Shilling is a "Slang term for the act of posing as an innocent bystander at a confidence game but giving aid and assistance to the perpetrators of the scheme as a decoy."
Blacks Law Dictionary-Sixth Edition 1990

For those who need more of an example: Think of New York City. You come upon an individual with 3 shells and a ball of sorts. You (the Shill) watch the 'showman' shuffle around the shells with the ball "hidden" unsderneath one of the shells. A "Shill" will act the part of a tourist/passerby. He (the Shill will lose the first times in a row but after 'persuasion' from the showman will easily win. The the suckers are born....

Good find. We added it to our definition of Shill (click son Shill to see)

Some people think you are a Shill and want you banned.
Those that think brokeneckpain is a Shill please post the logic if you have any to post...

Now a poll about you that requires people to read your posts before answering

She is a Shill. For one thing why would she possibly put up a thread naming it "Smelly drug" about Basic Meds instead of going to that sight and letting them know. Trying to draw the selling away from them. Also have heard from others of her being involved with the pharmarighty scamming. Along with Alerzz and Bryan. She was doing hers all through PM's.

Don't you have to promote a site to Shill? It's possible I missed something...there's a lot of posts to go through and I'm no detective. I leave that up to the mods. I haven't seen anything in the posting history to indicate shilling by this member. Definately isn't a Taz fan, but I can't say that equals Shill. I've had PM discussions with this member, and was never once told about any kind of source to buy anything.

Speaking of PM's...they're private...right? I know there are posts out there from certain people complaining about how their privacy was violated for discussing certain parts of their PM's. Perhaps that's only applicable to certain people. Maybe it's pay back and it's then it's OK. IDK?

If a person were shilling via PM, why wouldn't the receiver of said PM simply forward it to the mods instead of telling their buddies and spreading rumor?

Seems this thread is about a little more than the actual question in the poll. I find it interesting there are several "yes" votes, yet only one post to justify it.

As always, just my outside opinion here, but this just goes on and on. It's never gonna stop until somebody leaves or is banned. What is the point? Just keep on

I am dumbfounded that you people have so much time on your hands. When have I ever promoted buying from someone? I have given/offered my experience-that's it. In fact, I do believe I have suggested staying away from BI sites, unless YOU are willing to take that chance. Free will-get it folks?? And Taz it is no secret that I do not like you. I think you are a wolf in sheep's clothing. I didn't realize we were running for homecoming queen. I didn't get the memo. Well, you can have the title. I only hang with the cool people. And cool, you are not.

I voted no. BPN has not acted like a Shill, just like someone w/a temper.

And I have never done that on a board. J/k, of course (about me).

Hopefully, I don't get drawn into some conflict because of this. But here is my 2 cents...

I don't buy anything IOP or blacklisted. But I do enjoy reading the boards. I also know enough about statistics and web boards to know that for every person who POSTS about a bad experience, there are anywhere from a hundred to a couple hundred folks who do not post, that had the same experience. So, lots of folks got scammed.

I never got any funny "read" from Brokneck. I mean, not the obvious stuff that was just oozing out of Alerzzz and Bryans and the other guys posts.

I have noticed a lot of posts that occurred recently where one would show up, then the other one, and then the third one, "Did you hear about website xxxx?, My buddy uses them!"

Then, a bunch of folks chime in "well, guess I will wait for some positive feedback". Then the "I am having trouble, Uh Oh!" post where they would be worried about the length of time it was taking.

Suddenly, all is resolved, hooray! It WAS a good website after all! What nice folks. Then, as the first few negatives get posted, it was all "just hold on! You will get taken care of! Just look at me! I was worried, and I got my stuff, just wait, and you will to! And by the way, I am NOT a Shill, so stop that! I have created many many posts (in the few months I have been here, snicker) and you can TRUST me!"

Then it all goes Ka-flooey!

Reading back through the years past posts, seems that this is a fairly new trend. Probably due to difficulty in getting meds, etc... Or just folks who are dabbling in this and do not really need these things (I am just talking about the folks who DO NOT meds, don't get excited...).

Probably going to continue. Trends to look for, unfortunately, since number of posts is so impoortant, people look at that. Good idea, but what about users with hundreds of posts in a couple of months? And I don't mean on the social networking parts of this website. The posts seem to be all concentrated on the parts concerned with buying and finding.

I know that there are a lot of folks with lots of posts who no longer even show up on the "purchasing" side of things, or only rarely. This is I assume because they have created a network over the years they have been here, and know who to trust.

So, long story short, brokeneck doesn't trip my trigger as far as Shill. Anything else, I cannot vouch for.

And be careful about trustuing those post counts as the be all and end all of who is experienced.

My favorites? The occasional poster who has been a member since 2002 or 2003, with maybe a hundred posts. Those make me sit up and take notice. And then, anyone who has been on here for years. Other than that, well...

Oh, and I do realize that a lot of folks do use this for social networking, a nice place to meet and greet and share common experiences. These folks tend to never post on where to find things. I mean, there are a lot of folks here who have a good doc, or who may have needed the site for other reasons in the past, but that need has changed to one of a social nature, because they HAVE now found a good doc, and are trying to help folks out who are in the shoes they were once in. To those folks, I am thankful. I have used your advice over the years.

To the folks who have come up with a business model of elevating post counts and shilling, have fun! Hope it's worth it!

BECAUSE the drug smelled. I don't care who it would have come from, CVS, Walgreens, or any of the less legitimate vendors. All of this cause I choose the word "smelly", gimmee a break.
BM will tell you up front they get their meds from 5 different members. So, it would make senase others do to. I was concerned about our safety-no hidden agenda.
And who is pharmarighty?? Show me a connection between me and them as I have NEVER heard of them. I do a lot of reading on this board so as far as Alerzz goes-that's it. Reading posts. As far as Bryann goes, haven't you guys been after him for a while. Like I said, i do read. the only thing I have in common with him is I am a Mich State fan and he is well...part of that other team, Georgia. While we are on the subject of PM's, weren't you in an uproar about other people finding out about pm's. I reported that I thought was totally inappropriate and it is even stated in board Rules you can be banned for, yet nothing happened. If I am "doing business thru PM's, how do you know???? And by the way, I am not.

should be "vendors" not members....

Tell you what, lets watch the "cancunrx" site that just got listed on the BL side. By a high year of tenure, low post count member. Shill? Or not? Time will tell...

Admin

My logic is this. When a person talks about a source and their health and their family's health and tries to assure everyone that their order is coming and is cheer leading and protecting a source IMHO they are receiving free pills or pay.

I have seen brokeneckpain do this.

I read the Better Health thread and she is doing exactly that.

It looks like that source is sending but I think if she was not involved it would be an advantage . She is on line all day but no posts many times. Is she reading? Is she sending private messages?

Why did she start attacking me from day one when I was not even on BI sites. Could she have a grudge against me for outing her with her past name which I will not bring up here?

It is just too much and this attack on pharma when I stated Alerzz was a Shill . She had not posted one time on there and yet she came on and was accusing me of lying about Alerzz. Too many things have happened and I never started anything with her and have avoided her.

That friendly thread was opened because our old chat thread had died and if you look you will see we welcomed everyone. Why the attacks on me?

I got fed up with her after a while and yes I did start defending myself. Franky I am so tired of her crying about imagined mis treatment by me.

I think she is a Shill and these are just some of my reasons.

Frankly I want to just have fun with my friends and send jokes I don't need her anger. If she wants to Shill I am so sick of her I am done. The truth will come out.

I guess you think that I started this thread. Ask admin. I did not ask him to start a thread of calling you a Shill. I was just putting in my 02 cents in last night when I saw it come in. Well guess what missy, you are wrong. I was asking admin to check on your post and mine if he wants to see that you are following me around and badgering me since the "smelly drug" thread. I just happened to be the fist one to post.
You have been following me around everywhere and I do not respond to it what so ever. I have been doing what the Rules say and I click the Notify button and tell the mods. Well this has gone on way too long. I am your target for some reason. I am not the only one who joked around on that thread, but you singled me out and PM'd me. From what I have heard from others you are pretty damn sneaky. You should be banned for just what you are doing to me. And yes I will repeat something I said to you as a warning, "If your going to mess with fire your going to get burned." Which in my term sis you end up getting banned for your behavior and you come on posting what I have said and tell people I am threatening people with your life? Oh Come on. Please. If you do not get banned, I asked you way back to never PM me again and stay away from me.
I am not a fake. I do have a heart for people. Your biggest this is stay way from this vendor, than Oh never mind, He's OK now. So dramatic you are. I have kept quiet for quite a while wanting so bad to defend myself while, you keep telling lies.

Admin, I'm sorry, but this is my time to FINALLY speak out.

Stubby

There are what many here refer to as reverse shills.

If a source such as Basic Medical for instance sells a medication for about 1/3 less than a source a person is shilling that Shill may try to say pills are bunk or smell bad or orders were not received etc.

I do know that many honest people do get bad pills. However when a person repeats the bad smell and bad bunk pills for months on end what is the point. It goes on threads it does not belong on. It is everywhere. Members get annoyed.

I was getting pms for six months by a person I thought was so sweet and nice. It turned out bad because she turned out to be a scammer like no other and many others were taken besides me.

I am mentioning no names here just telling you what we all refer to as reverse shills.

A Shilling was worth about 25 cents, but now, due to inflation, quite a bit less.

How do you know when I am on line and doing nothing. Do you time me? Are you that bored. Well, a second ago i went to the bathroom. Quick, jot that fact down. Then flush it with all the bs you are throwing out there. Question is - what are you doing? i do not receive any pay or pills for ANYTHING. And what "past name" are you talking about??? Please go ahead and say it-I'd like to know. You play judge and jury when you don't agree or like what someone has to say. You seem to know an awful lot about me-who i talk to, what I say...don't you have a life?

See, you can't stand the fact that someone disagrees with you...

Now THAT'S funny !!! What's a "pound sterling" weigh nowadays? About 9 ounces..

That is exactl the reason i went after you-you threatened me AFTER I asked you what the problem was. And no dear, i am nor have I ever been afraid of you physically, what a joke. I was asked about my opinion of Better Health, I gave it. Too bad you didn't like it. The man said his wife had cancer and he was in an accident. That was the end of the "personal" conversation. Sorry if I was showing someone empathy. but I can do it without buying anything. BTW, how come you have given your opinion of them-done business lately???

Look back at the smelly post, folks. and you tell me who kept on and on with the jokes....

Do you have proof that I have or haven't?

I would love to hear this. You opened it up, please continue. Do you know my name? How would you know that. You are slipping. Go ahead, continue. I think we all want to hear.

Take a look at the whole smelly drug topic and on 9-17-09 Post #931218...sneaky real sneaky ... people without blinders will see how you and several others randomly pick someone ue to their views or just because you are board. people aren't as stupid as you think they are.

I have never said anyone was stupid. Please point that out for me. I'm still waiting on how you know if I have dealt with George at Betterhealth4u. Please, I don't care, you can even give out some info. Would love to see. When you get back from George, than you can post it.
What I tell you in a PM and what I actually may be different. How did you know????????

No way is she a Shill, NO WAY, imho. I've been reading her posts for months..

Brokenpain - you go on threads and out of the blue go into this "wah wah, why is everybody always picking on me" routine. You really like to start trouble IMO just to get a thread like this started that totally props you up to be the center of attention. You must be in an orgasmic State right now.

I really can care less if your banned or not, but since you have in fact achieved this "I am now the center of the universe" status on DB you so long for I thought I would join in and offer my .02

You guys put me in the middle of this (yes, you too) when you started on the 'smelly meds' thing. So sniff someone else and leave me alone.

Hey Taz,
Will go thru the rest when I have time , but some of us actually have a life, but lets take a closer look at your post on 9/28/09 (OMG that was just a few days ago!!)You were referring to BI site rxmegaexpress at 10:02am. You were syaing something about people being gunshy and "Oscar was good". Go ahead everyone, take a look. Now, leave me alone and I will do the same.

I'm sorry but I need to say something to this. I was in the same boat as BNP with the stinky pills from BM. Yes, I am an honest person, no I am not a Shhhh.... How Ive come to loathe that word... You people are so suspicious! If you think something bad of someone, how about ignoring them instead of creating this witch hunt that I see every so often? I don't sell meds, I buy them, and when I get something bad I want to warn others that have ordered from them. How can you not believe BM was sending stinky meds (that were also bunk BTW) when so many people have said they were? Boggles me.

The jokes were funny. They were not directed towards you at all.

"Smelly Meds From Bm" was a thread title begging for jokes. Why not use Basic Meds instead of BM in your title? That would have closed the door on the BM jokes.

Why not just post in the Basic Meds thread to begin with if you are so sensitive? The jokes were not to hurt you. As I recall there was a valued member being attacked in the thread. The jokes were to lighten things up.

You unjustly attacked anyone who joked about the BM association. They were not posted to you.

xanadu

If you read my post carefully you will see that I said honest people get bad pills.

I brought up BNP because it went on so long, that subject and was carried from thread to thread

You can read all the jokes and see I left that thread. I was not saying anything until we mentioned some types of smelly drugs such as antibiotics.

I had nothing to do with the jokes that came up. It was a funny title and people felt like having fun and at no ones expense that was obvious.

Now I am going to close the subject and if anyone wants to argue it won't be with me.

I also said in that thread of Smelly drugs the exact same thing about not putting it in the basic meds thread. The jokes would have never happened. Feel free to look it up. I have nothing to hide.