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#84922 - 03/08/04 05:42 AM Ultram - Tramadol *****
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Tramadol hydrochloride is a centrally acting analgesic. The chemical name for Tramadol hydrochloride is (±)cis-2- [(dimethylamino)methyl]-1-(3-methoxyphenyl) cyclohexanol hydrochloride. The molecular weight of Tramadol hydrochloride is 299.8.

Tramadol hydrochloride is a white, bitter, crystalline and odorless powder. It is readily soluble in water and ethanol and has a pKa of 9.41. The water/n-octanol partition coefficient is 1.35 at pH 7.

Ultram tablets contain 50 mg of Tramadol hydrochloride and are white in color. Inactive ingredients in the tablet are corn starch, hydroxypropyl methylcellulose, lactose, magnesium stearate, microcrystalline cellulose, polyethylene glycol, polysorbate 80, sodium starch glycolate, titanium dioxide and wax.


INDICATIONS
Tramadol is indicated for the management of moderate to moderately severe pain.


DOSAGE AND ADMINISTRATION

For the treatment of painful conditions Tramadol 50 mg to 100 mg can be administered as needed for relief every four to six hours, not to exceed 400 mg per day. For moderate pain Tramadol 50 mg may be adequate as the initial dose, and for more severe pain, Tramadol 100 mg is usually more effective as the initial dose.

Individualization of Dose: Available data do not suggest that a dosage adjustment is necessary in elderly patients 65 to 75 years of age unless they also have renal or hepatic impairment. For elderly patients over 75 years old, not more than 300 mg/day in divided doses as above is recommended. In all patients with creatine clearance less than 30 ml/min, it is recommended that the dosing interval of Tramadol HCl be increased to 12 hours with a maximum daily dose of 200 mg. Since only 7% of an administered dose is removed by hemodialysis, dialysis patients can receive their regular dose on the day of dialysis. The recommended dose for patients with cirrhosis is 50 mg every 12 hours. Patients receiving chronic carbamazepine doses up to 800 mg daily may require up to twice the recommended dose of Tramadol HCl.

HOW SUPPLIED

Ultram 50 mg (white, film-coated capsule-shaped tablet) is engraved "McNeil" on one side and "659" on the other side.

Dispense in a tight container. Store at controlled room temperature (up to 25°C, 77°F).


PATIENT INFORMATION

Tramadol HCl is used to relieve moderate to severe pain. This drug should be used as directed and only for the period of time determined by the physician. This drug can cause dizziness or tiredness and in some cases nausea, constipation and headache. Avoid the use of alcohol or other depressants such as sleeping pills or tranquilizers. Be especially careful when performing potentially hazardous tasks such as driving or operating machinery while taking this drug. Please tell your pharmacist or physician if you are pregnant or nursing.

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#84923 - 04/19/06 03:35 PM Re: Ultram - Tramadol
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http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/drugs_concern/tramadol.htm
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Tramadol (Trade Name: Ultram®)
July 2004
DEA/OD/ODE/200407/27

Introduction:

Tramadol was approved for marketing as a noncontrolled analgesic in 1995 under the trade name of Ultram®. Although the company initially claimed that this substance produced only very weak narcotic effects, recent data demonstrates that opioid activity is the overriding contributor to the drug’s pharmacological activity. Because of inadequate product labeling and lack of established abuse potential, many physicians felt this drug was perfectly safe to prescribe to recovering narcotic addicts and to known narcotic abusers. As a consequence, a large number of reports of abuse and dependence have been received.

Licit Uses:

Tramadol is approved for the treatment of moderate to moderately severe pain in adults. Although FDA has still not recommended the scheduling of this substance in the Controlled Substances Act (CSA), a requirement necessary for DEA to place a substance under control, they have required the company to inform physicians about recent abuse data and to include new information under the "drug Abuse and Dependence" section in the approved labeling. The labeling now contains the following language:

"Ultram® has a potential to cause psychic and physical dependence of the morphine-type (μ-opioid). The drug is associated with craving, drug-seeking behavior and tolerance development. Cases of abuse and dependence on Ultram® have been reported. Ultram® should not be used in opioid-dependent patients. Ultram® can reinitiate physical dependence in patients that have been previously dependent or chronically using other opioids. In patients with a tendency to drug abuse, a history of drug dependence, or are chronically using opioids, treatment with Ultram® is not recommended."

Chemistry/Pharmacology:

Tramadol is a centrally acting synthetic opioid. Opioid activity is due to both the parent compound and the more active O-desmethylated metabolite. Apart from analgesia, Tramadol may produce a number of symptoms including dizziness, somnolence, nausea, and constipation similar to other opioids.

Tramadol is well absorbed orally. It can be administered in 50 to 100 mg doses as needed for pain relief every 4 to 6 hours, not to exceed 400 mg/day. Seizures have been reported in patients receiving recommended doses but are more likely in high doses associated with abuse of this medication.

Poison Control data (2002 AAPCC Annual Report) indicates that there were 2,400 exposures of Tramadol reported to poison control centers. Of those, 108 resulted in a major medical outcome and 8 resulted in death.

Illicit Uses:

Tramadol is abused for its opiate effects. The drug Abuse Warning Network (DAWN) is a database which provides data on drug related episodes reported by hospital emergency rooms. In 2002, there were 1,714 episodes for Tramadol and a total of 7,890 episodes from 1998 through 2002. DAWN medical examiners reported that Tramadol was involved in 95 drug-related deaths in 2002 and a total of 382 deaths from 1998 through 2002.

The National Forensic Laboratory System (NFLIS) and System to Retrieve drug Evidence (STRIDE) are both DEA databases that collect scientifically verified data on analyzed samples in state/local and DEA forensic laboratories, respectively. In 2003, there were 267 exhibits of Tramadol in NFLIS and 2 exhibits in STRIDE. These relatively small numbers are most probably a reflection of the uncontrolled status of Tramadol in the U.S.

User Population:

The current pattern of Tramadol abuse in the US involves street drug addicts, chronic pain patients, and health professionals. The lack of control and lack of urine toxicology screen for this medication have probably contributed significantly to the availability of this drug.

Illicit distribution:

Like other legal pharmaceuticals with abuse potential, diversion of this medication occurs in a number of ways including prescription fraud. As an uncontrolled substance, there are no CSA regulations regarding manufacturing, distribution, or prescription of this medication.

Control status:

Tramadol is not controlled under the CSA but is under review for possible control.



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#84924 - 04/19/06 03:43 PM Re: Ultram - Tramadol
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Thank you for posting that Admin. Just so there's no more confusion.
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#84925 - 05/23/06 06:49 AM Re: Ultram - Tramadol
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I got a script of Tramadol for pain, I had an open wound on my leg. Anyways it worked OK for the pain But I always felt Hung over the next day after taking it, like I had been out drinking. I told my doctor this and he said he had never heard of a reaction like that.
I just stopped taking them and suffured until another doctor gave me percoset- That worked great. By the way I only took the medication at night when I went to sleep.
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#84926 - 06/08/06 07:09 AM Re: Ultram - Tramadol
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I have been taking Tramadol HCL (usually about 200mgs per day) for chronic pain and it has been a life saver for me. In MY opinion 2 50mg tablets work as well and longer than the hydro 5/500 I was on previously. (I realize everyone is different, this is just my experience with this drug.)

I do have a question, however. I realize the diffence between Ultram and ultracet is the addition of acetaminophen in the ultracet but is one stronger than the other? I recently changed doctors and he asked which one worked better for me but I couldn't remember if I had tried ultracet or not. Any answers?

Thanks!

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#84927 - 06/08/06 07:09 AM Re: Ultram - Tramadol
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I have been taking Tramadol HCL (usually about 200mgs per day) for chronic pain and it has been a life saver for me. In MY opinion 2 50mg tablets work as well and longer than the hydro 5/500 I was on previously. (I realize everyone is different, this is just my experience with this drug.)

I do have a question, however. I realize the diffence between Ultram and ultracet is the addition of acetaminophen in the ultracet but is one stronger than the other? I recently changed doctors and he asked which one worked better for me but I couldn't remember if I had tried ultracet or not. Any answers?

Thanks!

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#84928 - 06/08/06 02:51 PM Re: Ultram - Tramadol
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Hi,

A major difference between Ultram and Ultracet is the dose in each pill. One pill of Ultracet is 37.5mg and one pill of Ultram is 50mg. Of course, the other difference is the acetominophen added to ultracet.

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#84929 - 06/24/06 09:48 PM Re: Ultram - Tramadol
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I have been taking Ultram now since Oct.2005 for very chronic back pain.Since then I have finally felt like I use to before my pain began.Also it give me a boost of energy in a way.I no longer take my Buspar or Lexapro for my deppression/anxiety since having been on the Ultram.
My dose dose is 100mg in morning and 50mg every 4 hrs later.But I try not to take it after 4pm or Im awake at night.I also notice at bed time it dosent help the pain much though so I take 1 Hydrocod 5/500 to ease my pain if its unbearable.
Anyone have similar symptoms?

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#84930 - 07/19/06 04:07 AM Re: Ultram - Tramadol
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I used to take Tramadol for my PHN (post herpetic neuralgia) but take lortab 10 now. The Tramadol wasn't as effective for the pain but it definately was a better mood elevator. I took 100mgs when i woke up in the morning followed by 50mg increments throughout the day. Tramadol seems to last very long so you will always have some steady pain relief if you take it consistently.

I am considering trying to combine low doses of Tramadol with the lortab 10. I am going to talk to my doctor about it the next time I have a consult. He will probably not want to do overlapping treatments but its worth asking about.

Anyone who is looking for some pain relief this stuff is the best you will find without a prescription. It's very cheap too.

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#84931 - 11/17/06 11:32 AM Re: Ultram - Tramadol
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Thought I would post this just as FYI. I've seen sveral generic versions of Tramadol and thought I would start a thread where the various generics could be listed as to shape and imprint;

1. round with COR 127
2. oblong with 377
3. oval with 93 on 1 side and 58 on the other
4. small oblong that I can't remember imprint for
5. flatter oval whose markings I can't remember

I know there are more so if anyone can add then please do.

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#84932 - 11/17/06 12:29 PM Re: Ultram - Tramadol
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White 50mg capsule with 'T50' printed on one half. By Pilva Pharm Ltd.

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#84933 - 11/18/06 12:41 PM Re: Ultram - Tramadol
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5. flatter oval whose markings I can't remember




PLIVA 616 markings on one side, no markings on the other.

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#84934 - 11/18/06 01:16 PM Re: Ultram - Tramadol
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I believe that is correct misttvv! Thanks also nephro for the other.


Edited by edgewise1 (11/18/06 01:17 PM)

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#84935 - 01/06/07 12:15 PM Re: Ultram - Tramadol
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Ultram or Tramadol have NO narcotic effect whatsoever. NADA. These posts about it are hilarious, because people have been snowed, conned, convinced they get a narcotic effect from this drug. Oh Lord, what will they come up with next?
Sorry if I rained on anyone's parade. RR

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#84936 - 01/06/07 09:01 PM Re: Ultram - Tramadol
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I used to take Tramadol for my PHN (post herpetic neuralgia) but take lortab 10 now. The Tramadol wasn't as effective for the pain but it definately was a better mood elevator. I took 100mgs when i woke up in the morning followed by 50mg increments throughout the day. Tramadol seems to last very long so you will always have some steady pain relief if you take it consistently.

I am considering trying to combine low doses of Tramadol with the lortab 10. I am going to talk to my doctor about it the next time I have a consult. He will probably not want to do overlapping treatments but its worth asking about.

Anyone who is looking for some pain relief this stuff is the best you will find without a prescription. It's very cheap too.




Please, definitely talk to your Doc before combining Tramadol with anything else, especially the Lortabs. I've heard of severe reactions when combining Tramadol/Ultram with some other meds. Some people even have seizures. Just be careful, ok??

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#84937 - 01/06/07 09:56 PM Re: Ultram - Tramadol
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Ultram or Tramadol have NO narcotic effect whatsoever. NADA. These posts about it are hilarious, because people have been snowed, conned, convinced they get a narcotic effect from this drug. Oh Lord, what will they come up with next?
Sorry if I rained on anyone's parade. RR




Tramadol has a weak affinity for the mu-opioid receptor, therefore having some narcotic effect but not as much as weak opioids such as codeine.

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#84938 - 01/06/07 10:02 PM Re: Ultram - Tramadol
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It may be true in fact that there is no narcotic "effect" using Tramadol but I have to say I've been finding Tramadol very useful to help control pain I've had for a few years in my shoulder and help transition away from hydro. I still take hydro for severe pain, but Tramadol seems to work for me very well on "not so bad days" and I've been able to start going days at a time now without taking any hydro at all. I've been taking hydro almost daily for about two years now and have been afraid of the WD's and short supply of hydro (or ridiculous expense if you can find it at all.) Tramadol has been a lifesaver for me so far... No, Tramadol isn't going to give you much of a buzz or "high" but sorry, that's not why we're here. It does, for me, seem to dull the pain a good amount. I'd highly recommend if you're looking for an alternative to hydro. I think it's just different effects for different people, nobody is getting "snowballed." For example, for some reason when I do go to the doc, I usually get Darvocet, which is completely worthless to me. It gives me a bit of a "buzz" (along with a nauseous feeling)but does not do much in the way of dulling pain, for me at least. I know many people find Darvocet to be very effective for them. To each his or her own. Good luck!

FYI, the 100mg Tramadol I've got right now is from Starlite, which is the original name brand, so they say. Funny thing is, since it is not controlled, it was not seized by customs. I got 1/2 packages from Joe... First one came through fine with my 75 Rivotril but the second came with a LL and the Rivotril gone but they left me the Tramadol that was in the same package. I thought that to be odd, since they say "ordering any meds overseas can be dangerous- you don't know what you're getting." These Tramadol, as I mentioned in another post, look like they could be tabs of anything. Point being, if you're looking for an alternative for hydro or other pain med (not for getting a "buzz") try IOP's and you can get Tramadol (100mg or better, 50mg are only available in the states), name brand and reasonably priced without fear of having them seized. Not bad, IMO. Good luck, hope that will help some!

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#84939 - 01/06/07 10:08 PM Re: Ultram - Tramadol
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Quote:

Quote:

I used to take Tramadol for my PHN (post herpetic neuralgia) but take lortab 10 now. The Tramadol wasn't as effective for the pain but it definately was a better mood elevator. I took 100mgs when i woke up in the morning followed by 50mg increments throughout the day. Tramadol seems to last very long so you will always have some steady pain relief if you take it consistently.

I am considering trying to combine low doses of Tramadol with the lortab 10. I am going to talk to my doctor about it the next time I have a consult. He will probably not want to do overlapping treatments but its worth asking about.

Anyone who is looking for some pain relief this stuff is the best you will find without a prescription. It's very cheap too.




Please, definitely talk to your Doc before combining Tramadol with anything else, especially the Lortabs. I've heard of severe reactions when combining Tramadol/Ultram with some other meds. Some people even have seizures. Just be careful, ok??




Anyone have any insight into this? As I mentioned in my previous post, I've been transitioning a bit from hydro to Tramadol but on some days I may take a 100mg Tramadol in the morning, have a "bad" day pain wise and take a 10/325 for severe pain (or half of one if it's not unbearably bad.) I don't take them at the same time, usually several hours apart but sometimes in the same day, at least. Anyone know of any specific reactions to having both in the system at the same time? I've not found any specific contradictions online but I am no doctor. Thanks as always!

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#84940 - 01/07/07 01:07 AM Re: Ultram - Tramadol
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I've been taking Tramadol for some time. Occasionally I get a few hydros in between. Last time, when I had a surgical procedure done, I stop the Tramadol, take the hydros only, and then go back to Tramadol. But have taken both the same day, too, and when you do that you can't almost feel the hydros at all. As to seizures, doing this did not in the least give me any problems. But taking too much Tramadol will let you know how dangerous this stuff is. I can't believe how high the doses some people here are taking. I could and would never do this. Tramadol with hydros together is okay, but high doses of Tramadol with hydros or without hydros probably wouldn't be okay at all.
Tramadol doesn't work fast and powerfully like hydros. It begins to work well when taken for some time. Real well. But it is a very dangerous drug, nevertheless.


Edited by chantal (01/07/07 01:20 AM)

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#84941 - 01/07/07 03:09 AM Re: Ultram - Tramadol
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I've been taking Tramadol for some time. Occasionally I get a few hydros in between. Last time, when I had a surgical procedure done, I stop the Tramadol, take the hydros only, and then go back to Tramadol. But have taken both the same day, too, and when you do that you can't almost feel the hydros at all. As to seizures, doing this did not in the least give me any problems. But taking too much Tramadol will let you know how dangerous this stuff is. I can't believe how high the doses some people here are taking. I could and would never do this. Tramadol with hydros together is okay, but high doses of Tramadol with hydros or without hydros probably wouldn't be okay at all.
Tramadol doesn't work fast and powerfully like hydros. It begins to work well when taken for some time. Real well. But it is a very dangerous drug, nevertheless.




I agree with Chantal 100 %. Sometimes you can use Tramadol to help taper off if you have been on Hrydro for a while and can no longer get them for what ever reason, but to take them together it can be quite dangerous. They are two of the same, although in your mind Hydro "feels" much better. (Does that make scence?) Hydro gives you a "buzz" Tramadol doesn't (atleast for me) but they are two of the same...to mix them and take too much of each can be a really bad combo....Dawn

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#84942 - 01/07/07 08:51 AM Re: Ultram - Tramadol
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Hmmm ... Starlite does offer 50 mg. or at least the last time I looked BUT Friendly offers it much cheaper and you get it the next day!
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#84943 - 01/27/07 04:10 AM Re: Ultram - Tramadol
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With all due respect, have you ever tried it personally?
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#84944 - 01/27/07 04:18 AM Re: Ultram - Tramadol
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I have and it did have a weak narcotic effect, though I have no tolerance. From the formulary:

"Tramadol produces analgesia by two mechanisms: an opioid effect and an enhancement of serotonergic and adrenergic pathways. It has fewer of the typical opioid side-effects (notably, less respiratory depression, less constipation and less addiction potential); psychiatric reactions have been reported."

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#84945 - 02/11/07 02:41 PM Re: Ultram - Tramadol
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Does anyone know, or, has anyone heard if they are going to schedual this med any time soon? I hope not.
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#84946 - 03/25/07 11:31 AM Re: Ultram - Tramadol
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Hi all,

Just started taking Tramadol HCL for moderate to severe arthritis in my spine.

Two 50 mgs tabs did NOT take away my pain, but three DID, with no side effects whatsoever. I almost felt as though I'd gotten my life back.

My concern, however, is tolerance. I'm at the 400 mg threshold now and it doesn't seem to be working as well as it did when I started taking it a week ago.

FYI: I'm a big person and am wondering if it's possible for me to safely take more of it or whether that's a dumb idea.

Any advice (what to ask/tell my doctor)? Overall, this is a good medication.

Thanks in advance!

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#84947 - 03/25/07 11:50 AM Re: Ultram - Tramadol
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Tolerance does build very quickly with this drug but I have found that if you can substitute something else for just one day, it will be more effective the next time you take it.

You must be big if you can take 3 with no side effects. The danger of taking too many is the possibility of it lowering your seizure threshold ... which is not a good thing to mess with.

The way I use Tramadol is along with a norco as it make the norco last 6 hours instead of 4. Good luck.
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#84948 - 03/25/07 02:24 PM Re: Ultram - Tramadol
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Thanks!

What is Norco?

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#84949 - 03/25/07 03:25 PM Re: Ultram - Tramadol
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It is interesting that I have found when I have received it from a doc, they say that it is a non-narcotic and not addicting. I remember way back when I first found the board some sweet young girl confessed she was up to 30 Tramadol/day and was wondering where she could find some. I wish I remembered her user name and would love to see where she is now. Poor thing. That would be a full time job! So I would say it can be addicting but not as much as hydro. I have a girlfriend who takes one for her anxiety and I sometimes wonder if its the placebo effect. Anyway the whole reason of my post is that doc's don't seem to consider it at all a narcotic. In fact, I think it's in the same schedule as ibu 800mg!

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#84950 - 03/25/07 05:01 PM Re: Ultram - Tramadol
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Thanks! I'm still trying to figure this whole thing out. I wonder if it's safe to take Ibuprofen with Tramadol? Anybody know?

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#84951 - 03/25/07 07:28 PM Re: Ultram - Tramadol
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To the above 2 posters: Tramadol IS a narcotic analgesic but only due to a small part of its action. It has a non-narcotic part which reduces pain by a different mechanism.

This board if proof that Tramadol is addictive.

It is perfectly safe to take Tramadol with NSAIDs.

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