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#913007 - 07/30/09 03:43 PM Methadone withdrawl
sassysayra Offline
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I just wanted to share my experience here about my addiction to methadone/benzos.
Five years ago I started a low dose of methadone for fibro pain. After about a year I was hooked and taking way more than was prescibed. AS I am a healthcare worker and worked in the Dr.s office who prescibed my meds I actually stole a script pad and started writing dupicate scripts. My doc would write the legit one and I would copy it and take it to another pharmacy. I figured that the chances were only one pharmacy would call and verify and that I wouldn't get caught.
Eventually I lost everything...I lost my job because I was falling asleep at work, my apartment, I slept over 16 hours per day and generally lost touch with all my friends and relatives. I vowed that when I finally got caught I would go to rehab, and of course I eventually did get caught. Thankfully they did not prosecute, but since I had medicaid I could not get an inpatient detox/treatment.
I went cold turkey off a 100mg per day methadone habit along with 40mgs of valium. I can't describe the hell I went thru. No ER would treat me, and no treatment center would take me. They said that cold turkey off that much methadone was impossible and that it would kill me.
well, It didn't kill me but at the time I wished it would have. I didn't sleep for 10 days, didn't eat for 15 and lost 30lbs in 2 weeks. I finally got into the county detox center where it was like jail...homeless drunks, crackheads, etc. I got assaulted by a woman demanding sexual favors...it was hell and I received practically no medical care. I had seizures, my BP was running into stroke level...I was sick literally for 3 months straight. I had diarhhea for 9 months.
But I got thru it. I survived and have been methadone free for 2yrs. I still feel like [censored] most days and still have cravings.
Ok, thats it. I just wanted to share my experience and wanted to see if anyone else has gone thru something similar.

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#913015 - 07/30/09 04:13 PM Re: Methadone withdrawl [Re: sassysayra]
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Posting your story should be therapeutic hopefully.

I also hope you continue to do better and better, it sounds like you're on the right track now.

I wish you all the best :-)
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#913020 - 07/30/09 04:26 PM Re: Methadone withdrawal [Re: sassysayra]
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Originally Posted By: sassysayra

I went cold turkey off a 100mg per day methadone habit along with 40mgs of valium. I can't describe the hell I went thru. No ER would treat me, and no treatment center would take me. They said that cold turkey off that much methadone was impossible and that it would kill me.


So they turned you away to die, basically? Wouldn't they have been in some sort of trouble if you had died?

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#913024 - 07/30/09 04:34 PM Re: Methadone withdrawal [Re: nephro]
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I was thinking the same thing nephro.

sassysayra, say it ain't so! Thanks for sharing and I only wish you the best...Ballerina

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#913030 - 07/30/09 04:44 PM Re: Methadone withdrawal [Re: nephro]
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I don't really know. The ER docs basically told me that going off that much methadone couldn't be done...and assumed I would get my fix somewhere. Since I never bought them off the street or anything, I couldn't have. And I damn sure wasn't going to risk going to jail forging another script...I was lucky I didn't get arrested.
But yes, with medicaid you can't go to an inpatient detox although outpatient is paid for 30days. I admit I didn't go to any AA or NA meetings. All that depressing talk and reminicing about drugs only made me want them more. The thing that kept me sober was the thought of going thru that hell again.
It is deplorable the way the healthcare system treats people with addictions. I am a healthcare worker and see first hand what is said about addicts.
Yes, I think I almost died going off that junk. Losing 30lbs in 2 weeks and no sleep for 10 days is hard on the body. I think I permanently messed up my system going off drugs. I have to admit I have felt like [censored] every day since going off them. I guess I just took it too far. I still have fibro pain but am scared to take anything stronger than Ultram.

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#913039 - 07/30/09 05:03 PM Re: Methadone withdrawal [Re: sassysayra]
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The frightening thing is that sudden cessation of massive doses of opioids CAN kill, though it's rare. But the combination of that and the benzodiazepine is exponentially more frightening.

Maybe you should report whoever turned you away from what was, essentially, a life-threatening condition.

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#913043 - 07/30/09 05:09 PM Re: Methadone withdrawal [Re: sassysayra]
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I'm very proud of you to hear you were able to stay off of opioids for 2 years but I believe you should be very careful with starting Tramadol given your history. You could find yourself right back in the same mess. Please do some research on how opiate receptors actually have a "memory."
Also, did you consider using the services of a methadone clinic to taper from the 100mg dose? While it is by no means a pleasurable experience, it would probably have been a better choice than cold turkey from that dose.
You likely escaped another potential problem (apart from the felony script forgeries) abruptly stopping Valium even at 40mg/day. You are a lucky lady who will hopefully respect the price you've paid to get where you are. Protect your sobriety above all else.

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#913130 - 07/31/09 12:36 AM Re: Methadone withdrawal [Re: martind]
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yes I considered a methadone clinic, but did not want to have to taper for the year+ they told me it would take. Stupid, if I had known what hell I was going to face I would have done it. I didn't want to be tied down to going to pick up my daily methadone dose either. With a healthcare job its kind of impossible to stick to the clinics stringent schedule. And yes, I would love to advocate for prescription drug addicts who are denied treatment. A 30 day outpatient treatment program is great, but with that level of dependance we really need inpatient medical detox. Unfortunetly unless you have good insurance, its next to impossible unless you can fork over 10grand for rapid detox.
I have to say Im rather proud of the fact that the medical "experts" said going cold turkey off methadone couldn't be done....But I DID IT! I feel if I can do that, I can do anything.
and yes, I am very careful about narcotics now. It takes a maximum effort of self control to only take what was prescribed. I've had 4 bouts of kidney stones, and pneumonia with pleurisy and was prescribed narcotics for each occasion. Im proud to say I took them only when necessary and didn't try to refill to just get high.
But yes, it is shameful the way the medical profession treats addicts who want to get help. The general attitude is "TS...they got themselves addicted..let them suffer thru it." A shame, and perhaps thats why so many ex-addicts become drug counselors themselves.

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#914619 - 08/04/09 01:23 PM Re: Methadone withdrawal [Re: sassysayra]
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I may have missed it or you didn't say, but how long ago did this happen. When would you say would have been day one of getting clean and sober.


Congrats on your recovery and good work!!!
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#915420 - 08/06/09 04:21 PM Re: Methadone withdrawal [Re: BoogieWoogie]
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Has anyone tried Kratom to help with the withdrawl?

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#917316 - 08/12/09 09:17 AM Re: Methadone withdrawal [Re: wholf1313]
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Yes I've been using the Kratom with great success.

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#924006 - 08/31/09 10:36 AM Re: Methadone withdrawal [Re: sadie9]
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Well, what did you in was using medicade. Why the hell would you use insurance for a prescription that was relatively cheap???

It's medicare/medicade that keeps a heavy eye on things and will report abuses. If you paid cash for them, they just show up at the pharmacy as cash transactions. Only certain states have prescription monitoring programs and even with them, you have to have a reason to look at the data. The data itself can't start an investigation. If it shows you go to 20 different docs, nothing will happen unless something else starts an investigation and then they can go and look at your info.

Found it really weird you used an insurance plan to pay for such a cheap drug. Now if it were oxycontin that is a different story. That can easily run over $1k for one month.

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#924175 - 08/31/09 06:56 PM Re: Methadone withdrawal [Re: RonAllen]
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She stole a script pad from her employer and forged prescriptions and you think the mistake she made was using "medicade"?
That's really helpful critical advice. I guess next time she forges prescriptions, according to you, she needs to pay cash then?
DrFriday's helpful hints on prescription drug abuse never cease to amaze.

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#924274 - 09/01/09 12:36 AM Re: Methadone withdrawl [Re: sassysayra]
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Originally Posted By: sassysayra
I just wanted to share my experience here about my addiction to methadone/benzos.
Five years ago I started a low dose of methadone for fibro pain. After about a year I was hooked and taking way more than was prescibed. AS I am a healthcare worker and worked in the Dr.s office who prescibed my meds I actually stole a script pad and started writing dupicate scripts. My doc would write the legit one and I would copy it and take it to another pharmacy. I figured that the chances were only one pharmacy would call and verify and that I wouldn't get caught.
Eventually I lost everything...I lost my job because I was falling asleep at work, my apartment, I slept over 16 hours per day and generally lost touch with all my friends and relatives. I vowed that when I finally got caught I would go to rehab, and of course I eventually did get caught. Thankfully they did not prosecute, but since I had medicaid I could not get an inpatient detox/treatment.
I went cold turkey off a 100mg per day methadone habit along with 40mgs of valium. I can't describe the hell I went thru. No ER would treat me, and no treatment center would take me. They said that cold turkey off that much methadone was impossible and that it would kill me.
well, It didn't kill me but at the time I wished it would have. I didn't sleep for 10 days, didn't eat for 15 and lost 30lbs in 2 weeks. I finally got into the county detox center where it was like jail...homeless drunks, crackheads, etc. I got assaulted by a woman demanding sexual favors...it was hell and I received practically no medical care. I had seizures, my BP was running into stroke level...I was sick literally for 3 months straight. I had diarhhea for 9 months.
But I got thru it. I survived and have been methadone free for 2yrs. I still feel like [censored] most days and still have cravings.
Ok, thats it. I just wanted to share my experience and wanted to see if anyone else has gone thru something similar.


Methadone clinics around me 100mg a day is pretty much what everyone is on free on charge.
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#924315 - 09/01/09 02:28 AM Re: Methadone withdrawl [Re: Repteur]
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Congratulations! It's incredible you survived the WD. It might do you good to advocate fo rprescription drug abusers, it seems you've taken the first step by posting your story here.

I am curious, have you had trouble finding employment since it was discovered that you were forging scripts? It sounds like you are still in the medical field, so I hope you were able to find something. I always wondered if something like that followed you through your career on your "permanent record" like in school.

Good luck in the future!
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#924319 - 09/01/09 03:40 AM Re: Methadone withdrawl [Re: C_Dub]
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Thank you for sharing your story. Very powerful. I just began going to a methadone clinic 3 weeks ago after my 3rd F2F doc in 5 months quit. I knew nothing of methadone clinics or methadone for that matter, especially for a vicodin habit! I can't say I'm thrilled with it, especially what I hear about withdrawals, but it does help the pain and my stress level about not knowing where my next script was coming from is way down. Thats a pleasure in itself.
I gotta say though, I don;t think you fully appreciate that you by all rights could be doing hard time right now! That was a serious felony you escaped! I have a prescription here that is out of date, and now that I'm not being prescribed any hydro I wish I could change the date on it...but I wouldn't DARE!!!! That would be nothing compared to what you did, Not being mean, just want you to realize you are one lucky gal. God bless you, Stay clean : )

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#924323 - 09/01/09 05:35 AM Re: Methadone withdrawl [Re: sassysayra]
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Originally Posted By: sassysayra
I just wanted to share my experience here about my addiction to methadone/benzos.
Five years ago I started a low dose of methadone for fibro pain. After about a year I was hooked and taking way more than was prescibed. AS I am a healthcare worker and worked in the Dr.s office who prescibed my meds I actually stole a script pad and started writing dupicate scripts. My doc would write the legit one and I would copy it and take it to another pharmacy. I figured that the chances were only one pharmacy would call and verify and that I wouldn't get caught.
Eventually I lost everything...I lost my job because I was falling asleep at work, my apartment, I slept over 16 hours per day and generally lost touch with all my friends and relatives. I vowed that when I finally got caught I would go to rehab, and of course I eventually did get caught. Thankfully they did not prosecute, but since I had medicaid I could not get an inpatient detox/treatment.
I went cold turkey off a 100mg per day methadone habit along with 40mgs of valium. I can't describe the hell I went thru. No ER would treat me, and no treatment center would take me. They said that cold turkey off that much methadone was impossible and that it would kill me.
well, It didn't kill me but at the time I wished it would have. I didn't sleep for 10 days, didn't eat for 15 and lost 30lbs in 2 weeks. I finally got into the county detox center where it was like jail...homeless drunks, crackheads, etc. I got assaulted by a woman demanding sexual favors...it was hell and I received practically no medical care. I had seizures, my BP was running into stroke level...I was sick literally for 3 months straight. I had diarhhea for 9 months.
But I got thru it. I survived and have been methadone free for 2yrs. I still feel like [censored] most days and still have cravings.
Ok, thats it. I just wanted to share my experience and wanted to see if anyone else has gone thru something similar.


Holy poop! I know exactly where you're coming from. When I finally got off heroin I got to do my w/d in jail (they claimed they thought I'd have run from a detox center). I got to sit--sweating and shaking and shitting myself; in a cell with 17 other people. The only two instances of "care" I got were extra clean undies (but only when I [censored]] myself) and salt in a cup (for when I got in a fist fight and had to shove a tooth I lost back into its socket--still got the tooth tho...). It was one of the most horrifying experiences of my life; but honestly--I was such a stubborn die hard that I'd have never gotten clean without being locked away from dope for those weeks it took me to get over the w/d and the months it took to get over the addiction. I know that right now you've got the equivalent of ptsd---but there is a bright side; nothing you experience in the rest of your life will be as bad as what you've already been through. You survived an experience that would straight up kill most people. In the future you will derive much personal strength from this knowledge, and you'll become a better person as a result. But for now--just do your best to pick up the pieces of your life---that will be a monumental task in and of itself---and will probably take a like time to how long you used(abused). I'm glad to hear your doing better---take pride in it: you put your head in the lions mouth and pulled it back out after he bit--and survived...
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#924325 - 09/01/09 05:43 AM Re: Methadone withdrawal [Re: martind]
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Originally Posted By: martind
I'm very proud of you to hear you were able to stay off of opioids for 2 years but I believe you should be very careful with starting Tramadol given your history. You could find yourself right back in the same mess. Please do some research on how opiate receptors actually have a "memory."
Also, did you consider using the services of a methadone clinic to taper from the 100mg dose? While it is by no means a pleasurable experience, it would probably have been a better choice than cold turkey from that dose.
You likely escaped another potential problem (apart from the felony script forgeries) abruptly stopping Valium even at 40mg/day. You are a lucky lady who will hopefully respect the price you've paid to get where you are. Protect your sobriety above all else.


I got my Tramadol prescribed at a non-narcotic clinic. It's technically a synthetic narcotic---but its not even as potent as darvon (propoxyphene)---if you gotta dip back into the realm of pain medicine--it might not be such a bad option (as long as you work closely with your doctor)
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#924327 - 09/01/09 05:48 AM Re: Methadone withdrawal [Re: mouse23]
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Whoa--I somehow missed the fact that you're a woman! You went through what I went through and survived? You got some inner steel girl--I'm impressed. (I'm not meaning to underestimate women--its just that I'm tough as nails, 6', over 200 pounds; and I just barely made it)kudos to you
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#924329 - 09/01/09 06:01 AM Re: Methadone withdrawal [Re: nephro]
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Originally Posted By: nephro
Originally Posted By: sassysayra

I went cold turkey off a 100mg per day methadone habit along with 40mgs of valium. I can't describe the hell I went thru. No ER would treat me, and no treatment center would take me. They said that cold turkey off that much methadone was impossible and that it would kill me.


So they turned you away to die, basically? Wouldn't they have been in some sort of trouble if you had died?


it isn't until you hear EMTs complaining about having to pick up ANOTHER dead junkie that you fully realize the addicts place in this world. The worst that would have happened is that her family would have had the option to sue for wrongful death. Nobody cares when an addict dies--except another addict(and thats mostly fear that it could happen to them)

I don't mean to sound callous---I'm actually an optimist; I also unfortunately have that other quality that doesn't go so well with optimism: I'm a realist...

I've been in the room while a friend was hauled away in a body bag--and the cops and EMTs had zero respect. Its enough to make ya cry.


Edited by mouse23 (09/01/09 06:02 AM)
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#924614 - 09/01/09 11:05 PM Re: Methadone withdrawal [Re: mouse23]
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Good job girl. My experience wasnt nearly as dramatic or hardcore as yours, but still i know what you mean. Being denied medical care when youre seriously in need, is traumatizing. People in this world can be so cold. Keep strong you may not feel it now but time will heal your wounds.

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#935391 - 09/26/09 03:38 PM Re: Methadone withdrawal [Re: imagenetic2935]
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I know exactly what you are talking about-with most health care "professionals" an addict isn't [censored]]. I was in car accident once, the woman hit the back of my car so hard it threw my up onto the curb and almost into a house (I saw her coming in my mirror and couldn't go anywhere so I just kept on my brake as hard as I could thinking it would lessen the impact) The ambulace came a took me ot the hosptial becuase the pain in my upper back felt like something had snapped right in half. The ER doc took his time coming in and had apparently looked into my medical records before he came in and saw that once upon a time (I think then it was something like 8 or 9 years before) I had a drug addiction. He treated me like I was a piece of [censored]], didn't say a word when he came in-just gave me a dirty look-poked my back (no test, no questions asked-nothing) said there was nothing wrong with me-that it was 'probably' sprained (a back sprain??) and said he would give me something and walked out-the nurse came back with a script for 10 tabs of a mild pain killer-I guess he thought I was able to stage this elaborate accident to work him for some dope or something-I torn the script up and went home to bed. This is only one very mild example of some of the situations I have been in with medical personel being nasty even to the point of being cruel.

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#935433 - 09/26/09 05:00 PM Re: Methadone withdrawal [Re: Movnonj]
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If someone's going to hit you from behind, applying the brakes will worsen the impact.

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#935755 - 09/27/09 05:30 PM Re: Methadone withdrawal [Re: wholf1313]
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Originally Posted By: wholf1313
Has anyone tried kratom to help with the withdrawl?


Yes. Kratom WILL help with Methadone W/D or other opiates.

I know from firsthand experience, I used Kratom to come off oxycodone (OxyContin).


You MUST do your research though, because even though I did, I still took Kratom too much for too long and had to go to a doctor to get through Kratom W/Ds.

Be careful - an opiate is an opiate is an opiate. Kratom is an opioid, and can be physically addictive as well.

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#935774 - 09/27/09 07:03 PM Re: Methadone withdrawal [Re: supermarket]
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What did the doctor do?

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#945725 - 10/18/09 12:56 PM Re: Methadone withdrawal [Re: nephro]
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Kratom IS NOT AN OPIATE, IT JUST SWITCHES OFF THE MU RECEPTORS IN THE BRAIN, making your brain think your on opiates. (sorry 4 caps), but as has been said by supermarket,Kratom IS ADDICTIVE AND CAN CAUSE SOME ODD SIDE EFFECTS LIKE GIVING YOU BLACK SKIN AROUND THE CHEEKS (sorry again ) I must get a new key board.

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#945776 - 10/18/09 03:16 PM Re: Methadone withdrawal [Re: vallium]
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Originally Posted By: vallium
kratom IS NOT AN OPIATE, IT JUST SWITCHES OFF THE MU RECEPTORS IN THE BRAIN, making your brain think your on opiates. (sorry 4 caps), but as has been said by supermarket,KRATOM IS ADDICTIVE AND CAN CAUSE SOME ODD SIDE EFFECTS LIKE GIVING YOU BLACK SKIN AROUND THE CHEEKS (sorry again ) I must get a new key board.


Switches off the mu receptors? I would have thought that Kratom would activate them.

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#945796 - 10/18/09 03:38 PM Re: Methadone withdrawal [Re: vallium]
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Originally Posted By: vallium
kratom IS NOT AN OPIATE, IT JUST SWITCHES OFF THE MU RECEPTORS IN THE BRAIN, making your brain think your on opiates. (sorry 4 caps), but as has been said by supermarket,KRATOM IS ADDICTIVE AND CAN CAUSE SOME ODD SIDE EFFECTS LIKE GIVING YOU BLACK SKIN AROUND THE CHEEKS (sorry again ) I must get a new key board.


The side effects such as skin discoloration come from prolonged, heavy use. Using Kratom in small doses to allievate the discomfort when coming off opiate addiction has been very useful I've found; of course it can be abused, just as with Tramadol, suboxone, etc., one must make sure that you aren't substituting one crutch for another. I have found that using just enough Kratom to make me feel comfortable, didn't lead to a heavy Kratom addiction, and I was finally able to stop using it altogether with little ill effect.
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#945815 - 10/18/09 03:56 PM Re: Methadone withdrawal [Re: Movnonj]
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Originally Posted By: Movnonj
I saw her coming in my mirror and couldn't go anywhere so I just kept on my brake as hard as I could thinking it would lessen the impact)


like what was stated earlier. keeping on your breaks while being rear ended will make the impact more forceful. to lessen it you'd want to put it in neutral, or if there is room in front of you, keep it in drive and push the gas pedal.
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#945973 - 10/18/09 09:52 PM Re: Methadone withdrawal [Re: DeeRock]
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Originally Posted By: DeeRock
Originally Posted By: Movnonj
I saw her coming in my mirror and couldn't go anywhere so I just kept on my brake as hard as I could thinking it would lessen the impact)


like what was stated earlier. keeping on your breaks while being rear ended will make the impact more forceful.


And the compensation claim higher. I read about people packing their cars full of people, and deliberately getting rear-ended so they all get compensation. Is there any truth to this?

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