BTW, in reference to Admin's retort to your earlier post, I'm with you, so that's MORE than one person with the opinion that the 200 post rule is totally flawed.

I'll go one step further and call it arbitrary, ineffective and ultimately damaging to the quality of this board.

Thanks razumahin.

The Admin also requested that I show at least 3 scammers who have more than 200 posts. Even if I could tell just by reading posts who the scammers were, I obviously don't have the time to search through hundreds of thousands of posts. But, its pretty obvious that many of these scammers have been doing this for a very long time and have set up new sites the instant the old ones were shut down or it became obvious when they didn't ship, one right after the other. So its also pretty certain that many of them have been posting for many years and have well over 200 posts.

For myself, virtually every warning that I have heeded and not lost money came from someone with much less than 200 posts. And a couple of times I have been scammed because I trusted the posting of an old timer with over 200 posts.

I think its like trying to hold back the tide, but I do appreciate that the Admin is at least trying to do something even if I don't agree with it.


Admin comments: well... you had time to post and to say there were many to back up your point... I just ask for the links and examples...
You make sense, sometimes you seem to argue just for the sake of it when you seem to agree with me, and we are just trying to prevent scammers and shills from getting a reputation...
You have made a point and as I mentioned before if you repeat it many times it still counts as one. Thank you for sharing your opinion.

Odman, yes, of course "anyone" who has been scammed, post count notwithstanding, can report the scam and should.

Would it be acceptable to post in the Open Discussion area? Maybe throw a PM to admin and ask. That forum is frequented regularly. I would certainly ask. Can't hurt.

Anyone who does not have the 200 requirement and frequents the BI forum is not going to like this. Having said that, I can fully understand the basis for the new rule. Shills and scammers (maybe one and the same?) are highly annoying. Gives legit buyers a false sense of security.

What would you do if this was your site? If you have some ideas, include that in the PM. Admin stated he was open to ideas.

At any rate, you are not far from the 200. Hope it's sunny and warm where you live.

I didn't think there was ever any disagreement or question that "they" are all crooks. That's a fact.
Isn't the issue trying to define exactly what kind of crooks "they" actually are?

PNWRain,

Thanks for your response. This will be my last post on the topic as I have much better things to do with my time and I know that will make the Admin happy. You have some good ideas and I would hope the Admin picked up on them and will consider.

The only point I have ever tried to make is that the number of posts a person makes has very little to do with limiting scams and shills, many of whom (and I'm sorry Admin, I can't give you names or links but you banned some of them recently)have been using this site for a long long time and have more than 200 posts. The concept is like saying if I only believe people who live in Wisconsin, I will always know the truth (and please those of you in Wisconsin, I do not mean to demean you, its the first state that popped into my head). In the 4 years I have "lurked" on the site and the little over one year that I have been signed up, I have been lured into scams by people with over 200 posts and saved by people with just a few posts

As you point out, I'm not that far from 200, but the facts remain the same. And since no matter how many times or ways I try to get the point across, as CLEARLY pointed out, I am only one post. I give up on this topic.

Where I am can be very cold or very hot. Right now its mild and enjoyable. Hope the same for you.

Yes, of course, you have said what you needed to say.

My support of the decision is one: selfish (I do not visit those forums); and two: I trust that admin has a wealth of experience and knows much more than I do.

But, I clearly understand your position and I also understand why you have persisted. You are much like me - I will argue a point that I feel is correct. There is nothing at all wrong with that. Remember that.

But, yes, time is of the essence and there are always other duties. I do hope you shoot a PM to admin. Give it some thought.

Be well, my friend.

Thank you for the kind words and for your understanding. Be well also!

I agree the 200 post count is high and should be lowered just as other post counts for other areas should be lowered. There will be a lot of nonsense posts from people just to get to whatever count is deemed necessary.

Wow, Mookieman, I see you only have 18 posts in nearly 6 years so maybe you are right and there should be a "probationary period" to restrict posts and a lower post count. I think new users should be require to post only in the meeting place, test place etc. for so many posts so that they can introduce themselves and learn about this site.

Actually I have been around longer than that on the VIP side. Since I posted over there I did not have reason to post on this side and to be quite honest I did not post over there much. I don't find it necessary to post about every little thing just to up my post count but according to ADMIN. that is apparently what I should have been doing because I can't come over here and log on with the VIP people who have over 50 posts on both sides. Never mind the fact that I had been a paying "customer" on the VIP side for many years...the fact that I was not chatty enough gets me ousted from being able to get that little ribbon by my name. Yeah, I'm a little bitter about how that whole thing went down but hey...I was/am just a VIP person who is not revelant enough because of my lowly post count.

Mookie....I am trying to Not be Offended by your Comment about posting about every little thing! & I understand your frustration....& Please don't take my Post the wrong way....But you need to look at this from a different perspective. If we all came here for Info and just lurked ...The board would be worthless! The only reason this board is so good is the fact that a large Quantity of it's members are here to help others & share Knowledge/ Experience & Opinion's!....Without that ....there would be no reason for you to Lurk....So jump in and Help others with your Experiences & Knowledge. JMHO
Peace
Stevo

As a new poster, I can say, I am not a scammer, but I can understand aprehension of new people. I pretty much, have been reading and reading and reading. I have learned a lot actually in the short time. And I can certainly understand the 200 rule, I can understand those who may not like it as well. But there has to be some kind of order in the house, and it does seem like there are posters not here for the right reasons. I have a lot to share as far as pain goes and issues I dealt with, but I pick and choose those moments to share, but the Rules do not bother me as a newbie, and I do not take offense to it. I guess because after reading and reading lol, I see why it was done. I will say this, I really have learned a lot, and I thank everyone who posts.

Good point. Another one I have to make is that Ive seen people with well over 200 posts (more like 800-2000) be banned for being a "Shill." I honestly feel that is ridiculous. Why would a person hang around here long enough to make that many posts and then one day because they posted their experience about receiving from a place, they are banned and called a "Shill?"

I myself have posted about receiving from a place that turned shady as soon as I opened my big mouth. And I regret every word I said. I shouldve just kept my mouth shut. But that is the reason this board is here; for people to share their experiences with others so we dont get ripped off.

Anyways, thats just my humble lil opinion.

of course all the people who agree with this new policy have well over 200 posts. what a shock.

I had never heard of DB until I was watching a segment on Good Morning America about how easy it is to obtain drugs online and one of the shots showed a comp screen that was on DB so I decided to check it out lol.
Also, I think the 200 posts tule is a good one.

Stevo- Some of us cant do that though, unless we bombard every single thread until we reach the magical 200. I refuse to do that, I dont have enough time what with real life and all. I just think it blows that some of us cant post on certain topics just because of a low post count. Just because we dont post on every single thing we come across does not make us "shills".

Stevo1 I'm not offended by your post and hope that the comment you made stating that you "were trying not to be offended by mine" was just a statement and you are not actually offended as that was not my intent when I made that post. I merely was stating what my feelings were and are...isn't that great about this country...we are entitled to have an opinion.

Hey something "good" came outta this...I've upped my post count by three even if it was all just fluff and NO, I'm not being sarcastic even though it sounds that way...again I'm just speaking what I'm thinking which is NOT always a good thing

Have a great day Steveo

And "most" of the people complaining seem to have less than 200 :-). Is that a shock too?

We are trying to see beyond post count and self interest and looking for ways to offer reliable info and making it "harder" for crooks and scammers... in that regard this is the best idea we have come up with so far...

What we do when checking the suggestions is we look at member posting history... and we ask ourselves "did his posts help people avoid a scam or not?", "did his posts help others find a reliable source?"

Two examples:
1. We feel the mrdoc you posted about is a scam and feel if you had not posted about them there would have been less attention to that scam and less people being scammed
2. Mookieman has not posted in those forum for 6 years so most likely he will not mis not posting nor will we miss his posts...
We value the suggestions made by the two poster but they are not sufficient to make us consider a change...

I am still trying Not to be Offended!!

Are you saying that Posters with High Post Counts Post on every single Thread they come across?

Hey Mookie ....Not a Problem!

I guess I am just starting to feel like by having a High Post Count....That someway my Posts are Just so I could become a Pooh-Bah .....Or Like I don't have a Life because I Post A lot! Both which are Not true!

I came to this Board to Help Myself and Over time have really come to Enjoy helping Others.....Not to Mention Meeting some Really Great Friends ....Who I will Probably know for the Rest of My Life...!!!

My Point was Basically that without Active Posters the Board would Be Worthless....We can all Lurk ....Which I did for years before I became an Active Member. I guess it's all about Priorities in our lives! DrugBuyers is a Big Priority in Mine!

Peace
Stevo

stevo, pls. don't feel that way. You have helped more people here than you will ever know. Myself included!
Peace to all...

Stevo - please don't feel bad. Your posts are always welcome. I think I speak for many when I say you are an asset to this site.

And, as far as people making "nonsense" posts to get their count up - that will not fly with admin. I can promise you that. Lurkers know this. Oh, and another part of the rule change is: those posts will not be counted - so a non-issue.

People can many kinds of contributions to this site: offering their personal experiences with sites, give warning about others, offering support to other members, etc.

If anyone feels they have nothing to offer a topic - well, OK - but we all have lived different lives and I just bet you have some jewel of wisdom (no sarcasm intended) that would benefit others. Share it.

As Admin has repeatedly stated - this is an info site. And as Stevo stated - what kind of a site would this be if everyone simply read?

So dive in, you'll like what you find. I, for one, welcome as many people to post as possible.

Stay cool, fellow posters and we'll stumble forward. Eh?

Well what member with over 200 posts wouldn't think it is a god idea, when it doesn't affect them?

Mr Carl - you may not like my advice (but I'll give it anyway, lol), but you have options. Get involved.

Read admins post above. The ones complaining are those with under 200 posts. Plus quite a few with under that amount are in support. I believe many get weary of the shills and scammers. I know I do. Anything that can make that more difficult is a good thing IMHO. Have you ever been scammed? Doesn't feel good does it.

At any rate, admin has stated he is open to ideas. Give him a suggestion or two that will help the problem.

I welcome hearing (reading) from you on the trail ahead.

I agree there needs to be some type verification, just didn't think that just because everyone with 200+ posts agrees means that you should as well. You should have your own opinion. I didn't do it to start any trouble, just think you should post your opinion and not go with everyone elses. I'm from the USA though(don't know if you are)where everyone has a right to have there own opinion, no matter what that is.

Before you make any more replies, I have talked to the administrator about this rule and he told me to make my suggestions here. I was just reading through the thread and I was only on page one when I read your comment, and I replied to it. I used to be a member when it was easier to get meds online, lost email address from lack of use and forgot username, so now I look like a newbie. Even with this, I still did not have 200 posts because I just do not post much and I do not want to make a bunch of useless posts(Like even this one) to get my count up.

I wanted to read through the entire post, before I made any suggestions, in case someone else has made the same suggestion already.

I will not post again until I read through the hole thread and that may not be ASAP since it is a long post. I will post a few ideas that I have, when I am done reading the entire post.

Mr Carl - no need to reply to this. I completely get were you are coming from. I applaud you that you have discussed this with admin. I truly hope I did not offend you.

I am in the US - PNW stands for Pacific Northwest (and it rains here alot - although not lately. . . .worry, worry).

Yes, read (and, yes, it's alot reading, so take your time) and maybe come up with a plan. I would welcome that.

It must be frustrating to actually have a higher post count and lose it. That seems to happen frequently. I wish there was a way people could retrieve their previous posts too.

Anyway, sail on Mr Carl and may this often difficult life treat you tenderly.

Ouch!! Since an accident in of 2005, my life has been a living hell!! Just went through a divorce where I was totally screwed. I am on disability and my wife(who makes 6 figures) decided she didn't want to support a disabled person anymore. The reason I(and probably a lot of others)need these medications, is to deal with "difficult" life.

I know you did not know this when you made the comment, so I did not take it personally. It just reminded me(as if is isn't going through my head 24/7/4/12/365) that life's a [censored], and then you get screwed by a bunch of people, then you die. F-in AWESOME!!!! LOL

And this post probably will not count because it is off topic. Sorry!

Okay this is how I look at things and maybe I am just odd lol who knows because I am certainly no a conformist per say, but I do realize with everything in life there comes concessions. I certainly as I said before understand how it might I guess bother someone with the post thing, but on the other hand myself being a newbie just well part of the day. I learn alot from reading. I try to answer posts, that interest me, and eventually it will hit, 200. I guess I look at it this way no rush, take my time, get to know others and let them get to know me. Anyoen can be a scammer, I think is the point be it with one post or 100000 posts. People are people, and at least there has to be I would think some form of hoping to find a safeguard. It is way to easy to be a scammer but also fall victim to scams. People sometimes do things in depserate times, on bot sides, is my thinking and it is absolutely wrong however, there has to be some form of protection and if it means the 200 mark so be it. Like I said I am knew but it really does not phase me. I try to look at both sides and see the reasoning and feelings both sides. I just do not think it is anything personal against anyone. I even do not take it personal when people think all new people are scammers or shills. You have to prove yourself. Is it right, well no, but even in real life at jobs in social circles people have to prove who they are. Anyway just my opinion, lol and we all know what they are like lol we all have one.

I suggested this in my PM. You made a post about a user with multiple user names. Wasn't it the IP address being the same with all of the user names, the way you could tell?

If it can't be done because the crooks and Shills use proxies and anoymizers, then can't you just not allow a new member to even sign up, unless they have a valid IP address? I am no computer wiz so I have no idea what a proxy is, is it an IP address that shows the general internet providers IP address, like when you use cable as your connection?

As a person that looks like a newbie, I do not disagree that some rule needs to be made. I just think that there could be a better way or some exceptions should be made.

I think that if you have been a member for over a year, regardless of post count, then you can be an exception to the rule.

Another suggestion would be to just limit the number of members like some other sites do. Then when these people with multiple ID's cancel their accounts, a new person could sign up, as long as their IP address has not been used before. You could also require more information to sign up like having a newbie answer a medical quesionaire about why he needs to view this board and the condition they have that requires them to have to have these drugs. I think that this would deter a lot of crooks and shills if you made the questionaire long enough. A person that really does need a medication would though.

I do know that it seems real easy to sign up here, when other similar sites have some type of review system that will not let you sign in until all the info you give checks out.

Another way to make an exception would be if you were refered by a long time member or known legitimate member.

I am certain that a lot of people that are under 200 posts are suffering from not being able to post. An example would be if I just wanted to ask if a website I received in an email had been successfully used by another member. I know that it would take some effort on the Administrator and Moderators to review a post before it is posted, but this is also another suggestion, review every post in those few forums that now require 200 posts. If it sounds like a crook or Shill and the person is new, then don't post it. On the other hand, if the person can prove to the Admin. that his post is legit by showing the received package for example or showing a WU receipt that you sent money to and didn't receive anything, then the Admin or Mod can post the intended post after they are convinced that there comments are true.

A rule must be in place to protect the information given here, I have no arguement about that, but just making a number of post requirement is not really the best method IMO. If none of my ideas sound good or they are not possible, then others should post a suggestion instead of just complaining or giving their opinion. They are not going to change anything unless something better comes up.

Hope some of these ideas can be used. If not, I and hopefully others will come up with some more. I could start posting a lot more then I used to, but if I am only doing it to get to 200, then I am certain that all the posts will not be informative or off topic and I do not want to do that. I will just deal with the issue now and hopefully a better idea comes up and hopefully it is sooner then later, because I do believe that a lot of people have good info to share with all of us and a lot of people are getting scammed because they can't ask or others can not post feedback.

Carl - sounds like you have been put thru the ringer. I am so sorry that you not only have to deal with physical injuries, but a divorce on top of that. Divorces can be ugly.

Are your physical injuries improving? Are you stuck with them? Is your divorce, can it be amicable? I apologize if these are too many and too personal questions. Please free to ignore - you are under no obligation to answer.

I send you my best regards and may suffering turn into something better. Yes, I know about hardship - she and I have a close relationship (LOL).

Life can be difficult, yes, but there is also much joy. Be on the look out for it.