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#91577 - 05/27/04 01:01 PM
Re: Contugesic - Dihydrocodeine (DHC)
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Banned. Multiple accounts: VapoRum, Deevah
Registered: 04/14/04
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Dihydrocodeine (DF 118) is a medium strength, short-acting opiate that comes in tablet and liquid form. It is a very strong painkiller and is very addictive. A detox on DF118 is similar to methadone but the physical withdrawal symptoms may be less severe and not last quite as long. However, the fact that DF118 feels more like heroin means that it can make the cravings to use heroin worse than if you are detoxing on methadone. Because of this many services won't prescribe it, along with the fact that it can be more psychologically dependency forming than methadone - because it gives more of a rush. The detox will take place over 7 days using DF118 tablets taken every 4 hours (only lasts that long), usually 4 times a day. The first day is normally bearable with the withdrawal getting worse until you peak on the third day, after which the symptoms will gradually die down. Because DF118's are only painkillers, you will normally be given a course of sleeping tablets to last the week of the detox plus an additional week. Because it is addictive in itself, your dose will be reduced gradually as you will need to wean yourself off it slowly to avoid additional discomfort. You will also need to get your heroin use to a low amount before starting, as it is a relatively weak opiate and won't therefore be much help if your habit is too large. A DF118 detox may mean that: The psychological withdrawals and cravings can be worse (because it can feel better to take a short-acting drug) The physical withdrawals may be less severe than with methadone It can cause bad constipation It can increase the hot/cold flushes You can't take it once a day and feel OK all the time You may have times when you are feeling rough and times when your feeling intoxicated You have to cut your opiate use right down before you start as it is a relatively weak opiate If you go for a prescribed detox the first task is to get off all other opiates and only take the prescription drug. Other things that might help are: Taking the medication in a regular pattern, as described by the Doctor. Don't feel tempted to take more to make yourself feel better. Expecting to feel rough and sleep badly for several days Expecting, after a big drop in dose and when you come off, the withdrawals to get worse over the first 3-4 days, to stop getting worse between 4 and 7 days and to have to wait 7-14 days for things to start to feel a little better Expecting poor sleep to go on for months A DF118 detox takes place over seven days with the dose reducing each day, as you wean yourself off this highly addictive medication. Whilst each clinic will follow its own Rules and programme, in my experience the DF118 detox is as follows: Tablets taken every four hours, along with two sleeping tablets each night (Nitrazepam) for the week of detox plus the following week. Day 1 : 4 x 4 times a day Day 2 : 3 x 4 times a day Day 3 : 2 x 4 times a day Day 4 : 1½ x 4 times a day Day 5 : 1 x 4 times a day Day 6 : ½ x 4 times a day Day 7 : ¼ x 4 times a day
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#91591 - 11/01/04 09:03 AM
Re: Contugesic - Dihydrocodeine (DHC)
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Pooh-Bah
Registered: 10/24/04
Posts: 813
Loc: west/midwest
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My doc rxd me dihcd.for my foot issue. It's called (as mentioned b4 in earlier posts-) synalgos dc . But the new combo is Panlor SS or DS (single strength/double strength). Very expensive Brand Name (40.00 w/ ins. copay, + I have good ins) My girlfriend likes it for her monthly issues, I didn't care for it, it has caffeine in it ( don't get me wrong, I love a good espresso) but I agree w/ above. Stronger than codeine, less strong than perc/oxy etc. Similiar to vic. I prefer vic. Remember, everyone is different, every body reacts differently. Please don't throw percs in trash. Somebody here is in pain, and can't get help from the "health system". Not me, --somebody (I'm not suggesting anything-just a general statement.) . Thank you all, be healthy. Be safe.
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#91610 - 06/13/05 01:19 AM
Re: Contugesic - Dihydrocodeine (DHC)
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Journeyman
Registered: 01/22/03
Posts: 49
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This forum is not to discuss suppliers. This thread is to discuss Dihydrocodeine mg and not the compnaies offering it. We have other forums for that.
Thank you for your support.
Edited by Melody (08/08/05 03:51 PM)
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#91612 - 06/13/05 03:59 PM
Re: Contugesic - Dihydrocodeine (DHC)
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Journeyman
Registered: 01/22/03
Posts: 49
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This forum is not to discuss suppliers. This thread is to discuss Dihydrocodeine mg and not the compnaies offering it. We have other forums for that.
Thank you for your support.
Edited by Melody (08/08/05 03:52 PM)
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#91617 - 05/29/06 05:35 AM
Re: Contugesic - Dihydrocodeine (DHC)
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Pooh-Bah
Registered: 01/12/03
Posts: 787
Loc: new england
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I posted this question a few weeks ago and eventually found out for myself. Getting into numbers (mg vs mg) is useless because everyone is different. But as a general rule, DHC is stronger than codiene but weaker than hydro and Percocet. Most dhc comes in the 60mg form. One of these in my opinion is probably about the strenth of 3mg percocet. But that is just my experience and everyone should be careful when dosing something you're not familiar with. Either way you look at it, you have a much stronger drug.
I wantd to mentione this, but then I read this post. DHC , IMO, doesn't fit into the characterisitic conversion scenarios that are popular with other pain pills. Codeine and hydrocodone can be compared mg for mg, but they still won't feel the same (for me). Everyone is different. I was lucky (or unlucky, depending on how you look at it) to have DHC (contugesic 60 mg time released) work really, really well for me. Better than hydro, better than percocet. If the potency was the same, I would gladly take an equivalent number of DHC pills overy hydro........
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#91627 - 12/10/06 01:58 AM
Re: Contugesic - Dihydrocodeine (DHC)
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GRAND Pooh-Bah
Registered: 09/04/06
Posts: 9707
Loc: NOT 40!
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Hey people -Looking for a little help here . I found a site which sells Paracodina-2.40g DHC in 150 ml syrup-is this stuff strong enough to help with pain? For $21.00 is it worth a shot ?
PS PM me if you want the addy
That's very strong; if my maths is correct that's 80mg DHC in a 5mL spoonful.
The other possibility is perhaps it is meant to be taken as drops. There might also be some paracetamol in the syrup too?
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#91629 - 12/10/06 02:10 AM
Re: Contugesic - Dihydrocodeine (DHC)
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GRAND Pooh-Bah
Registered: 09/04/06
Posts: 9707
Loc: NOT 40!
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And another site refers to it more specifically: Paracodina 12 mg/5ml syrup 150 mililiter dihidrocodeína The following information goes to complement and not to replace the knowledge and criterion of its doctor, phamacist or of any other sanitary professional. This information does not replace I prospect and it does not have to be interpreted that the use of the medicine is safe, appropriate or effective for you. Consult to a professional of the health before using this medicine Syrup - spoon Actions: Used medicine to calm the cough (ANTITUSIGENO). http://translate.google.com/translate?hl...%3Doff%26sa%3DNIt was in Googlish though (translated).
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#91634 - 01/14/07 05:27 AM
Re: Contugesic - Dihydrocodeine (DHC)
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Registered: 09/21/03
Posts: 8650
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#683090 - 04/13/08 02:43 AM
Re: Contugesic - Dihydrocodeine (DHC)
[Re: fiora]
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#697103 - 05/12/08 10:00 AM
Re: Contugesic - Dihydrocodeine (DHC)
[Re: nephro]
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Registered: 07/14/07
Posts: 1770
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There is certainly a ceiling with codeine, as the body cannot metabolise more than a certain amount at once. Maybe this is true for DHC? I wouldn't have thought this didn't qualify it as a full agonist, though. Yeah,the codeine ceiling I agree with,DHC seems to be quite different in this respect.I use it occasionally,but I know others that use quite high amounts,and they(and I) continue to achieve analgesia.The word " useful" seems vague. I am more interested in what they mean by " full agonist".Every source I have seen,whether it be written text,or on the internet,only ever refer to it as a full agonist. If anyone has a reference,I would greatly appreciate it.
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#791834 - 10/25/08 09:56 PM
Re: Contugesic - Dihydrocodeine (DHC)
[Re: bikerhoney]
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Registered: 11/29/04
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Pure Dihydrocodeine is offered in the following countries: 1. Austria "Codidol" & "Paracodin" 2. Australia "Paracodin" & Rikodeine" 3. Belgium "Codicontin" & "Paracodine" 4. France "Dicodin" 5. Germany "DHC" & "Paracodin" & "Paracodin N" "Remedacen" 5. Germany (continued) "Tiamon Mono" 6. Hong Kong "DF 118" 7. Ireland "DF 118" & DHC Continus" & "Hydol" & "Paracodin" 8. Israel "DHC Continus" 9. Italy "Paracodina" 10. New Zealand "DHC Continus" 11. Portugal "Didor" & "Paracodina" 12. S. Africa "DF 118" & "Paracodin" 13. Spain "Contugesic" & "Paracodina" & "Tosidin" 14. Switzerland "Codicontin" & "Hydrocodeinon" & "Paracodin" 15. UK "DF 118" & "DHC Continus" Source: The Martindale 33rd Edition (The Complete drug Reference) by Pharmaceutical Press Publications Division of the Royal Pharmaceutical Society of Great Britain 2002* * There is a newer "Martindale" book out 2007 edition, but I do not have immediate ready access to it. The Martindale also publishes the manufacturer of each "brand name" in each respective country, but to save typing time I skipped that info that is in each of the Martindale books.
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#868036 - 03/31/09 06:23 PM
Re: Contugesic - Dihydrocodeine (DHC)
[Re: Ludes_Vet]
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Registered: 11/27/04
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Loc: north of where I was before
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Pure Dihydrocodeine is offered in the following countries: 1. Austria "Codidol" & "Paracodin" 2. Australia "Paracodin" & Rikodeine" 3. Belgium "Codicontin" & "Paracodine" 4. France "Dicodin" 5. Germany "DHC" & "Paracodin" & "Paracodin N" "Remedacen" 5. Germany (continued) "Tiamon Mono" 6. Hong Kong "DF 118" 7. Ireland "DF 118" & DHC Continus" & "Hydol" & "Paracodin" 8. Israel "DHC Continus" 9. Italy "Paracodina" 10. New Zealand "DHC Continus" 11. Portugal "Didor" & "Paracodina" 12. S. Africa "DF 118" & "Paracodin" 13. Spain "Contugesic" & "Paracodina" & "Tosidin" 14. Switzerland "Codicontin" & "Hydrocodeinon" & "Paracodin" 15. UK "DF 118" & "DHC Continus" Source: The Martindale 33rd Edition (The Complete drug Reference) by Pharmaceutical Press Publications Division of the Royal Pharmaceutical Society of Great Britain 2002* * There is a newer "Martindale" book out 2007 edition, but I do not have immediate ready access to it. The Martindale also publishes the manufacturer of each "brand name" in each respective country, but to save typing time I skipped that info that is in each of the Martindale books. Thanks for the list ... too lazy to do my own research.
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#904577 - 07/06/09 02:53 AM
Re: Contugesic - Dihydrocodeine (DHC)
[Re: scruffy80]
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Registered: 11/29/04
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Scruffy80 & bazzal99, I have never seen dihydrocodeine, at least by a "brand manufacturer" in Western Europe or Eastern Europe that was "cheap" from a IOP. The range I am familiar with is from at least $9.00 per caplet by Knoll Pharma (under license for Purdue to mfg the 120 mg DHC Continus (sustained release) a/k/a "Dicodin", to as much as, $18.00 per caplet for "DHC" in US Dollars "half the dose" @ 60 mg. for about $18.00 each. The former IOP www.rxvogue.com appears to be out of business, after nearly a 8 year run. (one vendor that offered the Knoll/Purdue product) www.igloo.com has a 30 mg. DHC on their inventory, @30 tabs for $52.50 (US dollars) I don't know the manufacturer, or if it is a "generic version" or if it is immediate release, or, the sustained release version. This "pure version" of dihydrocodeine (without any other ingredients like Apap) is a Schedule II inside the USA, (not made in USA) except as a C-III with only 16 mg. of dihydrocodeine (DHC Plus, Synalgos-DC, with Paracetamol+caffeine).
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