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#909799 - 07/20/09 07:52 PM Re: Most Dangerous Anxiety med? [Re: martind]
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I have heard phenobarbital can be very helpful in the last 3-4 weeks of a benzo taper at reducing withdrawal symptoms.

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#909841 - 07/20/09 10:16 PM Re: Most Dangerous Anxiety med? [Re: SubutexSavior]
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Originally Posted By: SubutexSavior
Hi guys, i was hooked on benzos for 3 years, taking Clonopin, Valium, and Xanax. I got off them all with a pill, ----Phenobarbital. Saved my live i hope this helps some other people out


Please tell us you are off of the Phenobarbital. It may have saved your life tapering from benzos, but barbituates are more dangerous. Benzos were invented because barbituates were too dangerous, but then again xanax was invented because valium was too addicting..

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#909873 - 07/21/09 02:01 AM Re: Most Dangerous Anxiety med? [Re: HottieAt50]
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I use Xanax to sleep because the thought of going to sleep makes me really anxious! I have always had problems falling asleep, especially if I have a busy day the following day. I've been on Xanax for almost 10 years and I'm 33. I take 1mg a night and sometimes I take half a pill when I'm having an anxiety attack. I remember life before Xanax and not being able to control extreme anxiety is a bich. I didn't have a way out of my own mind and Xanax helps a lot. Now, the problem is that I have become dependent on it, physically and emotionally. If I'm running out, I panic. If I'm too far away without my meds, I panic. Ah, if I could only be normal.
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#909887 - 07/21/09 03:02 AM Re: Most Dangerous Anxiety med? [Re: Fireaway]
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Haha...hmmm a whole arsenal, that would be a delight. I am picturing it now.

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#909888 - 07/21/09 03:13 AM Re: Most Dangerous Anxiety med? [Re: 1881livia]
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I agree with the person who said alcohol. I don't have any statistics or research, but I'm sure you will find more yearly alcohol-related deaths than you will any benzo. Although I enjoy a glass of wine every now and then, I find alcohol repulsive and poisonous. Xanax comes in at a close second. Mix the two together? You're just asking to die. I can't believe the number of people I talk to that tell me they like to take their Xani bars with a few glasses of wine. *shakes head* and people wonder why it's hard to get their doctor to help them when they are in real trouble. Same thing with narcotic painkillers, eh? Stop abusing this [censored]] and let people who REALLY need it be able to get it! How SOME THINGS are illegal and alcohol so rampantly available is beyond my grasp of comprehension (yes I know all about alcohol lobbyists and so on and so on...so I don't need a reminder lol ) It's too bad so many people are so uptight about CERTAIN NATURAL THINGS that could be legalized and taxed to stimulate the economy, if there wasn't such stigma attached to it. Okay I'm done. *steps off soapbox*
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#909911 - 07/21/09 07:18 AM Re: Most Dangerous Anxiety med? [Re: Karen_Walker]
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Originally Posted By: Karen_Walker
I use Xanax to sleep because the thought of going to sleep makes me really anxious! I have always had problems falling asleep, especially if I have a busy day the following day. I've been on Xanax for almost 10 years and I'm 33. I take 1mg a night and sometimes I take half a pill when I'm having an anxiety attack. I remember life before Xanax and not being able to control extreme anxiety is a bich. I didn't have a way out of my own mind and Xanax helps a lot. Now, the problem is that I have become dependent on it, physically and emotionally. If I'm running out, I panic. If I'm too far away without my meds, I panic. Ah, if I could only be normal.


So, in other words, your use of Xanax is causing you to have panic attacks and anxiety.
That is a bich. Talk about the "law of unintended consequences."

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#910228 - 07/22/09 02:02 AM Re: Most Dangerous Anxiety med? [Re: martind]
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Originally Posted By: martind

So, in other words, your use of Xanax is causing you to have panic attacks and anxiety.
That is a bich. Talk about the "law of unintended consequences."


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#942177 - 10/11/09 01:13 AM Re: Most Dangerous Anxiety med? [Re: pumpfry]
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Originally Posted By: pumpfry
mamas little helpers were speed


re: Mothers Little Helpers - The Rolling Stones

Speed would have just made her more busy!
There really weren't any other yellow pills we knew of.
Rx's weren't really sought after back then.
Weed was plentiful and sharing was the thing.
(A group effort!)

'I hear ev'ry mother say
Mother needs something today to calm her down'
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Outside the door
She took four more

(5mg Valium) (four because it rhymes with door)
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#944582 - 10/16/09 01:25 AM Re: Most Dangerous Anxiety med? [Re: martind]
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i'll go with everyone that is mentioning xanax.

i'm a PD patient for over...damn, almost 30 years now diagnosed.

when i was first diagnosed, dr rxed librium. helped a little, not great.

a few years later (late '80s), i got my first rx for .5 xanax 3x/day.

MIRACLE drug FOR PD PATIENTS. i kid you not. i literally got my life back.

the problem? - short acting, and you get so you psychologically have to have it on hand.

for treating long-term, i agree - klonopin is the way to go (valium a very distant second).

but nothing stops an attack cold the way xanax does.

am i an addict...i hate this question. nothing else stops my attacks except benzos. specifically, xanax. klonopin keeps me needing practically no xanax. if i have an illness, and a medication treats it, is that addiction or necessary medical use?

still...i feel like an addict.

but until the magic cure for PD comes along, i'm not giving up my benzos.
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