The only difference I'm aware of is that the perds are time released and the codes are immediate release.

Technically, I think the codes are closer to 28mg than 30mg.

Ok.....let me get my brain around what iam reading a 150 mg of codeine equals one 2.5 hydro? Do they make 2.5 hydro? Or this is just a easy way of comparing? Pls dont laugh iam just asking.....not as smart as you guys....

30 mgs of Codeine is supposedly equal to 5 mgs Hydro. Hence the name VIcodin. VI the Roman numeral for six. Meaning, six times more potent milligram to milligram of Hydro to Codeine.

They do make a 2.5 tab of Hydo, usually prescribed to children..

See the narcotic convertor at: http://www.medcalc.com/narcotics.html

I thought it was 28.5 ????????


ok this one is pretty much the same as the admins

http://www.globalrph.com/narcotic.cgi

Codeine phosphate hemihydrate is just a description of the 'water part' of codeine phosphate.

Kapake should contain codeine phosphate - the British version, that is. It has to, in order to qualify as co-codamol.

Pholcodine linctus is yellow, not purple, though brands such as Pavacol-D and Pholcomed may be different. It has virtually no narcotic effect, though it works as a cough suppressant to some extent.

Conversion charts give varying results. However, pharmacokinetics provides this answer based on keytones:

Hydrocodone is the hydrogenated keytone of codeine:

Changing codeine into hydrocodone increases its activity and therefore makes hydrocodone about six times stronger than codeine on a weight basis, all other things being equal. Changed also is lipid solubility, contributing to hydrocodone having a more rapid onset of action and alterations to the overall Absorption, Distribution, Metabolism & Elimination profile as well as the side effect profile (generally less nausea and itching) versus that of codeine. The semi-synthetic opiates, of which its codeine analogue hydrocodone are amongst the best-known and oldest, include a huge number of drugs of varying strengths and with differences amongst themselves both subtle and stark, allowing for many different options for treatment.

SB, yours give Codeine to Hydro as 4.5mgs. Closer to the hydrogenated keytone of 5.0. Thus the analogy of VIcodin 5.0 mg is 6 times the strength of Codeine milligram to milligram. Admin's chart is way off at 1.2-2.4

NBG, the chart I posted has been around for a long time and allows a cross referance also. I don't know which is closer, as I have only had hydro one time after a broken wrist, and surgery. I had actually started the first few days on percosets, then the hydro, by that time I could'nt tell any effect. It must have worked as I had no mo pain.

Maybe if you never go to anything stronger than codeine, that would help, but then again I never had any broken bones in my back, or elsewhere..

( but I have had a pain in the neck )

Yor chart is the closest SB.

I've read that SSRI's (Prozac, Lexapro, etc.) effectively block the conversion of codeine to morphine in the body, is this the same for SNRI's (Effexor, Pristiq)? I'm currently on the latter and considering switching to codeine for pain relief since it is much cheaper than other narcotics.

Has anyone else heard this? I'm on an SSRI and thinking of switching to codeine (at least part time) as well.

The medical literature that I've read specifically indicates that SSRI's Paxil, Prozac and Luvox can significantly reduce or eliminate the painkilling properties of codeine by inhibiting its conversion to morphine in the liver.
I have not seen many specifics on the newer SNRI's but the little I have seen indicates a similar reduction in the analgesic effect of codeine.

I have heard that codeine (without apap of course) is really a superior painkiller to most of our over the counter meds like ibu and apap because it does not have any long term damaging side effects. Both acetaminophen and ibuprofen can seriously damage ones liver and or pancrease. Is it true that codeine, when taken alone, does no damage at all? I cannot seem to find the info to substantiate this one way or the other on the web. anyone?

It depends on what your definition of "damage" is.
Codeine is an opiate and thus has all of the unwanted side effects that can occur with this class of medication:
breathing disorders
urinary incontinence
impacted bowel
seizures and convulsions
harm to unborn babies
blurred vision
hearing loss

It can also exacerbate an existing liver or kidney condition and various forms of mental illness.
I do not subscribe to the theory that unadulterated narcotics like codeine, morphine and oxycodone can be taken ad infinitum without any undue "damage" to the human body. The medical equation should be to consistently have the painkilling properties outweigh the negative effects on the body.

yup,as always you are correct about the pholcodine,sorry to go off topic,but yea,it has no effect as far as a codeine substitute.

I have a question. I know it's not advisable to take Tramadol with hydro, but what about taking it with codeine?

A good rule of thumb is to be careful of any combo of medication that could multiply dangerous side effects.
For instance, opioids can slow breathing in normal dosage ranges. Adding an "opioid-like" med like Tramadol to codeine can slow breathing even more especially if taken prior to sleeping.
It is a good idea to research the side effects of medications prior to combining them to be aware of any potential problems. Asking a pharmacist is always advised as well.

tried them both together with no problems at all,but if in doubt,dont do it.

Is it true that pure codeine without the apap, such as in Perds, causes no long term damage to the human body provided the user stays below the 200 - 250mg per day range?

You must consider constipation, and the other damage constipation can cause.

Along with headaches, itching, limited libido and the ever popular "respiratory depression."
At the doses described, these are only potentially damaging effects while taking the drug. Funny how those doses seem to be only temporary, however, in most cases.
Once the drug is discontinued the constipation and other negative effects should dissipate.
If your question is "will I totally screw up my body by taking codeine this way?" the answer is probably not.
Assuming you are not mixing with alcohol and other drugs.

The worst thing I find with codeiene and opiates is not being able to finish the job when love making.A bit of a turn off for my wife.Other than that no complaints.

Codeine is thought to be more constipating than Hydro. Maybe some of you medical geniuses can tell us why. It is great for calming the digestive track, esp. diarrhea. However, when taken at the above quantity, it is a quick ticket to having impacted stool. This can require a trip to the ER and having all kinds of fun or scary procedures, such as manual removal or surgery. So, no, I would not say there is no long term effects from this usage, unless you don't mind living without your colon. One person had to havfe a section removed. If you are using codeine with any degree of regularity (no pun intended) as your doc about a stool softener such as Colace.

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Thanks for your support

This forum is not to discuss suppliers. This thread is to discuss codeine and not the companies offering it.

Thanks for your support

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This forum is not to discuss suppliers. This thread is to discuss codeine and not the companies offering it.

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The REAL codeine causes me to have esophageal spasms. They are VERY intense and EXTREMELY painful - so painful that the first time I had them, I was quickly rushed by ambulance to the nearest ER because the pain and symptoms are the same as a heart attack. I would recommend that anyone taking codeine for the first time in any form use caution, especially if you have any type of GERD or reflux issues.