I've posted enough on this thread, but at the risk of boring everyone one more time, I think I'll do one more. I think we can all agree that depression and anxiety are diseases that affect people differently.Some experience it mildly and for a long duration,some extremely for a shorter duration,some it's debilitating,some can lead normal/productive lives with it,some can't get out of bed without medication,for some it disturbs sleep,some have committed suicide because of it. My point is as with any other disease, I believe each individual has the right to choose how much "better" they wish to feel and which method they choose should also be up to them. For example, I believe my Mom has had depression and anxiety her whole life but has chosen to live with it the best she can. She's always been anti-drug and a strong believer in "natural" medicine. She also found "joy" at an ealy age in Jesus Christ/christianity and has relied on diet and vitamins to help with her condition. My wife on the other hand, after "discovering" hydro (7.5 norco) prescribed for a neck injury she received after a car accident, dived head first in the opiate pool. She liked the AD properties and the "boost" she gets from them and before she knew it she was taking almost 10/day to satisfy her needs. Knowing what a generous person I am she started asking for my 10mg norcos when she ran out and to this day she has not learned to control her intake. We've been married several years and I know her well enough that she has no self control when it comes to drugs/alcohol. She is a true addict and has many issues from her past that she stiil needs to deal with in order to understand her need to escape from and/or cover up her feelings. She now has started taking xanax because to counteract the amount of hydro she takes and still drinks in combo with it which disturbs me a lot. I wish she'd give up drinking at all, but my preaching tends to fall on deaf ears most of the time. I know the importance of not becoming dependant on drugs/alcohol and force myself to take breaks a week at a time every couple months or so as to not addict myself to hydro. I lost my desire to drimk several years ago to which I credit the hydro because I usually drank to be less depressed, and the hydro seems to take care of that most of the time. I guess I'm kind of in the middle of my mom and my wife when it comes to the way I've chosen to "help" my self. For those of you depreesion/anxiety experts out there as I've stated in previous posts I have tried several other drugs,therapies to help my condition with no success.
Again I think the bottom line is if you're not hurting others or making your condition worse I believe in everyones' right to happiness. As I've stated before if I didn't have chronic pain from degenerative disc disease I would still most likely be seeking out hydrocodone to help with my depression and anxiety. Physical pain is horrible but for those few of you lucky enough to have not experienced chronic depression believe me it can be just as painful. I wish you all happiness and a pain free life.

I don't think Ive ever gone through opiate "withdrawls". At what level must one consume or embibe in opiate consumption to have withdrawl(s) occur? I may take between 3-5, hydro 10/325 in a day, but then take a few days off. Im sure withdrawl thresholds vary from person to person, but is there a general rule of thumb, days of consumption, amounts consumed, etc., to keep in mind when taking an opiate based med? The worst I've felt is maybe a little crabby, or moody, if Ive gone 3-4 days in a row when taking hydros, then stopping. Thanks for your time!

go 2 weeks straight when taking 4 -5 per day, and "a little crabby" will be the least of your problems. Go for a month or 2 at that dose and you will understand suicide. Real opiate withdrawels cause strokes, heart attacks and behavior that you did not know you were capable of. once they start, you will lie, steal and do just about anything to stop it. its like dying in pain, both physical and emotional. depression enters the withdrawel process pretty early on.

see it like this....for EVERY pain free moment or minute of a "high" there will be a day of pure he11 to live thru if you consume long enough to accuire the physical dependence. it does not take that much for it to "get away" from you. Self control is the first thing that you sacrifice. self esteem is next. you end up getting that from the pill. no pills, and depression hits you in the face in a matter of hours.

You have no idea what kind of monster you are flirting with.

if you've taken a few days off without WDs after months of continual use at 30-50mg per day, you're pretty much good to go. WDs kick in within 24 hrs.

i have been at 6 X 10/325 per day for 2 1/2 years. i am tapering off 5mg every 7 days and am now down to 3 X 10/325 per day. the first 30mg was much easier than the last 30mg will be. i have a herniated bulging disc and need them but it's just not worth all the BS with the new law. these A-holes who passed the law have no idea what it's like to live your life in pain. all because some idiot kid OD on something he ordered off the internet. now millions of us have to suffer forever more.

Will you please explain "new law" I'm in the dark about it.

Thanks.

I believe that your wife's experience is the norm for people who think they can self-medicate their depression away with narcotics. For some, it takes much longer to reach her stage but you'll get there eventually.
But then, you will continue to think you are unique until that time.

Ive been dealing with opiates and w/ds for 12 years now that seriously, I barely even get w/d's anymore. I find this to be very odd. Used to be, Id come off of norcos after a few months and have the $hits, cramps, chills, big pupils, etc. Now, (and I definitely dont take nearly as much as I used to) the most i will get in the form of w/d is sneezing. Thats all. I think my body just got used to w/ds so theyre not a huge deal anymore. I wonder if thats a good thing, lol.

Martind, I'm assuming this was directed at my last post,and again I respect your observation but don't totally agree with it. I posted it not just to reveal info about my personal situation, but more importantly to offer an example of how people that suffer from depression and anxiety deal with their affliction. Like I stated there are various "degrees" or types of this disease just like there are "stages" of cancer. Chronic pain sufferers like myself have discovered that the opiates we take to relieve the physical pain often help alleviate depression/anxiety as well. I'm not talking about the depression that is directly caused by the physical pain itself, but ppl like myself who already suffered from it many years before finding opiates.

I also don't feel I'm "unique". I think I stated enough previously that I'm not one of those that has never experienced horrible withdrawls from quitting hydro,etc., after taking them for a long period of time. I experienced the withdrawls the first time I ran out early due to my generosity with my wife and this was after a year or so of daily intake of 30-40mg's of norco. For those who have never experienced withdrawals I hope you never will for as stated and decribed in detail many times on this site, the withdrawls are "very unpleasant" not to mention feeling the awful pain from the physical condition that never went away but was just relieved by opiates. Since that episode I learned the importance of monitoring my intake and taking occasional "breaks" from it.I know for some or even most with chronic pain this is very hard to do but for me it's necessary so as not to become totally dependant on it.It also means saying NO to my wife and if you knew me like she does, you'd know how hard it is for me to say "no", especially to someone I love.

Anyway, to summarize one more time, I believe that we who suffer with chronic pain,whether physical snd/or mental,should have the right to alleviate it by using drugs,alcohol,excercise,religion,sex,gambling,watching tv/movies,music,etc.,or any combination of these. As long as we're not hurting others in the process and willing to suffer any consequences of our actions. This is my belief and I'm stickin to it.

Rocker, I agree, and sometimes people who don't suffer with very painful chronic pain don't always understand (not pointing at you Martin- love ya man!).

I fight this fight within my very family. It's pretty ironic to hear a 20 year old say 'Why don't you just stop taking them and learn to live with the pain?". That's after 15 years of tests, 5 specialists, pain management clinics, shots, epidurals, nerve burning procedures, and many rounds of physical therapy.

People without chronic pain will never understand and we can never make them understand what we go through. And of course we feel better and aren't as depressed when we take medicine! The pain subsides and you feel better- seems pretty cut and dry to me. But nooooo....I have to deal with people telling me to go 2,000 miles away to find other specialists that cost $100,000 to see if they can fix me. Well perhaps those people would like to pay those costs? And since 5 specialists have said I can't be fixed, what's the point? So that 6 specialists say they can't fix me?

Withdrawal sucks too. I've had to go through that. I hope to never have to do that again. There wasn't enough Kratom and Ultram on this earth to help me when the doctors had me on massive amounts of a very heavy duty medicine.

Vicodin couldn't even touch my pain unfortunately, so ROPs couldn't help much even if they stayed around.

I'm with you that as long as I'm not hurting anyone else and I'm simply trying to survive each and every day, whatever I do to help achieve that should be my business. I don't drink, but I tell you, there are times that I wish I did! Don't gamble either (I'd rather spend the money on clothes, purses, shopping, etc. lol) but I'm all for everything else on the list!

One question I have for those reading this thread. Do you have a lot of anxiety? I've found that over the last 6-8 years that my anxiety has steadily risen to the point that I really don't like to leave the house. Does anxiety come with chronic pain, does it come with the use of opiate medicine to help with the pain, or am I just weird and unique? I'm getting older and have grandkids and I've had to give speeches before without too much stage fright. Now I start to feel freaked out after an hour at the mall and all the crowds and pushing and long lines. Is it just me?

Start here: http://www.govtech.com/gt/419355

Me 2 but our "rights" are up for interpretation. In the not too distant future, we may have someone deciding how long we live..

You know.. this is off topic? But I was just thinking.. Trust me it's what I do!

Hyrdo must be very hard to synthesize. That guy "rhoduim" has done it and wrote a review, I can't cite (don't remember).

BUT... With the anount of cash that one could make... Surley, lets say that the average person with a phd in organic chem could not make it?

example, two makers malli and qualitest... I KNOW which is better. Night and day difference. Why?

I remember my Cuz works at Mcdonalds in the 80's, he brought home a bag of chicken nuggets from the Actual freezer... We fried them... Not even close to the same
taste... And they came right out of the freezer at mcdonalds!

Then (correct if wrong) I think it was Hitlers crew that first made hydro. hooked oxygen atom to codenie molecule.
EARLY 1900's.... So can it be that hard?

I can't spell, and my mind thinks all the time about ANY and EVERY thing... can't help it.

Any thoughts?

Lynx, To answer your question yes I do have anxiety,but I've had it most of my life,long before I was first prescribed hydrocodone. I've been diagnosed with GAD (general anxiety disorder),SAD (social anxiety disorder),and dysphoria or mild depression. Since I can remember I've always hated being in or around large crowds and speaking publicly or even privately most of the time. I especially hate malls, and if not for hydrocodone and having a job to go to most days I'd probably stay at home all the time. What's sad is that a lot of people go their entire lives without first being diagnosed with these conditions and secondly taking medication to alleviate it. At the risk of sounding corny, I truly believe our world would be a lot nicer and safer place to live in if more people that suffer from depression/anxiety would do more to help themselves and quit inflicting their own frustration and unhappiness on the rest of us. I'm wishing I had discovered hydro 40 years ago and hadn't put my parents,family,friends,coworkers,through living hell all those years due to my misery and unhappiness.

At the risk of making a bad analogy, I really think the "addiction" arguement against taking opiates like hydrocodone,oxycodone,etc., is kind of like saying those who eat chocolate every day because it makes them happier are evil addicts and destroying their lives. Sure it may cause some to gain weight, have higher blood sugar,or complexion problems, but all in all, a fairly harmless indulgance. IMHO, the same goes for hydrocodone,except for the cost,(it's a little more expensive) and possibly liver damage after a long time of use, although I still haven't seen any hard evidence of this. This is my belief and I'm stickin to it.

Everyone is different - yes, some will go to any length to get the medication they want/need but others just make do. There has been a few times where I was unprepared and ending up in full-blown withdrawal. Was I uncomfortable? Very much so but I did not resort to lying or stealing nor did I contemplate suicide. I just toughed it out like most others do when in the same situation.

I agree with you. And in many ways I am in the same condition as you. Whatever the heck is wrong with me, in many ways, destroied my life long before I took a pill or had a drink. I was only a child.

But when it comes to conditions such as ours you will find little sympathy or understanding.

Now, if you ate so much that they had to cut your house apart to get yer fat azz to the hospital... You would have a free "medical team" and get paid by the discovery chanel.
You would have a team of "sympathizers."

You find hydro and it is more help than anything. AND if anyone felt as we did they would take a bulldozier to the drugstore to get it.... I know....

BUT the simple truth is, "they" dont give a f***. It's not their fault, because they cannot understand. They can SEE the "obeast." But they can't SEE how we feel.

Chocolate is at any store. Hydro requires a little more effort. DIG DOWN DEEP! I DO WHAT I HAVE TOO.. I wish you all the best and hope you can do the same.

Rocker although I disagree with you that hydro should be used to treat depression, I do believe that it is your right to seek whatever it is that makes you happy and able to live a normal life. I don't think you need to even justify yourself. May I ask what you plan to do in April? Are you going to be able to get this from a local doctor? I sure hope so.

RJ

RJ, like many others I don't really have a plan as of yet. And like many of the people that use this site the main reason I have to go the OCS route is due to finding a sympathetic doctor in my area who will prescribe me the amount and strength of hydro that I need to function "normally".

I have tried a pain management clinic but all they wanted to do were injections, which didn't thrill me since I have a fear of needles, and prescribe methadone,ms contin,and fentanyl, all of which I tried with no success. Hopefully, my OCS will have a F2F plan in effect by then with a doctor in my state. Other than that I'm hoping my last 2 refills are good with them, and pray that another teenager doesn't decide to OD on drugs purchased over the internet with his parents' credit card!

What I mean was NOT able to find a...

That's why I don't take them every day. I do have chronic back pain, due to long periods of time spent sitting at my desk & computer, as well as a lingering lower disc injury, but I purposely take "days off" as to keep my tolerance low & prevent withdrawls. I use massage therapy & excercise as preventitive measures as well. There's also this practice known as "discipline" which Im fortunate enough to utilize -due to the fact my pain isn't so bad I "need" meds every day. I appreciate your feedback. I will use discipline & precaution when taking meds and hopefully never suffer from the sceneario(s) you described. I don't believe in the term commonly referred to as "addiction", but instead think of the addiction as a commonly misused, physiological metaphor for "bad habit". Thanks, and be well!

ahhhhhh....I sat in my hot tub with my 9 year old and her friend last night....Just old ebough to act properly and be good company. Besides, the hot tub wasnt too bad on all my aches and pains either (the ones the kids caused)

thanks for the info. in light of this information, I will not try to quit. i will now take vicodin until I die

Does anyone else find that hydro helps increase attention span and ability to concentrate? In smaller doses, of course. I find in the workplace, the mundane & boring tasks become less so with the occassional hydro. Thanks!

This forum is not to discuss suppliers. This thread is to discuss Vicodin(Hydrocodone) for depression and motivation/self-esteem fixer and not how to get it

Thanks for your support

Yes and an increased (clarity) of hearing while listening to music with headphones. Also makes you extremely tolerant to your naggy boss, annoying employees & customer's complaints.
Add those positive things to reducing pain from osteoarthritis and trychodnia (scalp pain from stress) and you have RELIEF that no amount of pyschological therapy can bring including tranquilizers with dibilitating WD's.
All in MHO, may not be yours.
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Deadlines and commitments, what to leave in, what to leave out. (B. Seger)

Wow, IMO, self delusion. No opiate/opiod does those things. It is wishful thinking except - with the patience part since it does tend to take the edge off. It is not a replacement for therapy but good therapists are few and far between and IMO, a lot of actual psychologists are mentally ill.

Thank you. That is a very good and informative thread

I would also like to recommend that all readers visit http://www.opioids.com
"A significant minority of the population only feel truly well on opioids. In effect, they self-medicate, taking responsibility for their own mental health in defiance of medical orthodoxy."
It has a lot of great info for all... even for those that think we are better off without meds...

Obviously any substance that can numb pain and produces euphoria is going to have a significant effect on depression, motivation, and self esteem...


Please keep on posting as usual and do not let me be the one that killed this very interesting thread

This forum is not to discuss suppliers. This thread is to discuss Vicodin(Hydrocodone) for depression and motivation/self-esteem fixer and not how to get it

Thanks for your support

wow JinxDalinx and rocker61 i couldn't agree with you more. i won't go into my story for fear of being judged but would love to get a private message from one or both. i haven't posted before so i can't send one.

I took oxycodone for a few weeks and 10mg per day and to be honest, when I took it I felt so motivated I would clean the house! My husband would tell you that for me to clean the house on successive days is no mean feat. The house looked spic and span AND I was able to do some powerful connective therapy with my autistic son...something that really challenges me in my normal day to day life I really enjoyed and feel I made progress whilst on the meds. Once I had finished the course I did feel quite off as I enjoyed the lack of pain and free feeling whilst on them. I thought about getting more as I still have pain however I do not want to get hooked on opiates or anything as I want to be in command. I have an extremely challenging life situation right now and I would feel guilt free about taking oxycodone or whatever to help me through it but something inside me says get through as well as you can, and take the occasional pill when the physical and mental pain is too strong. Great thread:)

You are only taking 20-30mg's a day QUIT NOW. I did the same thing everyone at the beginning feels happy and life is great. I would say it is the closest thing to a happy pill as you can get (unless you speak of illicit drugs such as ecstasy) but as I can only come to deduce you havent been on hydro very long. your tolarance is going to skyrocket and if you continue you will either be in a methadone clinic or on subutex. Stop NOW