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#842143 - 02/08/09 09:06 PM Re: Vicodin(Hydrocodone) for depression and motivation/self-esteem fixer? [Re: kserah]
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I would disagree that i have been relying on meds my whole life. I grew up and was FORCED on meds my whole life. Since I was independant of my early adulthood I have not been on any meds whatsoever. I don't have an addictive personality but I clearly see your point about the addiction. I have heard of suboxone and someone told me they used that to get off of their hydrocodone addiction. I am addicted to hydrocodone both physically and mentally - I clearly admit that. However, I am bringing up the point - so what? What if my addiction is able to be steady and as lifechanging as it has been(in a good way). If you turn on TV or read any articles about addictions they are usually addictions that ruin someones life and/or relationships. This addiction has undoubtedly improved my life(atleast in the short term).

Thanks for the great discussion. It's really given me more of an insight.

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#842144 - 02/08/09 09:11 PM Re: Vicodin(Hydrocodone) for depression and motivation/self-esteem fixer? [Re: bill412]
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 Originally Posted By: bill412
hello jinx,

The first year or two I used hydrocodone were the greatest years of my life too. I was happy, extremely motivated, had a good job, and found it easy to deal with the opposite sex. I would eat a few vikes and go outside, enjoy life, camp, hike, etc.

Fast forward four years later. I am on Suboxone Therapy for opiate dependence and i know in the back of my head, that one day, there is a hell of a withdrawal waiting for me.

Vikes will probably give you energy and will make life easier. But as your tolerance grows, it will become necessary to do things you never would have thought of doing to obtain the medication you need to feel "normal."

I am not attacking you bro. I did the same thing you are doing now. And I applaud your honesty. But be careful as what i posted above is the nature of the opiate. There are no exceptions, no way around it.


wow, great info. I have that same fear as you - the hell of withdrawl waiting for me when I quit. Did you take suboxone to get OFF the vicodin? That's what I have been told is a normal method, but that almost sounds oxymoron to me - lose one addiction and gain another.

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#842145 - 02/08/09 09:13 PM Re: Vicodin(Hydrocodone) for depression and motivation/self-esteem fixer? [Re: yellow]
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 Originally Posted By: yellow
I hope you don't take people's feedback too hard, jinx. On this board, if you ask for advice, people will definitely give it!

I asked my shrink one time if they ever prescribed hydro for depression (because I agree- when I was in between anti-depressants, the pain killer seemed to help temporarily). He said no way. I remember him saying specifically, "An anti-depressant won't ever be able to compete with how you feel on vicodin." I think that's the issue here- what works temporarily, versus what works long term.



No problem, I enjoy honest feedback/criticism and it really does help. I wonder if there will ever be an anti-depressant that is chemically similar to opiates without the addiction. Science needs to catch up!

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#848739 - 02/23/09 04:37 PM Re: Vicodin(Hydrocodone) for depression and motivation/self-esteem fixer? [Re: JinxDalinx]
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i dont care what anyone says,hydrocodone is the best anti-depressant medication on the market,ive always had a little touch of the blues,kind of anti-social and tried all kinds of anti-depressants i was shocked to see how every single one of them made you feel like you were somebody different then your true self,or just a fogged up head...hydrocodone allows you to be your true self with a big smile and sharp as a tack!,i couldnt believe how social and out going it allowed me to be,its absolutely shocking that the medical industry doesn't use hydrocodone to treat depression or anti-social anxiety because of so called "off label" use..if you suffer from depression and are sick and tired of these [censored] anti-depression meds that turn you into zombies and hide your true personality try hydrocodone,it has one risk though it will cause you to maintain a regular dose schedule because it is kind of addictive but its the best anti-depressant medication ever created!!..and soooooo sad many people will never get to experience true relief from such a horrible disease because its a narcotic medication...i would be curious to know if anyone here gets prescribed hydrocodone from their doctor specifically for depression,id love to know how many doc truly recognize its benefit and scripts it for depression despite it being "off label" use...anyone?

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#848771 - 02/23/09 05:15 PM Re: Vicodin(Hydrocodone) for depression and motivation/self-esteem fixer? [Re: eluded]
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Yes, I think the addictive part is truly the issue. With an anti-depressant one does not need to take more of the medication over time to get the effect. That's not the case with hydrocodone :(.

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#848780 - 02/23/09 05:34 PM Re: Vicodin(Hydrocodone) for depression and motivation/self-esteem fixer? [Re: Sick_Of_Pain]
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 Originally Posted By: Sick_Of_Pain
i dont care what anyone says,hydrocodone is the best anti-depressant medication on the market,ive always had a little touch of the blues,kind of anti-social and tried all kinds of anti-depressants i was shocked to see how every single one of them made you feel like you were somebody different then your true self,or just a fogged up head...hydrocodone allows you to be your true self with a big smile and sharp as a tack!,i couldnt believe how social and out going it allowed me to be,its absolutely shocking that the medical industry doesn't use hydrocodone to treat depression or anti-social anxiety because of so called "off label" use..if you suffer from depression and are sick and tired of these [censored] anti-depression meds that turn you into zombies and hide your true personality try hydrocodone,it has one risk though it will cause you to maintain a regular dose schedule because it is kind of addictive but its the best anti-depressant medication ever created!!..and soooooo sad many people will never get to experience true relief from such a horrible disease because its a narcotic medication...i would be curious to know if anyone here gets prescribed hydrocodone from their doctor specifically for depression,id love to know how many doc truly recognize its benefit and scripts it for depression despite it being "off label" use...anyone?


Amen to that! I couldn't have said it better, man \:\)

From what I've heard anti-depressants take a longass time to work. So, why wait weeks for relief when you can take something that works right away?
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#848784 - 02/23/09 05:41 PM Re: Vicodin(Hydrocodone) for depression and motivation/self-esteem fixer? [Re: Fentanyl_Rain]
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Because that medicine that works "right away" is not meant for long-term use ... and that floaty, euphoric feeling doesn't last forever. Tolerance builds up, and then you find yourself needing more and more medicine to achieve the same results. Eventually, you're taking it just to keep withdrawals at bay. (And probably more depressed than you were to begin with, because now you're also addicted to pain medicine.)

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#848796 - 02/23/09 05:57 PM Re: Vicodin(Hydrocodone) for depression and motivation/self-esteem fixer? [Re: MisfitToy]
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 Originally Posted By: MisfitToy
Because that medicine that works "right away" is not meant for long-term use ... and that floaty, euphoric feeling doesn't last forever. Tolerance builds up, and then you find yourself needing more and more medicine to achieve the same results. Eventually, you're taking it just to keep withdrawals at bay. (And probably more depressed than you were to begin with, because now you're also addicted to pain medicine.)


amen.. it also causes sever mood swings along with the depression after a few months.

opiates have no business being taken as a mood enhancer (especially long term)
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#848800 - 02/23/09 06:05 PM Re: Vicodin(Hydrocodone) for depression and motivation/self-esteem fixer? [Re: MisfitToy]
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 Originally Posted By: MisfitToy
Because that medicine that works "right away" is not meant for long-term use ... and that floaty, euphoric feeling doesn't last forever. Tolerance builds up, and then you find yourself needing more and more medicine to achieve the same results. Eventually, you're taking it just to keep withdrawals at bay. (And probably more depressed than you were to begin with, because now you're also addicted to pain medicine.)


Hydro would only work for short-term emotional sadness and a temporary lack of motivation (like what the other person mentioned), but not for chronic depression because of it's addiction issue. Hydrocodone is a good med at lifting your mood for a quick fix of depression IMO.
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#849022 - 02/24/09 09:00 AM Re: Vicodin(Hydrocodone) for depression and motivation/self-esteem fixer? [Re: Sick_Of_Pain]
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 Originally Posted By: Sick_Of_Pain
i dont care what anyone says,hydrocodone is the best anti-depressant medication on the market...hydrocodone allows you to be your true self with a big smile and sharp as a tack!...it has one risk though it will cause you to maintain a regular dose schedule because it is kind of addictive..and soooooo sad many people will never get to experience true relief from such a horrible disease because its a narcotic medication


Narcotics allow you to be your true self? And sharp as a tack? That is groundbreaking medical news and needs to be communicated quickly to whoever writes all of those medication inserts warning patients not to drive, operate machinery or engage in dangerous activity while taking opioid medications.
And they are "kind of" addictive? That would be in contrast to "really" addictive or "slightly" addictive?
I think you need to re-think the difference between curing the blues and getting high. I'm pretty confident most people would agree with you that getting high is a sure-fire way to cure the blues.

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#849041 - 02/24/09 09:41 AM Re: Vicodin(Hydrocodone) for depression and motivation/self-esteem fixer? [Re: Fentanyl_Rain]
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 Originally Posted By: Fentanyl_Rain
 Originally Posted By: MisfitToy
Because that medicine that works "right away" is not meant for long-term use ... and that floaty, euphoric feeling doesn't last forever. Tolerance builds up, and then you find yourself needing more and more medicine to achieve the same results. Eventually, you're taking it just to keep withdrawals at bay. (And probably more depressed than you were to begin with, because now you're also addicted to pain medicine.)


Hydro would only work for short-term emotional sadness and a temporary lack of motivation (like what the other person mentioned), but not for chronic depression because of it's addiction issue. Hydrocodone is a good med at lifting your mood for a quick fix of depression IMO.


I agree, and when the quick fix no longer fixes you that well and it becomes a need then the depression will be worse then ever.

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#849098 - 02/24/09 11:22 AM Re: Vicodin(Hydrocodone) for depression and motivation/self-esteem fixer? [Re: bill412]
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I think it could definatly work for some people. I don't think every day would be neccesary though.
Lots of people do this already without doc though.

I'm all for it. Glad it worked for you. Personnaly i'd use once every 2 days and keep torence down.

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#849113 - 02/24/09 11:50 AM Re: Vicodin(Hydrocodone) for depression and motivation/self-esteem fixer? [Re: martind]
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 Originally Posted By: martind

Narcotics allow you to be your true self? And sharp as a tack? That is groundbreaking medical news and needs to be communicated quickly to whoever writes all of those medication inserts warning patients not to drive, operate machinery or engage in dangerous activity while taking opioid medications.
And they are "kind of" addictive? That would be in contrast to "really" addictive or "slightly" addictive?
I think you need to re-think the difference between curing the blues and getting high. I'm pretty confident most people would agree with you that getting high is a sure-fire way to cure the blues.


Well put!! Sure getting "high" on Narcotics will mask Depression and Get you Motivated, but it will not FIX your self-esteem, it will also just mask
That too!! I personnally know it does help with the depression associated with Cronic Pain for about 4-5 months at moderate doses, after that it
Does not even work for the pain at higher doses. Then your worse off!
No Pain relieve, No help with the depression associated!....
Also, The large amounts of APAP you must consume with the Hydrocodone
(have yet to find pure Hydro tabs) is not good for your health!!!

This is why CP sufferers have a harder time finding relief from many doctors. Because we sometime use them to "cure" other things, and start to
Self medicate. I've been guilty.

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#849154 - 02/24/09 01:23 PM Re: Vicodin(Hydrocodone) for depression and motivation/self-esteem fixer? [Re: Sick_Of_Pain]
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 Originally Posted By: Sick_Of_Pain
i would be curious to know if anyone here gets prescribed hydrocodone from their doctor specifically for depression,id love to know how many doc truly recognize its benefit and scripts it for depression despite it being "off label"


The same number of doctors who will get struck off for malpractice, probably.

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#849193 - 02/24/09 02:13 PM Re: Vicodin(Hydrocodone) for depression and motivation/self-esteem fixer? [Re: nephro]
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In my own personal opinion i think opiates are a bad idea for depression. I actually think that even antidepressants are not that good. I think that therapy such as CBT or human givens is the way to go with depression. Most pills (opiates or not)just mask an underlying problem that needs to be addressed.

xxx this thread is about Vicodin and not about Kratom xxx


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#849293 - 02/24/09 05:19 PM Re: Vicodin(Hydrocodone) for depression and motivation/self-esteem fixer? [Re: StuntGoat]
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xxx this thread is about Vicodin and not about Kratom xxx


Edited by Administrator (03/21/09 07:01 AM)

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#849374 - 02/24/09 08:15 PM Re: Vicodin(Hydrocodone) for depression and motivation/self-esteem fixer? [Re: yellow]
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the reason most people disagree with me is because some of you(although you'll never admit it) sneak an extra one here an there when you want to feel a little extra special,i have never needed anything over my 120 count bottle in 6 years,if used responsibly i see no problem,why havent i needed to increase my dosage after all these years,dont allow your system to build up excessive tolerance by popping extra ones here and there and before you head out on those friday and saturday nights or whenever....and the reason i say this is because everyone keeps saying "your just getting high"..after awhile you dont get high anymore its just enough to shake off the blues,id have to pop like 3 or 4 to get high and that would throw everything out of whack my tolerance and dosage limits per month...im just saying it works fantastic for me and i believe it could help others out as well..SSRI's i would think are far more dangerous on your brain and body...

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#849394 - 02/24/09 08:52 PM Re: Vicodin(Hydrocodone) for depression and motivation/self-esteem fixer? [Re: JinxDalinx]
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Is there a version of vicodin that doesn't have the tylenol in it? You should take that instead to spare your organs. Would that be oxycodone?
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#849542 - 02/25/09 06:54 AM Re: Vicodin(Hydrocodone) for depression and motivation/self-esteem fixer? [Re: yellow]
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xxx this thread is about Vicodin and not about Kratom xxx


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#849624 - 02/25/09 09:42 AM Re: Vicodin(Hydrocodone) for depression and motivation/self-esteem fixer? [Re: Sick_Of_Pain]
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 Originally Posted By: Sick_Of_Pain
the reason most people disagree with me is because some of you(although you'll never admit it) sneak an extra one here an there when you want to feel a little extra special,i have never needed anything over my 120 count bottle in 6 years,if used responsibly i see no problem,why havent i needed to increase my dosage after all these years,dont allow your system to build up excessive tolerance by popping extra ones here and there and before you head out on those friday and saturday nights or whenever....and the reason i say this is because everyone keeps saying "your just getting high"..after awhile you dont get high anymore its just enough to shake off the blues,id have to pop like 3 or 4 to get high and that would throw everything out of whack my tolerance and dosage limits per month...im just saying it works fantastic for me and i believe it could help others out as well..SSRI's i would think are far more dangerous on your brain and body...


Have you ever tried to figure out why you have these awful "blues" in the first place that you've spent the last 6 years trying to shake off? Maybe if you quit taking Vicodin your blues would go away. Or are you planning to keep taking 4 Vicodin per day for the rest of your life just to shake off the blues?
I think you are in serious denial about what you are really doing.

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#850160 - 02/26/09 07:49 AM Re: Vicodin(Hydrocodone) for depression and motivation/self-esteem fixer? [Re: martind]
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martind, are you saying that his vicodin (Hydrocodone)is causing his depression? I experienced depression "the blues" sometimes they feel like "the BLACKS" since I can remember from around the age of 12 or so and probably before that but I can't remember back that far. I've been diagnosed with GAD and chronic depression and have tried several AD's mostly SSRI's and all made me feel worse or "spaced out". I "discovered" hydrocodone about five years ago when I was diagnosed with DDD (degenrative disc disease} and found that it took away my depression and anxiety,made me feel "normal", more social,loving,and just makes me feel a hell of alot better about myself. Up until then I abused alcohol and attempted suicide twice. The hydro helped me to quit drinking 3 years ago and boy do I miss those hangovers,blacouts, etc. My point is if someone chooses to "self medicate" their depression/anxiety with hydro or other "legal" opiates, then they should have the right to. Trust me, emotional/mental pain can hurt just as much as physical pain, I know I suffer from both.

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#850185 - 02/26/09 09:04 AM Re: Vicodin(Hydrocodone) for depression and motivation/self-esteem fixer? [Re: rocker61]
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Discussing the subject of treatment of depression with opiates should really be diagnosis-based and focused on the underlying cause of the problem.
One of the side effects (read: not the medical purpose) of narcotic drugs is euphoria. Of course euphoria will chase away the "blues." But what is causing this? Is it an imbalance of seratonin uptake, a serious underlying physical condition, treatment resistant depression or just the realities of everyday life? Go back and read the medical history of morphine and laudanum in the days before science understood how these narcotic drugs actually worked.
Also,in many ways ethanol can initially have the same effect on certain kinds of depressive syndromes just like opiates but you will be hard put to find any medical support for prescribing it to cure depression.
Except in very rare incidences, I believe someone taking opiates every day to self-medicate "depression" is not only misusing the drug but also headed for problems that are likely to be much worse than the problem they think they were solving.


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#850233 - 02/26/09 10:52 AM Re: Vicodin(Hydrocodone) for depression and motivation/self-esteem fixer? [Re: martind]
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Can you be more specific about these "problems" you're referring to? I know in my case without the hydro I wouldn't have been able to keep/maintain my job which I hate by the way but pays well and allows me to support my family. I also believe that life is too short not to be happy as much as possible for the time we have. I believe everyone has a right to happiness as long as their not hurting others to acquire it. In my case this drug that allows me to function physically everyday just happens to relieve my depression and anxiety and since I'm a "beer glass half full" kind of person intead of a negatavist I feel like I'm receiving a "bonus." I had an aunt that was an alcoholic and drank excessively most of her life but ironocally committed suicide after taking Prozac. I also recently had a neice that was killed by a drunk driver,it's funny you hardly ever hear about someone killed by someone on vicodin or even oxycodone. I agree that opiates are not a cure for everyone's depression and different drugs react differently for different people, but just like alcohol can be used as disinfectant and can be ingested to destress hydro and many other drugs can have multiple uses.

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#850269 - 02/26/09 11:39 AM Re: Vicodin(Hydrocodone) for depression and motivation/self-esteem fixer? [Re: rocker61]
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If you are honestly not aware of the potential problems of self-medicated, long-term opiate use, I'm even more negative regarding your approach to treating your depressive condition.
I cannot count the number of patients I know personally who have ended up in substance abuse recovery programs because of exactly the lack of understanding you seem to have.
At this point, all I can do is suggest to you another perspective on your logic. You are correct about life being too short, though. In time you will, I believe, find that it is too short to be chained to an opiate to be happy.

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#850299 - 02/26/09 12:52 PM Re: Vicodin(Hydrocodone) for depression and motivation/self-esteem fixer? [Re: martind]
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I'm fully aware of the abuse that goes on with painkillers,but abuse happens with everything, doesn't it? If there wasn't we wouldn't have all these drug rehab clinics and alcoholic wards,etc. But what's wrong with being a responsible hardworking taxpaying family man using a legal drug to help kill the chronic pain caused by years of working a physically demanding job to support said family and to help so that he/she can continue working? I'm talking about taking the drug only when the pain and the stress from said pain gets so bad sometimes you would rather be dead. Just like anything else there will always be those who abuse or overindulge like this Ryan kid that's going to make things harder and more expensive to get the medication that helps us to continue to be contributing and responsible citizens. By the way aren't most of these nuts that go off on killing sprees at Mcdonalds and schools been found to either be on or coming off antidepressants? I haven't heard of one coming off hydrocodone. Another thing, I just had a full physical and doc says I'm actually in better shape than I was 5 years ago, go figure.

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#850335 - 02/26/09 01:50 PM Re: Vicodin(Hydrocodone) for depression and motivation/self-esteem fixer? [Re: rocker61]
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I disagree that abuse happens with everything, first of all. Far from it.
In addition, the discussion that was going on previously involved the efficacy of taking opiates long-term as a medical treatment for depression.
It is a completely different conversation when it centers on using painkillers to treat chronic pain. I'm not sure where that change of subject occurred but it doesn't look like it applies to "Vicodin for depression and motivation/self-esteem."
If you are being treated by a physician for your painful back condition, then good for you.

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#850512 - 02/26/09 06:40 PM Re: Vicodin(Hydrocodone) for depression and motivation/self-esteem fixer? [Re: martind]
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wow my story is almost identical to rocker61....and those that keep saying stuff about finding this "underlying" problem that causes the blues,its just something your probably never understand,and lucky you dont have to experience chemical imbalances in the brain,even when everything around you couldnt be better your brain throws your moods into a complete tailspin,very frustrating its something a shrink could never fix because there is no "underlying issue" and it sucks having to risk liver damage using hydrocodone but with DDD(degenerative disk disease) like rocker has im killing two birds with one stone using this particular medication,im more happy,social pain free and outgoing just really living and enjoying life now,its alot better then living in a foggy daze with crazy brain zaps and the same addictive nature using SSRI to treat depression...

and novakitty oxycodone probably contains tylenol or ibuprofen i think,my best bet was the 15/80 custom compounds like i use to get from medsnationwide those were the best,but thanks to the DEA its no more,shame the little guy cant live a pain/blues free existence without a hellish heap of hoops to jump through...and no Kratom didnt seem to work for me(nice for taking an edge off a withdrawl though)

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#850574 - 02/26/09 09:42 PM Re: Vicodin(Hydrocodone) for depression and motivation/self-esteem fixer? [Re: Sick_Of_Pain]
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For those that want to delve into this topic further, here is a link to the same issue/topic started by a grand pooh bah 3 years ago:

http://www.drugbuyers.com/freeboard/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/375113#Post375113.

Sorry can't get the link to work, but just copy it into your browser, or under this same forum for depression, scroll down a few topics (7 or 8) to see "Opiates for Severe Depression" started by Trampy.

This thread contains a lot of information discussed since it was started in '06.


Yayy, got the link to work!!




Edited by secondstar (02/26/09 09:42 PM)
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#850576 - 02/26/09 09:46 PM Re: Vicodin(Hydrocodone) for depression and motivation/self-esteem fixer? [Re: bill412]
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I have read on the board over the years of people taking Hydrocodone for depression and some even had it prescribed by their doctor for that specific purpose. I guess everyone is different. For those that have pain, Hydrocodone takes the pain to a tollerable level and for those who do not have pain, it gives them a high, or euphoric feeling.

But to each his or her own --- we should not be here to judge each other but be supportive of others on the board.

BTW, this is not meant towards any particular person, just my two cents on depression and Hydrocodone.

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#850713 - 02/27/09 07:39 AM Re: Vicodin(Hydrocodone) for depression and motivation/self-esteem fixer? [Re: Sick_Of_Pain]
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 Originally Posted By: Sick_Of_Pain
wow my story is almost identical to rocker61....and those that keep saying stuff about finding this "underlying" problem that causes the blues,its just something your probably never understand,and lucky you dont have to experience chemical imbalances in the brain,even when everything around you couldnt be better your brain throws your moods into a complete tailspin,very frustrating its something a shrink could never fix because there is no "underlying issue" and it sucks having to risk liver damage using hydrocodone but with DDD(degenerative disk disease) like rocker has im killing two birds with one stone using this particular medication,im more happy,social pain free and outgoing just really living and enjoying life now,its alot better then living in a foggy daze with crazy brain zaps and the same addictive nature using SSRI to treat depression...

and novakitty oxycodone probably contains tylenol or ibuprofen i think,my best bet was the 15/80 custom compounds like i use to get from medsnationwide those were the best,but thanks to the DEA its no more,shame the little guy cant live a pain/blues free existence without a hellish heap of hoops to jump through...and no kratom didnt seem to work for me(nice for taking an edge off a withdrawl though)


We obviusly have a difference of opinion on the wisdom of using hydrocodone to treat your problem with the "blues."
However, there should be no difference of opinion on two of your points:
-SSRI medications are not addictive by definition
-Oxycodonoe does not contain Tylenol or ibuprofen

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