Thanks Stevo,
I was seriously thought hmmmm I wish she Stevo would read this cuz he's always very fair with things.. Yeah I tried calling the place yesterday and no answer I'm gonna try again today, and like you said I might just take a trip up there and see the doc and talk to him. The thing was it was kinda in a scary part of town I didnt fit in.. Thats why I wonder maybe I was to clean cut lookin?? I dunno. Yeah only his last names on the script and I can't find him when I google him Anywhere..

So you can't even find him in the State Database of MD's!

On the Prescription you recived there should be a DEA number, you should be able to search his license. I am guessing this was not his regular office but something he set up. i mean who knows. but on the RX, it has to have his full name, address and phone number, and his license number. you should then be able to do a search. The only reason I can think they do not want the PT speaking to the Doctor is fear the Doctor might give a refill and then F2F group not get their fee. However, on the other hand, once you pay the fee and do the consult and a RX given, depending on the contract, I am not sure what obligations are from the Doctor. Also to Chopper, I really do beleive they are not being upfront. I read on another thread how the doctors can read the charts and know what is going on, but if the doctor quits because everyone wants hydro, then no, he was not in full understanding. now any doctor has the right to prescribe what they feel best, but I am begining to think these doctors are getting in way over their heads, and are getting spooked. can;t say i blame them., i would not be thrilled someone screaming at me for hydro, but then again the PT it seems is being lead one way and the Doctor another. I think for some these services can work but be really careful and investigate. I have read responses from reps, and one group seems a lot of people like but me their response, I would be like stick kwim. In no way am I bashing the services, just looking at both sides, from what I am reading but all just my opinion.

Before I went to my F2F I googled the Dr. and nothing came up. Good sign believe it or not. So I still needed confirmation this Dr. was not in any kind of trouble.
I had to go to the state MD data base to find him which I did without a problem.
The Dr. I used has a license in two states so I checked both.
K

Well on the script bottle theres no DEA name, but I did finally find his first name in an email so when I get back into the office I'm gonna try to search again.

I kinda understand these doctors getting spooked, but I also think that the doctors should be able to gather between records and meeting the patient how they act ect and be able to prescribe from that... I've been thinkin about it and maybe I was to clean cut looking and he thought I was an agent or something I did kinda stick out in this office I don't wanna say it was in a bad part of town but I was out of place being in this part of the city... I don't mean that with any disrespect but when I came in the door believe me heads turned like why are you at this clinic... I just wanted to say damn it I wanna be able to just live a damn normal life and take my 4 a day. For God sakes I don't even drink!!! LOL! I am seriously picture a farm kid hickboy, clean cut, Minus the farmers build I'm kinda small LOL! but I just have a very very bad back!!
Am I rambling?? Ok I'll stop!

Here's the thing...These are F2F services, spawned by OCS's industry law changes. THESE Drs should know what they are siging up for, THEY SHOULD review ALL records prior to seeing the patient.

THEY CANNOT EXPECT to charge $285.00 plus the cost of the Rx to be scripted 30 pills, no refills and some patchs, which mind you the patches themeselves are EXPENSIVE.

I understand FULLY that one cannot go into a local Dr office and Demand anything...Otherwise none of us would have been in here in the first place...BUT considering the situation and $$ there is an EXPECTED level of service...You don't walk into Burger King, Order a chicken sandwhich, PAY FULL PRICE And walk out with a third of one and NOT BE PISSSSSSED!! There is an EXPECTED level of service.

This FAULT lies STRICTLY on the shoulders of ECLINC and If they are NOT being up front with the Drs and they are NOT reviewing records, well then that is their bad...and HEY if Burger King Gives me 1/3 of a Chicken Sandwhich you can be you A$$ I am only paying for 1/3 AND I AM YELLING AT THE MANGER That I was not served the WHOLE thing in the First place.

So Hickboy, you ride these people at Eclinc until your bow legged. I am soo sick of this INDUSTRY taking advantage of us pain patients...It gets worse and worse and NO ONE deserves to be treated this way.

And yes, if it was a REGULAR Dr appt, set up the normal way...you guys could knock yourselves out defending the Dr...But THIS IS NOT THE SAME THING!!

Luv ya hickboy, keep that chin up your doing the right thing!!

I really think we will start to see these F2F referal services droping off the map due to patients jumping ship and seeing the Doctor direct. Hickboy I hope everything works out for you please keep us updated.

I will thanks Watcher and chopper yeah I'm working on the local deal so hopefully soon I'll find something. I'll keep you posted...

Doctors cannot consistently prescribe higher levels of pain medications for numerous patients without undergoing increased scrutiny. A doctor who prescribes 90 hydro to every patient is doing himself a disservice. He should mix up the medications, the quantity, and demand that the patient have great records. Although the money we pay seems like a lot to us, it is nothing to them considering their license can be revoked.

Surely not all patients NEED to have Hydro, some could use Tylenol #3, or Darvocet, or switch the dose of Hydro. They could also alternate prescriptions....That would be the smart way to do it.

Yeah, but then the person who ended up with Darvocet would be back on this board complaining....
Face it, we want our hydro because it works. And the reason we go to the services and pay our money is because we are expecting to get a doctor who will give us what works.

Also, a price of $285 isn't really all that expensive - I have no insurance, and when I broke my foot, I paid $280 at a clinic to see a doctor, get an xray, and a pair of crutches. Oh. And I was told to take Motrin. ha.

I do agree that not everyone needs hydro, but I just wish we were all friends sitting around drinking coffee so I could pull my records out and show all of you and be like see what do you think??
But I figured these places would be set up like pain centers, the only difference is that we go in only once a year.. Shi$ do a pee test on me once a year be more like a pain center, I just liked this methoid because it's convienent with not having to go see the doc every 3 months.

BTW: You know what I love about this forum is that everyone looks at everything differently, and I am one of the most opened minded people you'd ever wanna meet I always seem to find something positive in what people say. Anyway thanks for the posts..
Anyother ideas???
And by the way I thought these companies were suppose to be juse continuing treatment, like I said just like a pain center without all the hoops it just costs more.

Gurrrr I'm so frustrated!!
So I found the number of the clinic I went to, called it, asked for the doctor and she said who?? and I said it again and said yes I met with him last saturday and she said um no we don't have a doctor here by that name WTF! I was excited I thought well I'll talk to the nurse and explain.. But he's the ghost Doctor??

So I still can't find this doctors name even when I google

Just to let you know I AM NOT one of those people that would keep calling the clinic or keep annoying the referal service, but still I can't get any answers on if I can talk to the doc...

is there a search engine better then google to find these docs.
Like I said all I have are his name no D. number or anything.

Hickboy - that is completely weird. And scary. One must wonder - just WHO did you see???

Sweetie, I hope you can get to the bottom of this. EClinic must be the key who unlocks to door. They have an innate responsibility to do so.

As far as having to prove your need - noone needs to do that to anyone on this board. The truth is, unless someone KNOWS you, no judgement can be made. Even then - I mean I look pretty good, but I am definitely NOT. So (advice alert) don't bother explaining to people in cyber space. I personally believe in taking people at face value until they prove otherwise.

I really hope you can get answers cause you deserve that (at the very least.)

This whole thing sounds really weird.Have you contacted eclinic again?

If the Dr. hasn't had any issue he or she will not come up on google. Just try this link http://www.dleg.state.mi.us/verify.htm . You have to pick what kind of license you are looking for in Michigan. This case would be MD.
Steve mentioned looking at a link like this and so had I the other day since happily google (The Dr. didn't have a criminal record or giant lawsuits against him) didn't bring your Dr. up. I took the time to find it for you using Google. This link will most likely not provide a phone number only that he's a licensed Dr. in that state and his history.
I've read this whole thread. Why at the time he gave you the script did you not speak up? That was the time to do something about this problem or wait until your teleconference. This feels like buyers remorse.
During my F2F I spoke up when 60 was offered and got another 30. You have clearly stated here you want your 4 a day. That most likely will not happen. If you got 60-90 a month that is the most the Dr.s will give.
If you got 90 and are trying/demanding another 30 I bet you they land up dropping you from their program. If you do all the things you say your going to do you are going to land up with 0 and no recourse since you most likely signed a statement you agreed to pay for a service which they provided, and they did provide you with this service.
Yes the OCS gave more, I agree.
K

The key is with eclinic, and it is very odd they are not responding to you. I am seriouse though instead of emailing them call them. Also one of two things with the nurse, either the Doctor used the space, and say is friends with the Doctor who owns the space, or the nurse lied. Did you tell her who you were before she said no or did she say no up front. That I agree is very odd. Also the description of the the RX pad sounds even odder. I have a question for you but if you want you can PM me, would rather ask there. If not I understand. Anyway, it is very odd. The only problem with the charge back and I doubt one could be done because technically the service was rendered, but maybe this doctor got freaked out.I am seriouse these groups the more I read and the more I read from their reps, are so not being upfront with the Doctors. they seem to be telling the docs one thing and the patient another, and I agree with Dharma and have said it before, there license is on the line here, and I cannot place blame with the Doctor but the service it self. I really think they are not being honest totally. Then the Doctor gets in there and realizes what is going on and bales. And I also agree with Tango that it is fine to speak up. sometimes it is the only way. Also what did you say to the Doctor when you got the script. I was curouse what exactly they gave you and you can answer in PM as some of the F2F were selling some cream or some nonsense. anyway, i am not sure what recourse you may have, and all though I do look at all sides, somewhere in the middle it all falls into place. I mean even a Doctor one goes to for years and years is not goign to tolerate a patient demanding pain meds and telling them how many they can have. It is his or her license and that is the bottom line and that is why the taste for these groups makes me go yuck and it has been from my own experience asking questions as well as reading responses from some of them and w ith each group some love some hate them. But the one thing is you do have the right to speak up but always do it right away. I was going to use one because at the time, we had no insurance and I could not swing going to the ortho, but at this time I am going to suck it up and wait. I do understand on both sides from being a consumer but also working in health care and the demands placed on the providers as well as the PT's

To add one more point. The Dr. or service most likely rented the office for the day the regular staff and Dr. was off. This I'm seeing seems common so the office girl or nurse would not know of the Dr. you were calling about.
K

Well first off, and I appolize for being a horrible writer and not making sense all the time.. I wish we were all on conference call because I'm such a horrible writer and it embaresses me because I write like I talk LOL!.

Eclinic emailed me back today and said they did not feel comfortable with giving me the doctors number because all they have is his Cell phone number.. But they said I could email him and gave me a yahoo email address. Now who's to say this email isn't going right to them and there just gonna respond and it won't be the doc??

I agree I should of spoke up at the appointment and I kinda did he started writing the script out for IBprf. and I said doctor I've got plenty of that and I use that for in between pain. I didn't wanna beg or ask for more because I didn't wanna sound like a druggie or something, so I agree it was kinda my fault there, but he did say when he looked at what I was previously taking and said OHHHH you take way to many it was a script for 120, I've always filled it at my local pharmacy, never anywhere else, and I've always been good, the thing is that when I was doing OCS direct script which worked out really well. The pharmacy knew me by name were always friendly ect ect ect. I even told the pharmacy before hand that I was going to see another doctor and he was my new doctor....

So what do I do now do I email him and hope it's really him that's emailing me back or what??
Like I said I haven't sent them a ton of emails I've been very friendly and I just wanna try to resolve this someway somehow..

I'm so glad that this forum is here I just want everyone to know I appretiate all your imput I'm very open minded and taking a little something from everyones advice.....

I think you are taking a chance asking for more in an email. If you feel strongly enough about this than yes. Why I say yes is that you can confirm with him in your Teleconference that you corresponded by email. I think it's illegal to pretend to be a Dr. (okay we all know the OCS did this at times) so if the Dr. says he never got one from you than you would have recourse with the service.
I'm assuming now he gave you 60 since he said 120 was to much.
Mention you are having a lot of break through pain and you're taking your Advil as promised but you're not sleeping well. I don't know, maybe that will help.
I remember being very annoyed when I was told 60 in the office along with an anti inflammatory med (which turned out to really helpful by the way ). I asked for more quickly and was told okay, but this was his limit. At least I knew where I stood from there. If I had driven all that way, stayed the night and got 60 which isn't much I would have been PO'ed but at the same time I would have known my only other option would be to find another service in time.
Good Luck.
K

K, I went on this website: http://online.drl.wi.gov/LicenseLookup/IndividualCredentialSearch.aspx

Only one name came up and he's in Michigan, and the first name is longer then the name I got.. So I'm so flustered, I dunno what to do now..
I do see that there Indiana doc has a license in Wisconsin, do you think he would come up here for maybe a week to see Wisconsin patients I might try Indianas license checker???
you'd think he'd have a clinic or someway of getting a hold of him for gosh sakes he's suppose to be my doctor now??

K one more thing then I'll shut up!!
On the script bottle theres a NDC# is that the physicians license #?? otherwise it's not on there...

The doctor I saw via eclinic said that eclinic was very "controling". He wrote me a script for a couple things for six months and for pain he gave me no refills but said I could have the pharmacy call it in when needed and that I did not need to come but once every six months.

If you can reach your doctor by all means call him. However do not think for a minute eclinic will give it to you. If you go direct they do not make money and after all they are in the money making business. You pay for your doctors service and as a medical professional he should work with you to find the best solution for your pain.

You are searching for an 'MD' license? Could he be a 'DO'?

Just a thought.

Hickboy - you don't need to "shut up". You are trying to get answers. That is what this board is for - info.

Can you call the pharmacy? Surely they have info on the doc. I believe it is required. Full name, DEA license (which you might not get), address, etc.

If you are like me, you think of all the wonderful, intelligent things to say AFTER you leave. There is a certain anxiety seeing a doc - especially a new one. Geez, I still feel that after more than a decade with my doc. BUT, I could always get my questions answered by calling his office. What I hate about your situation is you cannot contact this doc. Unacceptable.

Please keep us posted on your progress (or lack thereof). It is helpful.

You never know who you are really talking to on these boards. Discretion is the better part of valor? Agreed?

I sound like a quote book, but it is so true.

Hick- try ratemds.com to get the contact info.

Dharma, did I say something wrong?

I'm a little lost now.

Also I think the NDC# on the script is the FDA tracking number for the med you have.

PMW rain your a breath of fresh air your always so nice!!!
I just might do that call the pharmacy and get his number they'd have to have it.. But would that sound wierd or what to them.. it is a chain pharmacy so I could go to another chain and ask them. The pharmacy I go to they know me and are really nice but I just don't wanna raise eyebrows like huhhh?? You don't know your docs name??

anonymous99 thanks for the advice yeah if I can figure out the doctors number I might just do that!! I'll also try Ratemds too!!
Thanks so much everyone I appretiate the help we'll get it taken care of otherwise I guess I'll just have to move on and find another doc.

Dharma or did I say something wrong cuz I worry about saying to much info too. that's why I came here first the last thing I wanna do is screw it up for anyone else who is getting good service from Eclinic.. I'm not one of those people..
Thanks all, have a good sunday I'm gonna try to get some work done outside tommrrow I just keep telling myself MIND OVER MATTER positive attitude positive attitude!!! It all works out in the end!!