I stand by everything I have said.

PHENELZINE [Less suitable for prescribing]

Indications: depressive illness

"Phenelzine is most definitely not the gold standard for anything."

Nope, ....that is what SSRI's are suppose to be for.

Seriously, where do you get your information, .....because it is laughable.

Nardil has long been the Gold Standard for Social Phobia. Just look over at SAS or Psychobabble. Due to it's gaba properties.

Benzo's mixed with stimulants and beta blockers, OR an MAOI's (Both Nardil and Phenelzine, Probably even more so Phenelzine due to it's stimulant properties) work wonders for social anxiety.

.....and before you start going on about the dietary restrictions with foods high in tyramine like you mention EVERYTIME I talk about an MAOI. The dietary restrictions have been renewed and are far more relaxed these days.

Nardil and Other Medicines

Nardil can react with some other medicines including those bought without a prescription. Always tell your doctor, dentist and pharmacist that you are taking Nardil.
Nardil may interact with:

• Cough and cold cures, hay fever medications, asthma inhalant medications, anti-appetite medicines, weight-reducing preparations and ‘pep’ pills.

• Strong pain killers (pethidine and morphine). This could be a serious reaction.

• Tryptophan, amphetamines and medicines of the type known as sympathomimetic amines (adrenaline (epinephrine), fenfluramine, ephedrine, phenylpropanolamine, dopamine and levodopa). Cough medicine containing dextromethorphan. Some of these may be in cold cures and other medicines bought without a prescription.

• Medicines used to treat high blood pressure (particularly guanethidine), diabetes and antimuscarinics used to treat motion sickness, relieve muscle cramps in the gut or bladder or Parkinson’s disease, medicines which make you sleepy (including barbiturates and alcohol) and local anaesthetics including cocaine. The effect of these medicines may be increased by Nardil.

• Amfebutamone (used to help you give up smoking) and 5HT1 agonists (used to treat migraine). These medicines should not be taken at the same time as, or within 14 days of, Nardil.

• Medicines used to treat epilepsy, altretamine (used to treat ovarian cancer), doxapram (used to stimulate breathing in emergency situations), tetrabenazine (used to treat Huntington’s chorea), oxypertine and clozapine (used to treat schizophrenia and other similar illnesses). Check
with your doctor or pharmacist before taking Nardil, if you are taking any of these medicines.

• Antidepressants of the type known as tricyclic antidepressants. These antidepressants and Nardil are not usually given within 14 days of each other. However, sometimes they may be used together if great care is taken and your doctor feels it is appropriate.

• Other antidepressants. Nardil should not be taken for 14 days either before or after taking another Monoamine Oxidase Inhibitor (MAOI), buspirone or dibenzazepine derivative drugs e.g. tricyclic antidepressant agents, perphenazine or carbamazepine. If you have been taking clomipramine or imipramine, 3 weeks should be left before starting Nardil. Nardil should not be used at the same time as Selective Serotonin Re-uptake Inhibitors (SSRI) or Serotonin Noradrenaline Re-uptake Inhibitors (SNRI) e.g. venlafaxine - your doctor or pharmacist can tell you if you are taking these types of drugs.
If you are taking SSRIs, then a sufficient amount of time needs to be left to allow the drug and its by-products to leave the body before you can start taking Nardil. Also, do not start taking an SSRI or SNRI until 14 days after finishing taking Nardil.

Nardil and Food

Nardil interacts with a substance called tyramine which is found in some foods. If you eat a food containing tyramine while you are taking Nardil, or within 14 days of taking Nardil, you may have a very severe rise in blood pressure. This will happen soon after eating the food and you may get a violent headache, pounding heart, stiff neck, flushing, sweating or you may be sick. The severity of the reaction depends on the amount of tyramine you eat and may be mild or may be dangerous, even fatal. If you feel such a reaction happening, tell your doctor at once.

Do not eat: Cheese (cooked or plain), liver, yoghurt, yeast extracts (e.g. Marmite), Oxo, Bovril, Brewer’s yeast, flavoured textured vegetable protein, broad bean pods, protein which has been allowed to age, degrade or ferment (e.g. hung game, pickled herrings or dry sausage such as salami or pepperoni), fermented soya bean extract, excessive amounts of chocolate.

Do not drink: Alcohol, non-alcoholic beer, lager or wine. You may drink a reasonable amount of tea or coffee but not to excess.

MAOI's are gold standard for social phobia. If you think otherwise then you are delusional.

Benzo.org.uk is a bias website, they have a christian fish/cross on the bottom. Thats cool with me, but you have to realize where that puts their's view of controlled substances.

I meant Parnate for it's stimulant properties .....and I don't just use Psychobabble for my information.

.....and you are now on ignore because you're doing my box in.

Chill the fawk out.

A typical response by someone who is too yellow, scared, and not man enough to have his mistakes corrected. Put your hands over your ears and block out the truth. Confuse different drugs and go merrily on your way. Talk loudly at the same time, why don't you?

The only difference putting be on 'ignore' will make is that you will look stupid not being able to follow the thread due to 'missing' posts.

Either that, or you cannot answer my question, which has now been asked five (5) times. What and when did you develop social phobia? Clonazepam gave you your quality of life BACK. Back from what? Or do you just use clonazepam recreationally?

What I do object strongly to is your advice to others that the dietary restrictions for MAOIs have been relaxed. This is nonsense, and please, if anyone is reading, do not take notice of this potentially fatal advice. You want to hurt yourself, then fine, but DO NOT try to hurt others.

Phenelzine is not a gold standard for anything.

It would make more sense, and would be one hell of a lot safer, if the rest of the board put you on ignore.

Nephro it is unnecessary to insult people when you are correct and they are not. Even if you have a wealth of knowledge it makes you seem like a douche. You seem to be talking out of your [censored] when it comes to some of the social anxiety comments as well.

I haven't taken any benzos in a while. but I'd have to say my favorite is either valium or klonopin.

mine is xanax an valium. but i also have ativan.
ativan usually makes me more tired then the other 2

Thats unusual, Ativan is one of the Z drugs that dont have much of an effect on me ,Zopiclone is a diffrent story though, Much stronger IMO.