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#93091 - 04/28/04 09:33 AM Why is it so hard to get some prescription drugs? ****
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Why is it so hard to get some prescription drugs in the needed quantities?

The main reason is that prescription drugs are being abused and diverted for recreational use. Law enforcement and regulators have a very good and valid reason for trying to control prescription drugs but their efforts are hurting patients and doctors.

The following articles will give you a good idea as to why it is so hard for legitimate patient to get the medication they need

The Village Voice Article: The DEA's War on Pain Doctors
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0345/owen.php

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The DEA's War on Pain Doctors
by Frank Owen
November 5 - 11, 2003

wenty-four years after Darlene broke her back in a swimming pool accident, crippling pain still Rules every aspect of her life, from getting up in the morning (which she describes as akin to "climbing the highest mountain") to falling into a fitful sleep at night. After years of botched surgery that left her in even more agony, she knows there is no real cure for what ails her, but thanks to synthetic opioids (which include such regulated substances as Vicodin, Dilaudid, and the devil drug of the moment, OxyContin), she says that she can now lead a halfway normal life. Just folding sheets or washing dishes or sitting at the computer are daily miracles for Darlene, who claims she would otherwise be bedridden and suicidal without the chemical crutches that high doses of these powerful opium-like painkillers provide.
But in some ways worse than the pain, says Darlene (who doesn't want her last name revealed), are the shame and fear that come with it. Shame when she goes to have her special triplicate prescription—required for all scheduled drugs—filled at the drugstore and the pharmacist looks at her as if she were some addict abusing the drug to get high. Fear that her medications will soon be taken away by the drug Enforcement Administration's ongoing crackdown on pain doctors. "You worry every day that the medicine won't be available for much longer, or your doctor won't be there tomorrow because he's been arrested by the DEA," she claims. All the bad publicity in the press about the abuse of OxyContin by celebrities such as Rush Limbaugh and Courtney Love doesn't help matters. But, says Darlene, the media scare stories shouldn't blind people to the fact that these drugs—when taken under medical supervision—have made life livable for hundreds of thousands of chronic pain patients, herself included.

Some in the medical community call it "a war on pain doctors," others "a government jihad" or "state-sponsored terrorism." However you describe the current campaign, which according to pain-patient advocates began under Janet Reno, but which they say has increased in intensity under John Ashcroft, the DEA's hardball tactics—storming clinics in SWAT-style gear, ransacking offices, and hauling off doctors in handcuffs—have scared physicians nationwide to the extent that legitimate pain sufferers now find it increasingly difficult to get the medicine they need. Doctors' offices today display signs that say "Don't ask for OxyContin" or "No OxyContin prescribed here." And medical schools advise students not to choose pain management as a career because the field is too fraught with potential legal dangers.

"The war on drugs has turned into a war on doctors and pain patients," says Dr. Ronald Myers, president of the American Pain Institute and a Baptist minister who operates a string of clinics for poor people in the Mississippi Delta. "Such is the climate of fear across the medical community that for every doctor who has his license yanked by the DEA, there are a hundred doctors scared to prescribe proper pain medication for fear of going to prison. The DEA is creating a situation where legitimate pain patients now have to go to the streets to get their medication. It's a health care catastrophe in the making." (Myers theorizes that Rush Limbaugh is probably "a neglected pain patient" and another victim of the crackdown: "Why else would someone with all his money have to go to the street to get enough medication, other than if he couldn't find a doctor to give him an adequate supply?")

Advocates for pain doctors and their patients have had enough. Limbaugh's recent admission that he's addicted to OxyContin and other painkillers has brought the issue of pain management and the law to the fore in the media. But the September arrest of northern Virginia's Dr. William Hurwitz—a respected if controversial pioneer in high-dosage pain treatment—galvanized opposition among physicians and patients to the DEA's harsh approach. Hurwitz, a leading specialist in his field, was arrested on federal drug-trafficking charges, accused of prescribing excessive quantities of OxyContin to addicts who he knew were selling the drugs on the street. The 49-count indictment alleges that his prescribing practices led to the death of three patients and bodily harm to two others. Federal prosecutors have depicted Hurwitz, a contentious figure who has had his license suspended three times by medical boards, as no better than "a street-corner crack dealer . . . who dispensed misery and death." After initially being threatened with the death penalty, Hurwitz now faces life in prison.

But others defend the doctor. "Dr. Hurwitz saved my husband's life," says Siobhan Reynolds, founder of the Pain Relief Network, a New York City-based grassroots organization defending pain doctors and their patients. For over a decade, Reynolds's husband has suffered terrible head pain caused by a connective-tissue disorder. "Other doctors treated my husband like a leper. If it weren't for Dr. Hurwitz, he would have killed himself. Dr. Hurwitz is responsible for every day that my son has a father."

After the arrest, the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons condemned the prosecution at a news conference held at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C., saying that doctors who treat pain patients are heroes, not felons. A major protest on the National Mall is being organized by the National Pain Patients Coalition for next April to bring attention to what some experts regard as the No. 1 health issue in America: the under-treatment of chronic pain. And a push is on in various states to get politicians to pass bills guaranteeing patients' right to opioids to alleviate their suffering, if a doctor deems it necessary.

Many doctors used to think that extreme pain was something that their patients just had to live with. The pain-management movement that has sprung up over the past few years takes a radically different tack, believing that long-term chronic pain can be managed with large amounts of synthetic opium, a treatment that remains controversial both within and outside the medical community. The extremely high doses often prescribed—sometimes dozens of pills a day—can seem dangerous and excessive to both laymen and other physicians. A number of doctors insist that these drugs are so powerful that no one should be prescribed them except end-stage cancer patients. But pain-management advocates argue that despite the scare stories, drugs such as OxyContin are actually safer than the alternatives and are much more effective.

The DEA denies there's been an increase in investigations and prosecutions of physicians and refutes the notion that it's engaged in a crackdown on pain doctors in general. The agency insists that it's after only rogue practitioners who overprescribe the medicines and who know—or should know—that their patients are selling the drugs on the black market. So far this year, says the DEA, the agency has launched 557 investigations, pursued actions against 441 doctors, and arrested 34, a small fraction of the nearly 1 million physicians licensed to dispense controlled drugs. "DEA statistics," the agency proclaimed on October 30, "show that the vast majority of practitioners registered with the DEA comply with the requirements of the Controlled Substances Act and prescribe controlled substances in a responsible manner." The agency added, "Doctors operating within the bounds of accepted medical practice have nothing to fear from the DEA."

But some doctors believe that the DEA, having conspicuously failed to stem the tide of illegal drug use in this country, is coming after physicians to ratchet up the agency's prosecution count. (This year alone, two federal reviews lambasted the DEA for its poor performance in fighting illegal drug use, one report giving the agency a zero on a scale of one to 100.)

"They're unable to take down the real drug lords, so they're coming after doctors using the same tactics," one pain physician tells the Voice. For an agency keen to justify its massive budget, doctors provide an easy target. Consider some other recent cases:

In Roanoke, Virginia, pain specialist Dr. Cecil Knox and two of his associates were accused of operating what federal prosecutors call "a pill mill." Prosecutors alleged that Knox overprescribed OxyContin and methadone to increase the profits of his financially struggling operation and that this contributed to the deaths of eight patients. Armed agents in flak jackets raided Knox's office. "They all came in with guns drawn," a clinic employee who was present during the raid reported to the Pain Relief Network. "I thought I was going to die. My husband was helping out that day, and a DEA agent came in and pointed a gun at his head and said, 'Get off the phone now.' " (As this story went to press, news came that the feds failed to win a single conviction in the case; the jury cleared Knox of 30 of the 69 charges, deadlocking on the remaining counts.) In another case of DEA strong-arm tactics, more than 20 agents burst into a Dallas pain clinic in June. The agents kicked down doors, ransacked the office of Dr. Daniel Maynard, and handcuffed patients, including an elderly woman with a stroller and an oxygen tank.

In South Carolina, physician Deborah Bordeaux was convicted earlier this year under a federal drug-kingpin statute and is currently awaiting sentencing. She faces up to 100 years in prison as a major drug dealer for dispensing opiates to patients suffering from chronic pain at a Myrtle Beach clinic, where she had worked for only two months. Dr. Benjamin Moore, who worked at the same clinic, committed suicide in July 2002 rather than testify against his co-workers.

In Arkansas, Dr. Randeep Mann claims that a patient approached him in 2002 and told him that a federal agent had offered her $250 to say that Mann had prescribed her painkillers in exchange for sex. Mann also charges that another female patient told him that local authorities had offered to forgive her cocaine arrest if she told the same lie in court. "They destroyed my practice and they've managed to run away a lot of my patients, and I can no longer prescribe opioids, but I still have my license," Mann tells the Voice.

In New Orleans, Dr. David Jarrott, who specializes in pain management, claims that an undercover DEA agent posing as a truck driver tried to entrap him by giving him fake X-rays to secure a supply of Vicodin for a supposed bad back. Jarrott also says the same agent tried to bribe him for amphetamine-based diet pills claiming he needed to stay awake while driving his truck. In early October, the doctor had his license suspended for three years after two of his patients died, one of whom, unbeknownst to Jarrott, was mixing street drugs with his legitimate medication.

In Arizona, Dr. Jeri Hassman, who runs Tucson's biggest pain practice, was indicted in March after a sting involving two undercover agents and a three-time-convicted felon. She is being threatened with a 28-year prison term because some of her patients abused prescriptions she wrote.



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It's not just on the federal level that harsh punishment is being meted out. Dr. Robert Weitzel from Utah was convicted of negligent homicide and sentenced to 15 years in prison. He gave morphine to a 91-year-old patient, who soon after died of heart disease. Weitzel won a retrial (and acquittal) in November 2002 after it was learned that a local prosecutor had concealed exculpatory evidence. In Florida in the same year, Dr. James Graves was not so lucky, becoming the first U.S. physician to be convicted of manslaughter related to an OxyContin prescription, after local authorities charged that four of his patients fatally overdosed on OxyContin, some of them after combining it with illegal street drugs. Graves contended that his patients would not have died if they had taken the drugs as directed. He is currently serving 63 years.



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Federal officials claim that nearly 500 people died from overdosing on OxyContin in 2002, but a recent article in The Journal of Analytical Toxicology could find only 12 cases in which OxyContin was the sole cause of death; all the others fell victim to poly-drug abuse—mixing OxyContin with cocaine, alcohol, Valium, or various other substances.

"Opioids when taken under clinical supervision are not that dangerous," says the American Pain Institute's Myers. "The data tells us that only 3 percent of people who take opioids become addicts. The latest research conclusively shows that the best medicines for the treatment of chronic pain are narcotics. They have less side effects and more benefits than any other type of drug."

More dangerous, contends Myers, are the everyday drugs that pain sufferers turn to when they can't get narcotics. He talks about something called "suicide by Tylenol": "When chronic pain patients can't get opioids, they go out and use tremendous amounts of drugs like Tylenol and Motrin, which can cause serious liver and kidney damage. Pain patients are dying from kidney and liver disease because of this."

Many pain patients are also dying by their own hand, according to the Pain Relief Network's Reynolds. "All over America, pain patients are committing suicide because of the DEA's campaign," she claims. "I know of at least 17 recent cases in Arkansas alone. It's really astonishing the amount of human carnage that this campaign has already caused."

Fumes Myers: "What's going on here is morally reprehensible and medically incomprehensible and it has to stop. Doctors who treat pain patients are not criminals."







A not so satirical piece of advice to doctors by the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, Inc

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Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, Inc

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ADVICE TO DOCTORS RE: PAIN MANAGEMENT

(or "What the government has taught doctors.")
Until wrongs are righted and procedural changes are made, physicians have little choice other than to be unusually suspicious of new patients, to require unnecessary and expensive tests, to waste time on excessive documentation, or to turn away suffering patients, even if they think the patients may not find anyone else to treat them.

If you're thinking about getting into pain management using opioids as appropriate:


DON'T. Forget what you learned in medical school -- drug agents now set medical standards.
If you do, first discuss the risks with your family.
They could lose a mother or father or breadwinner, their home, their car, their college fund;
There could be years of harassment and legal fees;
Your colleagues will probably ostracize you and family members at the first sign of trouble.
If you are already prescribing opioids:


Beware of new patients. If you accept a new patient, do background checks, demand old records before writing the first Rx, obtain urine screens and get them to sign opioid contracts. It is safer to turn them down, explain why, and give them an action item (call their congressman, for example).

Do thorough physicals, even if unnecessary and not helpful.

Make voluminous notes.

Exercise zero tolerance for patient slip-ups (such as losing a prescription).

Beware of any patients with a history of drug abuse. Even if now clean and in genuine pain, they might be induced by government zealots to testify against you to save themselves from imprisonment on drug charges.

Refer patients early and often to addictionologists, orthopedists, pain specialists, psychologists, regardless of expense or your opinion of helpfulness.

Keep a low profile and beware of saying anything that might offend an official of law enforcement, the licensure board, or the state medical society.

Never forget that you could be held to a standard of strict liability for any patient misbehavior or for any bad outcomes such as death, no matter the cause and without regard to the culpability of the patient or his associates. Remember, your medical decisions will be reviewed by drug agents who will decide if your actions were medically reasonable.

Consider phasing out this part of your practice, giving patients plenty of time to find another doctor.











You are most welcome to contribute to this topic / thread by posting below.


Edited by DrugBuyers (06/02/04 12:54 PM)

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#93092 - 04/28/04 12:14 PM Re: Why is is so hard to get some prescription drugs?
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I saw in the village voice artical that at least 17 cronic pain suffers have committed suicide - due to teh physisians fear of fufilling their oth to relieve pain and suffering.

I can relate - took pain meds for 8 years (no addiction no habituation. HaD FUSION - NO pain for two years. Now two more disks gone. Took pain meds (up to 60mg hydro/day).

THEN my doctor lost of had stoled her triplicate pad. She then went back and CHANGED my med records to reduce dose and frequency. Handed me over to another doctor who told me i didn't need meds. I spent thr mext year in bed at least 4 days a week - until my neighbors took me to emergency for demerol/morphine.

I prayed every day for god to call me back and put an end to the pain.

SO I can relate to those 17./

Incidently, I have narcolepsy - and my niueroligist was seeing me for my routine 3month triplicate for dexidrine and saw me stand up and walk (after a fashion). He perscribed me 120 10/325s on teh spot.

And I believed teh doctor when she said I din't need meds - but she was more interested in DEA prosecution than keeping me alive

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#93093 - 04/29/04 01:41 PM Re:Why isit so hard to get some prscription drugs?
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I cannot even believe that that is real, or legal for that matter!!

I am so stunned to even read that. We need to repeat that message everywhere we can, so we can drive home to people, doctors, legislators, anyone, how draconian laws and regulations have become.

We need to show everyone how absurd things have gotten, and how pain management has been reduced to nothing.

The US war on patients has grown out of control.

I've copied and pasted the article, and I intend to show it to anyone I can think of, including my own doctors. When confronted with it, SOMEone has got to be embarrassed.

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#93094 - 04/30/04 09:24 PM Re:Why isit so hard to get some prscription drugs?
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i will surly be one that could not live with out the pain
meds even with them some days are just hell like tonight
i am in so much pain the meds are helping but but not much
i can't sleep thow i pray that i can so i don't feal the pain so i don't yell at the kids and hubby for no reson
i know a trip to the ER is coming but i have been puting that off because i don't want to be treated like a drug secker (sorry about the spelling but it hard to tip in pain) i would by fare reather them fined out what is giveing me pain and fix me but till then it take meds or die i offten wounder if pain alowen can kill you i some times fell it will (or whish it would) how can any one tell me i don't have the right to help because some one who dosen't may take what helps me to get high well their are lots of other drugs (street drugs they can and do and will keep doing to get high even after they take my pain meds away from me thows that want to get high will most do not get them from doctors things like coke and crak will alway be around but more may strat to use them for pain (not sure if that would work on pain)but sure lots will try if they can no longer get help from there doctors and could we plame them i just wish i would die tonight and that with meds everyday my kids see me in pain in a bad mode i fell so bad when i yell when i shouldn't and they say they undsteand when i say i am sorry but do they how would it be with out the help of op's i try to listen to the kids talk about there day want to read to me or just spend time with me but all the time i am thinking about how to stop the pain and if they would be better off if i would have die a few months ago when i was on life suport. i have been lifeing in pain for 3 years now i have been to doctor after doctor looking for help (not meds) they alwauys give me pain meds for a bite then stop i don't want meds (thow i need them)what i want is what ever is giveing me pain to be found and fixed but for us that can not be fixed we should be able to get meds that are knewn to help us.
sorry so long but it makes me so mad to read stuff like this that makes poeple look at use the same as some on on crak it just not right

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#93095 - 06/17/04 12:35 PM Re: Why is it so hard to get some prescription drugs?
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I can believe it. It makes total sense, seeing what I've been through for the past 3 years. It's amazing how the DEA controls a field that they truly have no business in - medicine. They are there to (I thought??) take care of illegal distribution of drugs that are being bought and sold illegally on the streets. Crack, cocaine, heroin and even illegally purchased and sold opiates - but the Feds are more interested in coming down on the patients that require these meds to stay alive, or at least live a life that is nearly free of pain (I would say mine is a 7-9 without meds and with meds is a 2 or 3, or 1 on a great day).

I do believe that those in the public eye who have used and abused drugs have upped the anty in regard to how the DEA looks at and acts in accordance to their drug arrests, but generally, they are, IMHO, being directed to arrest and then prosecute doctors who are prescribing medication to patients who will either abuse their meds or take them as prescribed. How can a doctor be responsible for an individual's actions? I believe that there is way too little accountibility for one's own actions in this country. We are always trying to find someone to blame if something horrific happens that is not the fault of another. There has to be someone to blame (but those in power of prosecution cannot look at it as individual accountibility), so the DEA is now directing their attentions to doctors who write for opiates. I cannot receive adequate medical care at all, and rely upon OP's for my medical care and to be able to do the things I used to do without the pain. I wake up and cannot even move - if this were to be my life, it would really just be existing.

I feel horrible for everyone suffering with pain and cannot find the adequate care we all deserve. I am paying exorbitant prices that I can't really afford, when, if I were to go through my HMO, we could have much more for our kids, our retirement, etc. It's absurd and reprehensible.

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#93096 - 06/30/04 05:55 PM Re:Why isit so hard to get some prscription drugs?
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You are the typical pain patient....your story is our story....we go from doctor to doctor....often have multiple painful procedures (that line their pockets, when writing scripts doesnt pay well)....I went to a pain managment doctor that only did epidurals...course reimbursement for each epidural by my insurance was $1200.00...he didn't "believe" in narcotics...and why would he...he would stand to lose a LOT of money if his patients no longer needed the useless epidurals he was pushing...I myself had 3 ever 4 months...to the point where now I have so much scar tissue & adhesions later therapies have been difficult...the surgery just prior to my last spinal cord stimulator revision was 12 hours of agonzing surgery, and I had to be awake for the whole thing...it was a nightmare...just because of all the epidurals I've had....I'm fortunate to have a compassionate group of pain management doctors and an excellent spinal surgeon now...but I have to fly to see them every two months....and they've informed me if the DEA gets down on them, I may have to fly monthly to continue to get my meds....that's enough to make me CRAZY...but before I found them, my life wasn't worth living and I was quite suicidal.
I've been through hell this year with three scary hospitalizations, the last one I spent 3 days in ICU...and while there I had to fight to get my pain treated effectively...even when there were ordered meds for me...the nurses wanted to "control" how & when I got them...I actually had to get the nursing supervisor to my bedside to get my scheduled dose of morpine one night...it's just crazy...I'll pray for you that you too find a compassionate doctor...no one should have to live with excruciating pain on a daily basis...and I believe no one can for any extended period of time...it takes too much out of you....

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#93097 - 06/30/04 06:12 PM Re:Why isit so hard to get some prscription drugs?
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This is probably the most rhetorical, idiotic question ever asked on this board, but why don't we adopt an entirely new attitude toward medicine - let's have doctors heal the sick and do everything they have in their power to make their patients' lives better?

What keeps everything and everyone "in line" when there is clearly an overwhelming need for realistic approaches to pain management.

I've seen Discovery-type TV shows about the topic and about how doctors are afraid to prescribe certain compounds because of DEA pressure, so it isn't that people don't KNOW - is it the stigma of narcotic drug use, or just that such a minority of people suffer crippling pain that it isn't "important" enough to address?

I'm asking a real question here - I read the documentation earlier in this thread, but nothing has explained to me why a doctor who has allegedly sworn to help hir patients can ethically deny what is known to be an effective treatment. I know that it happens, but why? What do the DEA or FDA get out of causing pain and prison sentences for honest sufferers? What is their gain?

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#93098 - 06/30/04 09:23 PM Re:Why isit so hard to get some prscription drugs?
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i can tell you thier gain, its just like the recent story of a kid who got meds online and died from an od. thats the gain, the politicians use stories like that to shut everything down, and im truly sorry this kid died, but the policy makers have to realize the #s of real pain patients who exist, if i didnt have my meds i would not make it thru a day, so in a way i would be like this boy, so by making all these hard Rules, and scaring docs with thier liscenses, these politicians are going to cause alot of people who barely can get thru a day as it is, not be able to get thru a day, they will be the cause of many people 2nd guessing life because the pain is too great and it will be too hard to get meds too help, god help them make the right choice

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#93099 - 07/01/04 06:30 AM Re:Why isit so hard to get some prscription drugs?
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Yeah its the "Think of the Children!" motto. Nobody DISlikes kids, so doing things "in their best interest" is always politically easier than doing it to police ourselves.

They didn't mention the kids who were shot that day by thugs for doing nothing wrong, they didn't mention the children who died because they stuck forks in electrical outlets that day, they didn't mention that *most* of the population of the world doesn't have running water - they mention the one kid who got stupid and ate too many pills, then demonize the OP who sold them to him, and consequently OPs in general.

This sickens me, but it happens all the time. The OP who sold a kid drugs needs a spanking, if not a Louisville Sluggering, but the fault isn't with OPs it is with ONE OP and one irresponsible child who apparently somehow managed to order enough h/c to kill himself.

Sorry to rant, but using ONE child who himself made the mistake to justify attacking a medium that many people have grown to NEED is so ludicrous that...well hell, now I need a Valium.

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#93100 - 07/01/04 03:08 PM Re:Why isit so hard to get some prscription drugs?
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Because it's been deemed that to stick with the "status quo" is the "way to go". Our society says that alcohol is the "drug of choice" - one only has to look at an AA meeting to dispute that one. Seriously, it is the interaction of politics, economics and medicine that keeps this the way it is. In NYState controlled substances must be written in TRIPLICATE prescriptions - and the state charges an MD $1.00 for each prescription - makes for lots of jobs in the Capitol - Albany - filing the state copies - lots of employment for DEA officers to come around to the local pharmacies and bust their chops - come on guys - wake up and smell the coffee. Why does Jeb Bush's daughter get rehab for forging Xanex Rx's and some other poor guy in FL is sentenced to 25 years in jail - why does Rush Limbaugh get rehab when anyone else would have been locked up and had the key thrown away - why is Martha Stewart probably going to jail when Ken Lay is out there free as a bird on some golf course with his buddies figuring out how to rip zillions out of some other group of poor souls' 401K. The American society is a very hypocritacal one and has a HUGE double standard - and it's guaranteed to line the pockets of those who have the power and don't want to relinquish it.
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#93101 - 07/07/04 07:57 PM Re:Why isit so hard to get some prscription drugs?
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Agreed - I guess we can go back and forth on the issue all night nodding in agreement, probably with most of the people reading this too. And probably even with most of the lawmakers, secretly.

Eventually common sense will prevail - eventually it will not be a sin to improve our lives through the aid and knowledge of biologists and chemists.

Soon maybe some people won't have to hire a doctor (who is now a criminal, we are told) to kill them to put them out of their misery.

Suddenly, everyone will wake up and think "holy cow, this is crazy - a LOT of people WANT to participate in this world but CANNOT because they are in crippling pain for which the only relief is illegal because some people enjoy it"

I don't know where I'm going with this, just venting I guess. Legally enforced morality, and about something so important to so many people. Is that what it has come down to?

Didn't England make Heroin legal for a couple years some time back? Whatever happened with that, anyway, did the numbers look too good so they got blown under a rug and the law crept back in place, or was the whole experiment actually a failure, does anybody happen to know offhand?

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#93102 - 07/07/04 09:54 PM Re:Why isit so hard to get some prscription drugs?
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Eventually common sense will prevail





Flippie,

I'm not wanting to misquote you, but that part of your statement quoted above was one of the best I've seen in a long time. I hope this happens in my life. In the meantime I'll just stick to the notion that common sense is not that common.

I agree with many others who posted that much of this is political gain using the "must protect the children" arguement. Maybe seatbelts in school buses... no outlaw the evil drugs.

Let's not forget, that our government "subsidizes" TV shows that have stories lines that perpetuate evil drug stories. The general public is constantly being fed misinformation regarding the use of narcotic pain meds. Do Oprah and Dr Phil do shows on people in chronic pain being treated like dog dodo in the medical system or do we see the housewife addicted to xanax going off to rehab? I'd love to see a national debate on pain management in this country. Even NPR has jumped on the bandwagon talking about oxycontin being just a click away from your teenager.

OK, I've ranted enough. I want common sense to prevail, sure wish there was more of it.

Sam

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#93103 - 07/08/04 09:26 PM Re:Why isit so hard to get some prscription drugs?
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Sam;

If I could argue with you, I would. I am usually pretty good at finding SOMETHING to argue about, but I agree entirely. I do think that there are at least some reasons to feel a little optimism.

If I understand correctly, for instance, the E.U. decided that membership would require nations to maintain a certain maximum rate of violent crime, so many European nations are starting to realize that their billions of crime-fighting tax dollars could be better used elsewhere. It took someone to grab them and shake them and yell for a while, but now it seems that this common sense is becoming a contageous meme. We can only hope.

I think of it this way - we live in a Democracy, which is for all practical purposes an organized mob-Rules social philosophy (with some checks and balances built in). When a Democracy works perfectly, when exactly everyone gets an equal share of the vote, the outcome of that vote is going to reflect the average person, including the average I.Q.

So change comes slowly. People need reasons to stop believing lies and hype, otherwise they won't. As long as being anti-drug is fashionable, the lies will be with us, the exo-toxic memes we surround ourselves with. As long as the public is tapping it's feet to it, it is not going to change. We need either another focus, or to wash drug use into the mainstream, and I mean AM radio type mainstream.

As soon as Britney Spears admits she shoots Oxy and her mom helps her with the needle, and she writes a popular, catchy song about it, then we'll see the first crack of hope.

When the weatherman says on T.V. "...and it's going to be a stormy one out there folks, it'd be a good day to curl up in front of the fireplace with a loved one and a joint" and not get fired, then progress will have been made.

Like when African-American people first started using the proverbial N word to describe themselves, or gays began using queer - we could take the wind out of their sails.

Those two particular examples are not really the same thing though, so let's knock on Formica that history repeats itself, and we get tired of wasting our money on fruitless nonsense.

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#93104 - 07/12/04 11:10 PM Re:Why is it so hard to get prescription drugs?
sam001 Offline
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Flippie,

I appreciate your hopeful outlook, thank you. Attitudes change slowly, but they do indeed change. 50 years from now I hope indeed we're looking back saying "Can you believe the way pain was treated back then?"

Thanks again,

Sam

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#93105 - 09/08/04 04:39 PM Re:Why is it so hard to get prescription drugs?
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THE WAY TO CONTROL ANYONE OR ANYTHING IS THROUGH PAIN...RIGHT...OF COURSE IM RIGHT.THOSE THAT ABUSE DRUGS DIE SO IS THERE A LAW AGAINST SUICIDE?OF COURSE NOT.YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO FIGURE THE GOVERNMENTS ACTION OUT BY NOW.ITS ALL ABOUT CONTROL.

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#93106 - 09/08/04 10:16 PM Re:Why is it so hard to get prescription drugs?
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#93107 - 11/30/04 02:28 PM Re:Why is it so hard to get prescription drugs?
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It is really sad, that these drugs are made for a purpose, which in America seems to have become taboo!
Also why does the FDA or large pharmeceutical companies hardly ever get any heat when a drug of theirs "kills" a ton of people like phen-fen (Wyeth) or even further back in time, shortly after Valium was introuduced in 1961, tons of housewives became severly addicted to them (hence the nick-name "Mothers little helpers".) There is hardly any mention of that except from stories from older family members.
They should call common sense - uncommon or rare sense that would be more appropriate.
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#93108 - 08/30/05 05:03 AM Re:Why is it so hard to get prescription drugs?
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good morning all,i just ran across this posting and even though it is old i wanted to chime in.i am a 42 yr old,hard working family man who struggles everyday to support my family along with my wife.i struggle because i am in great pain for two reasons.i have a bullett still lodged near my spinal cord in the lower lumbar region of L4-L5.blown discs and nerve damage.i had my second shoulder durgery to put 5 more plates and 10 more screwes in to hold it all together so it stops popping out.needless to say i have great pain all day.after the surgeon releases you he is finished with any meds and i understand that.my internist who i have gone to for a little over 10 yrs was prescribing me vicodin and then after letting him know it was worthless and the amount i had to take hurt my liver he gave me oxycontin 40mg's and xanax.only 30 day supply at a time.he was always telling me he was uncomfortable prescribing this so he sent me to a "pain management" doc.he gave me oxycontin 80mg 60 day supply but then after 4 months and going in for my refill and exam he decided to change and start the dammed epidurals.painful and not working real well.he said he did not want to keep me pn the pills.it is my life i have to struggle through.why not.it allows me to work and participate in my childrens life and it is hurting nobody.i am frustrated by the lack of compassion and understanding and the disregard for the hypocratic oath that all md's swear on.just wanted to add my (few)words.sorry for rambling but i get angry at this witch hunt mentality.
peace and god bless
jesse

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#93109 - 04/26/06 06:33 PM Re:Why is it so hard to get prescription drugs?
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I have reflex sympathetic dystrophy in my left leg. MRI has shown bone swelling and tissue damage. Even with these MRIs and obvious deformation of my leg, I am completely unable to get a traditional doctor to prescribe me any pain medication at all. One of them even gave me a half-hour-long lecture on the dangers of narcotics and informed me that "they don't even work for nerve pain anyway". I am living proof that they DO work for nerve pain. I have four children, including 15-month-old twins, and I love to be active with them- get on the floor and play, take them for walks, push them on the swings- and all of these things are impossible without pain meds. People talk about how expensive they are to get from the internet, but to me for the above reasons, they're priceless. They give me back my life and my family.
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#93110 - 04/26/06 08:02 PM Re:Why is it so hard to get prescription drugs?
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RSDhurst2,

I have RSD also. I can tell you right now you need to find a new doctor. I am sorry but I have been living with RSD for 6 years now and Hydrocodone is no where near strong enough to battle RSD. RSD is one of the most painfull diseases there are. Hydrocodone is for tooth aches and back pain that comes and goes. It is no match for RSD. If you need to use an ROP while you search for an RSD Specialist, that's one thing. But, it will not help for long.

Are you seeing a Neurologist? Has the Neurologist referred you to a pain specialist who specializes in RSD?

The day I was diagnosed with RSD, I had already been on Percocet for MS and was put on Oxycontin the day I was diagnosed. The neurologist prescribed the first fill and then set up an appointment for me in three weeks with an RSD Specialist. From there we tried a buffet of different pain med cocktails trying to find the best one for me.

Your problem is not "Doctors". Your problem is Your Doctor. RSD is a life sentence of pain, pain and more pain. Some days are moderate and some days are severe. Then there are those few days where you are in the ER.

I am now using Methadone (BY FAR, THE Best Pain Medication I have ever been on) with Percocet for BT and Actiq Pops when needed. If the pops are not cutting it, it's off to the ER.

For the ER, I have a card with my photo on it that I have to show when I go to the ER and I do not even sit down in the waiting room. I am ushered immediately into a room and and given a shot of Fentanyl while they get the IV inserted and the pump hooked up with the Fentanyl flowing. I don't respond well to Morphine so my chart says FENTANYL in huge red letters across the center.

Of course my point in telling you this is that there are good doctors out there. The reason I was given the Chronic Pain Patient ID Card was because of my first visit to the ER.

Like all my previous trips to the ER in NJ they had me sitting in the waiting room for four hours and then in a curtain room for another two hours with no pain medication. Meanwhile, I had a fever of 104 and my knee was red hot! I finally asked them to call my pain doctor and they looked at me like I was nuts. The nurse asked, who is your pain doctor? When I said his name she just turned and walked away. Within 5 minutes I had a shot of 150 mgs of Demerol and they had him on the phone.

After he got my status, he called my orthopedist, Dr. B and sent him to the hospital and told them to give me 50mg shots as I needed them until Dr. B arrived. I had had a knee replacement two months earlier so 104 fever and a hot knee is serious! He arrived at the hospital in about an hour and it was now 1am. He stuck what looked like a 10 foot needle into my knee cap and extracted this green looking slime.

I had a very serious infection and was admitted for three weeks.

So, after that episode, my pain doctor gave me the card. Apparently my pain doc is very well known at this hospital and when the staff see one of these cards, they jump. He works strictly for my Orthopedist, Dr. B. He doesn't take on any patients not sent to him by Dr. B.

My Orthopedist, who travels all over the world to do knee surgeries, is one of the designers of the new material used for knee and hip replacements now. He is quite well respected in the field. I got very lucky getting in with him. Last summer when I was in the waiting room for a regular visit with Dr. B, Joe Namath was the patient before me.

I had no idea he was so talented. He didn't do my knee replacement. I had it done in another state. After rehab, my doctor in NJ was concerned about the way it was healing and he sent me to Florida to see this doctor. All I was told at the time was that they had gone to medical school together and he wanted him to take a look.

I was on a plane two days later and I never went back to NJ.

Sorry for going on and on. My point is that there are good doctors out there. You need to do your research and find one that is an expert in his field, in your case RSD.

There has been a LOT of advances in the treatment of RSD lately. If you want to PM my what state you live in, I will see if maybe I can help you find an RSD specialist.

Shane

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#93111 - 05/09/06 03:18 AM Re:Why is it so hard to get prescription drugs?
dudah Offline
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I too are one of those people who suffer on a daily basis,sometimes I wonder how I"m going to make it through another day????Even simple tasks of daily living are extremely diff. for me,Its emoitionally wearing on me,Im only 46 yrs. old,I dont want to live like an invalid!!!!I have 7 children,2 still at home,14 and 9,my husband is a para medic and works long days,I push myself so hard everyday just to have a normal life.Im sick of tired of being in pain,not just like a minor ache,but the kind of pain u want to go to the emergency room for.I don"t want to be looked down apon as a med seeker,so I just take what they give me and don"t complain.I have been complacent with the fact this is my life,my burden to bear,it just seems so inhuman to let a person suffer this way.Ive had a fusion on L3 to S1,and one year later a fusion on C4 to C6,my cervical fusion has caused me more pain than prior to the surgery,if I would have know It was going to make things worse,I would have lived with the intial pain.My cervical fusion did not heal,one of my screws has shifted completely through the bone and the top of screw is in the disc below it.As of a result of the fusion,the vertebra above and below it as take on extra stress and now they are damaged.I"ve been on lortab 10/500 for the last yr and my surgeon changed it to percocet 5/550 and it did"t help any more than the Lortab,so I asked him to just put me back on the Lortab,it"s a hassle to fill the percocrt Rx,u have to pick up the Rx as it cann"t be called in.I"m currently going through epidural steroid injectins,and in the mean while I have surgical date for June 9 th ,if they don"t help.The first one has had no affect other than making me really irritable,anxious and gives me insomnia bad.I really don"t want to have a revision surgery as I know the odds of a good out come go down with consecutive surgeries,but I can"t live in this much pain for very much longer,I feel like I have no options at this point,I can"t get any relief even with the lortab.My husband and kids say I should go back to the Dr. and ask for something stronger,but I feel vwry uncomfortable asking for stronger pain meds,I feel like they would look at me like some kind of drug seeker,so I just suffer.Whats really ironic about my pain is,I don"t have any pain in my neck,its in my upper back,around my L scapula,its like a stabbing lanceating pain every couple of seconds,it will start a couple of hrs. after I get up in the am,and then it won"t stop untill I go to bed,the only thiong that releives it is laying down or sitting semi-rclined.Now if I could do that all day I would be ok,but I have 2 children,14 and 9 who r very active and my husband works very long days as a papa medic for a big city,he leaves the house at 6:30 am and doesNt get home till 8:om,thats pretty much the entire day.And to make matters worse,I have OCD,My house has to be impectably clean,everything has to be perfect looking.I bought my first house 3 mos ago,at age 46,and I want everthing to be perfect.So I push myself really hard every day to make this my dream home,I can"t help myself,I have to have everything in order,everything has to look good.My husband,children and family don"t understand me????They think just because I can push myself to get things done,I must not be in that much pain.But Im so used to being in pain,I just work through it,because I fel like I have to.They have no idea how bad I suffer,I just keep pushing my self to get er done.I have to,I"m not ready to give up the way I want my life to be,It would be a miracle to me to be able to control my pain.It"s very difficult for peolpe to comprehend that a person could suffer in excruiating pain every day and still keep up with every one else.Its a lonely road I walk alone,and only I know how it feels to walk this road,pain is subjective,not objective,u can"t see someone"s pain.or feel it.only the person affected can feel it.thats why Dr.s arent very sympathetic,its a subjective finding,not objective.Objective means u can feel,see,haer a finding,pain is subjective,its somehting a person feels,a Dr. cannot feel your pain.He knows if u break a arm or leg,its going to be painful,obviously,but when u suffer from pain from say a nerve,its not as obvious,never the less as painful.Dr.S like to see objective symptoms or findings to explain your pain,and when nerves are involved its very diff to for them to believe you if u don"t have some objective findings to back it up.I am a person with a med backround,and Dr.s want to see a reason explaining your pain.Thanx for letting me unload on all u nice people out there,I pray for all of you u find a way to decrease and cope with your suffering.God Bless All of you
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#93112 - 05/09/06 08:57 PM Re:Why is it so hard to get prescription drugs?
katiizz Offline
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I TOTALLY understand what you are saying I thought after reaing your post someone FINALLY knew how I felt FEEL.. and that is in PAIN!!!!, I to do not understand why it is so hard. and the funny thing with my situation is I actually have my MD who WILL prescribe but in turn HE gets in trouble!, I mean what are we to do. and then here we are buying online in the interum, then constantly have to wonder about LE / DEA watching us from this end when all we are wanting to do is to live a PRODUCTIVE LIFE.!! I absolutely HATE that my 14 year old and 6 year old are watching me and the the second thing out of their mouth after I LOVE YOU is DID U TAKE YOUR PILLS??


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#93113 - 05/12/06 01:59 PM Re: Why is is so hard to get some prescription drugs?
gradyex Offline
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Today I happened to read all these posts in this thread and it just makes me feel sick to my stomach to read what all of you poor souls are going through because I have been there myself and know what it is like to be in soo much pain for so long. Most of my life was riddled with severe pain due to 2 bad disks in my back L4-5 and L5-S1, the last 2 disks down the end of your spine. The first surgery gave some relief but for only one year and the second surgery (basically a re-do of the first) has really allowed me to live with some type of sanity because like all of you I just could not take it any more. Unfortunately, for anyone to understand it you have to experience it (God forbid that you do) and words do not explain the living hell one lives in when its day to day and unrelenting with no releif in site, except with the strongest of opioids. Today thank God, its past me but not completely and I just want this ridiculous "drug War" to end and have a government that cares about how I feel and my well being rather than how many doctors/citizens they can prosecute. Remember LE, DEA, and others reading our posts that someday it might be YOU that will need these treatments and your policies have doctors prescribing medicines that are "sub par" at best and you will experience the results first hand and then come and tell us that you were right and would do it all over again. What a shame ignorance has bestowed upon its own people, some of which gave their lives up for this "freedom" we enjoy. Yes, today I feel sick to my stomach.

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#93114 - 05/26/06 12:04 PM Re:Why is it so hard to get prescription drugs?
angto725 Offline
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The gov't and DEA are CRIMINALIZING doctors for doing their job!!! They became doctors with intentions of helping people (and let's face it...making alot of $) but their hands have been tied by big brother. It won't change until WE DEMAND CHANGE!

Look what a bunch of illegal aliens who broke the law (and continue to do so) to get into this country, are getting accomplished by making alot of noise! They are demanding rights when they shouldn't be here in the first d@mn place! Somehow in this @ss backwards society of ours, these lawbreaking illegal aliens have lit a fire under the @ss of congress. (Even Bush...the useless moron behind the wheel, driving this country into the ground, is losing sleep over the cr@p the illegals are pulling...can we please use restraint & try not to turn this into a debate about Bush by the way!)

WE have even more power to affect change by being citizens! We all need to get together and hold some of those protests and DEMAND fair and ethical treatment by our doctors! We have a right to humane treatment! Flood your congressmans office with letters demanding change! If a derelict on death row for murder, can appeal his death sentence by claiming that it's "cruel and unusual punishment" we should be doing at least that and call this what it is...CRUEL AND UNUSUAL PUNISHMENT for innocent victims and chronic pain sufferers who didn't ask to have their lives turned upside down by prepetual suffering.

Doctors who treat pain patients are over a barrel. It has nothing to do with their personal opinions of people who need to control pain w/drugs. Think about it, do you really think they want to invest time and aggrivation in fighting with a "pill head" by making them jump through hoops to prove they're in pain? Not even a little bit! They'd much rather write that script, get paid and move on to the next paycheck, oops, I mean patient!

They CAN'T do that because of the cloud of harrassment that hangs over their heads. They go to work every day knowing that for every prescription they write that's on the DEA's red flag list, they increase their chances of harrassment.

They are investigated, scrutinized and faced with serious consequence every time they pick up that pen. They live with the knowledge that losing their license, practice and even serving jail time could be just a stroke of the pen away. Then what happens to their families? They face losing everything, not being able to put food on their tables or pay for thier kid's education when they're sued by the gov't and all their assets get seized. They will have to spend everything they've worked hard for just to pay their legal expenses to defend themselves. Read up about some of the things doctors have gone through for legitametely treating pain sufferers (some of whom are terminally ill!)

It really isn't personal. It's hard not to take it that way when you're on the receiving end of the abuse, as I too have been, but they have too much to loose. This by no means makes it right and while there are some, there need to be alot more doctors who are willing to fight for what's right. Willing to fight for what they invested so much time and money learning how to do...helping people.

Mark my words, if we don't start fighting back this will be just the beginning of a new era of medicine controlled by gov't scare tactics and if we let them get away with it, it will only be the beginning of a new world of dictatorship in a country that is supposed to be free for it's people. When the gov't (who are NOT medical pofessionals) starts dictating to my doctor how to treat my illnesses, it's high time to worry! Panic even! We aren't helpless...let's stop this NOW!!! We CAN do it, it's time to remember who gives these idiots their jobs when the ballot boxes are open. Write your gov't officials and DEMAND CHANGE! Save a copy and send two a day! Let's start harrassing back!!!!!!!!!!!!

If they are going to make my life harder and cause any unjust suffering in my life, the VERY LEAST I can do is make sure they get to go home everyday with a BIG FAT headache with my name written all over it!



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#93115 - 05/26/06 12:06 PM Re:Why is it so hard to get prescription drugs?
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I put this post in another thread, but am putting it here too in hopes that more people will see it and get on board! Thanks, feel free to IM me if you want to do something about this problem!
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#93116 - 05/26/06 12:24 PM Re:Why is it so hard to get prescription drugs?
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I'm in the process of contacting Anderson Cooper of CNN, he's a fantastic "expos`e" type reporter who seems to be pretty powerful in drawing attention to a topic. I'm also going to talk with some of the doctors and supporters of Pain.Com, the American Pain Society (www.ampainsoc.org) The American Chronic Pain Association (theacpa.org)the American Academy of Pain Management (aapainmanage.org) and Partners Against Pain (partnersagainstpain.com) for some help and support trying to start assembling rallies and protests. TALK TO YOUR FRIENDS AND FAMILIES!!! Tell them if they hear about it, get involved! After all...in a split second life altering circumstance, it could be them in these shoes! This topic affects everyone, not just people who are already in some type of CP. I won't give up until I know that if it were one of my children, that they wouldn't have to suffer needlessly at the hands of a political pet project!

My fury started when I was talking to a new doctor about my migraines several years ago (a result of my accident related head injury) and before I finished describing my symptoms of a bad one, he interrupted to declare that often people come in complaining of headaches just to obtain drugs! I was horrified....and FURIOUS! He wasn't even listening to me. I guess in his mind, I was just seeking drugs so I could spend my days and nights looped and useless to my children with no intention of actually figuring out what is at the root of the problem so I could actually stop the d@mn things! Nope...I must just be another well dressed junkie too good to go to the local drug dealer (who is always sympathetic as long as your money is green) to buy some heroin, so instead, I'd rather be verbally assaulted by a medical professional in the hopes of obtaining some lame headache medicine that I'd have to take 20 of just to catch a buzz....or get very sick, whatever comes first! That's the goal of us CP junkies, you know.

We can choose to continue to be violated like this, or do something...I will die fighting if need be! This is not a legacy that I will allow my children to inherit!
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#93117 - 06/01/06 11:07 PM Re:Why is it so hard to get prescription drugs?
unseen410 Offline
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I'm totally new to this, and I don't really know what I'm doing, so I'm looking for a little guidance here....

When I was 15 I fell off a mountain bike and damaged my spine...I don't know as much about it as the other posters here, but my orthopedic surgeon told me I had crushed the lowest vertebrae in my back (before my hip) and a piece of it was now gone forever. He told me there was nothing he could do, and I would have to learn to live with the pain and perscribed me naprosyn (before was OTC) for the pain.

Well, as you probably all know here, the Aleve didn't do anything for the pain ever, and I completely abandoned taking anything by about 18, but he was right, I learned to live with it. I am now 26 and I live an active life, but there is constant pain my lower back.

I hate doctors, I hate the way they treat me. I am an attorney, I see how stupid and unprofessional some physicians are, both in my personal and professional life. I would like to have some more control in my own situation. I really have no idea how to go about this, but I feel like living in constant pain entitles me to something. In my life I have broken both bones in my left arm twice, my right wrist twice, my right ankle, my right collar-bone, twice in the same place (now permanantly weakend) one of my fingers, my rib, and my nose. Additionally I was in a motorcycle accident and did something pretty bad to my legs, in the socket where the connect to the hip, but I never really had it checked out. (I sometimes get shooting pain in my hip if I move in a certain way)

In spite of all that, I live an active life, and I really am not even looking for a heavy medication. All I want is something to numb the pain at night so I can spend a few hours in peace and go to sleep. I really feel I have a right to treatment, but I'm so far outside of the healthcare system I don't know what to do. And I do worry about the legality of all this. I don't want to go to jail or loose my license. I just want access to something that someone in my situation with my documented medical history ought to have. Thank you all for doing this. And to everyone that stands up and lives the best life they can in pain, God Bless you all.

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#93118 - 06/21/06 08:11 AM Re:Why is it so hard to get prescription drugs?
janey Offline
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.............AND he's a sharp dresser.

On another serious note, I respect what is it you are in the process of doing!!


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#93119 - 07/05/06 09:30 PM Re:Why is it so hard to get prescription drugs?
slakware Offline
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I'm 23 years old, and I too, have OCD, and Tourrette's, ADD, Chronic pain in my back, my knee, my ankle, and my shoulder.

I know first hand how Drs treat people. I'm not old and don't have Cancer yet, and I have long hair. Basically, when I walk into the office the first thing they think is "Heroin Addict trying to get a fix"...

It digusts me and has given me a complete hatred towards the DEA and the medical field of America in General.

I had finally found a Dr who could help me out (I was taking up to 12 Vicodin ES each and every day while having Liver tests done every few months, which showed no damage or starts of damage just to make sure it was not killing me) and then some one drive a car into the building he works in.

Turns out this guy was a Dr shopper and had a list of 9 Drs he would go to for Vicodin.

Of course the dea (I refuse to capitolize that) investigated, and during that time, I couldn't get Vicodin.

He gave me Ultracet (Can you say head ache that makes you want to kill yourself?) which didn't work at all.

I went into the ER finally after not being able to take the pain anymore where they gave me some HydroMorphone.

that worked good for a few hours and a few months later, I was able to get Vicodin ES agani, and then Norco.

Well, last month, he cut me off. Ultracet again.

*Sigh*

I drive to Canada, bought some 222s, and have been living off those for now.

They barely work, but they work better than these Ultracet tabs.

I've actually been told once by an ER Dr "Lose some weight and take Motrin"... I'm DEATHLY allergic to Anti Inflammitories, including but not limited too:

Motrin, Aspirin, Celebrex....And even the Cortizone shot I was told wouldn't react the same way... The next day after the Cortizone shot I was in the ER, my skin BRIGHT Red, hot to the touch, and trouble breathing.

I almost died because another Dr looked at a "young punk kid with long hair" thinking I only wanted to get high.

It pisses me off. The worse part is that these thngs don't even make me feel high. even a shot of Morphine on an empty stomache didn't even give me a buzz.

So not only do they not make me feel stoned, but the Drs seem to think it's why I'm there.

And yes, I do have multiple MRIs, Xrays, and physical therapy sesssions under my belt proving that not only do I have a valid need but that I've also tried everything else.

This alone makes me absolutely HATE the United States. We won't show cruel or un-usual punishment to a murderer, but we have no problem torturing someone in pain.

Have a good 4th of July anyone? I didn't celebrate.

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#93121 - 07/05/06 10:38 PM Re:Why is it so hard to get prescription drugs?
LauraA Offline
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Registered: 11/10/03
Posts: 2083
Loc: West Coast
If you would rather try an ROP since you have good records, there are several good ones right now - I have heard that YPM and PMC are currently very good rop's. I think PMC still has a discounted consult. They both offer 10/325 norco's, to my knowledge for not too high.

You can check around on the threads as well to see what others think of the different op's to decide which one might be right for you.

I also was unable to celebrate - totally out of commission for 10 days now with low back pain that may well be a 3rd herniation of L5. Won't know until Aug, though since my mri is scheduled for one month out...I hope you can get the relief you need soon!

btw - I also cannot take any form of NSAID after having them given to me for so many years, I developed internal bleeding from them and if you ever have to go to the ER, don't let them give you toradol as that is what tipped me over the edge with NSAIDS; it is a very strong one they injected me with in the er.


Edited by LauraA (07/05/06 10:41 PM)

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