For fish... go slow... the method is to help wean with valium.... try www.benzo.org and try not to take a lot of klono... you do not need that much and it is easy to try to get high... klono is also good with Tramadol... but don't try detoxing with Tramadol because it does not work... believe it or not, pot is good along with a benzo for detox...

For fish also, save the xanax for another day when you may need it... klono is good and you probably do not need the xanax at the level you are taking the klono 4mg... I did hear xanax is hard to come off, but klono should take care of it... klono is very strong and effective

today my pain doc put me on Klonopin 1mg and i take 1/2 in the am and another 1/2 in mid day and one pill at bedtime...so i have only taken the one tonight and i feel nothing...she told me it would help with my pain as well as my stress related issues and to stop taking the 2mg of xanax which i did awhile ago with no problems....has anyone ever been rxed this med to help with pain?? I have Fibro and with this colder weather comming on the pain has gotten 100 times worse.....i am also taking percs 10/325 4x day along with avinza 60mg 2 times a day...any info would be great. TIA

seen prices at beachrx.com under $100 for 90 day supplies fyi clonaz and poker nice match

I was put on Klonopin when I was detoxing from opiates once. I t was given to me for sleep, and so I only took it at night. It worked well for that at higher dosages than was prescribed.
I was taking something else for anxiety, so I'm not sure if Klonopin helped with that or not. But I know it didn't help with my pain, because I was in a lot of it!

Pm Me please about this and where to get that is dependable and good price and no physical exam stuff. Any other info... I consider myself an expert since I have been taking it since 1996 as prescribed (but may have to move). I used to have uncontrollable heart palpitations and this drug got rid of that, got rid of panic attacks, no more anxiety, no more agoraphobia, no more insomnia, no more restless legs, no more high blodod pressure (Tramadol and klono in small doses is GREAT in lowering blood pressure)plus my thinking is very fast and it slowed down to the point of being able to write and think very clearly. My doc's point is: don't fix it if it ain't broke. I have also come off and know how to do that and what it feels like.

Hey, this one is like a miracle med. The only side effect that one guy said once about benzos is that there is addiction and it is a pain to come off.

This is NOT a pain med.

Give and take here... if you want cloudy and hungover, try the legal drug: alcohol. I'd say that's the worst drug I've ever taken.

With klono, what would you rather have... some morning cloudiness or terrible anxiety? Since you have taken it for 15 years, your choice is clear.

Agree with DSM on this one. Do you realize how many people smoke cigarettes (an admitted poison) for life or how many people imbibe cocktails for life. My dad's liver muct look like jelly after all that alcohol that he and ALL of those his age have drank over the years.

As such, given a choice of alcohol or cigarettes or klonopin for a lifetime, I would choose klonopin in a second. Try wd from cigarettes if you want a doozy. I remember that it was so bad for my mom that she even considered smoking pot. Some people get "woozy" from benzos, but I don't. I get woozy from cigarettes and excessive alcohol causes face down crashing after throwing up. It's all in the individual chemistry!

my doc stated it would help with the jerkin gin my muscles that are causing some of the pain which it has after a few days of usage but i have notices after just taking 1mg at night about 2 hours before i go to bed i can not remember anything at all the next day of those 2 hours before i went to bed....it seems like i have amnesia and the next day i feel drunk for about half the day. i called my pain doc about this and they just said i have to give it some time for my body to get used to it but i can not feel like this and do this with 2 small children because i can even be woken after taking it and being a single mom if my kids got sick in the night or anything i wouldnt know because i couldnt wake up...to me this drug is scary for the side effects it is giving to me but then again it is helping out alot with the jerking of my muscles...it a lose-lose situation with me.....i think i am just going to stop taking ll meds even pain meds and just see how i do with just the water therapy and herbal therapy. any suggestions?? TIA

Re: Klonopin for pain. I was originally prescribed this medication for anxiety disorder and post-traumatic stress (they both amount to the same thing: paralyzing anxiety), but I've found that they also do help me with some awful lower back pain.
Also, I get attacks of vertigo a couple of times a year, and recently had a bad bout, and I found that the benzo helped lessen the vertigo.
It wasn't until I went onto the internet to do some research on inner ear problems that I found out benzos are sometimes prescribed to treat these conditions. So now I understand how they've helped me cope with vertigo and when that improves, just the general dizziness that remains. If I don't take the clonazepam, I'll experience more severe dizziness.
I need to go get my ears checked, but in the meantime, this medication is helping me with my anxiety and also my inner ear problems...and my back pain. I suppose with my back, the benzo relaxes the muscles, and keeps them from seizing up. Makes sense. So I guess in some ways benzos are helpful for managing pain if the medication hinders whatever it is that's causing pain in the first place.

How long have you been on the clonazepam? If it's only been a few days like your post states (this means all benzos, not just clonazepam) then quitting shouldn't be a problem.. but I ask this for 2 reasons: first, if you've been taking it for more than a few weeks you REALLY shouldn't just stop taking it abruptly. Among other things, the drug helps control seizures so if you quit cold-turkey you are left with a higher chance of having a seizure until your body readjusts and your chemistry returns to "normal." A second reason I ask is that the amnesia effect & also the morning hangover of sorts should go away after a few weeks of daily use. I used to use benzos to help with my insomnia but after 15+ years of being on them daily that aspect is long gone. For most folks, a few weeks' daily useage is long enough for this to happen and they return for the most part to normal functioning in the morning and throughout the day. Benzos may have a general negative affect on your ability to recall things, especially when you first start taking them, but for the most part it's minor (unless you're talking about benzos made for amnesia such as Versed which is used, among other reasons, so that you can be awake during an operation and not remember any of it ( generic name midazolam: an injectable or tablet form of benzodiazepine (trade name Versed) useful for sedation and for reducing pain during uncomfortable medical procedures http://www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn ).

The grogginess & poor lack of memory recall should fade unless you keep upping your dose or are hyper-sensitive to the med (or your dosage is too high and you probably need to inform your doc & see if your dose is just too high or whether a different med might work better for you. Anyway you look at it, if it's affecting your memory that badly and/or you continue struggling with daily hangovers then something needs to change or at least be investigated.

As to quitting all meds, i'd absolutely run that past your doc before doing such a thing... you may not like taking meds all the time, but if you stop the wrong meds you may end up in worse shape than you already are which is a Very Bad Thing indeed. Herbal therapy can work, depending on the herbs being used of course (i'm a medical herbal user myself, so I have a little knowledge on what is effective and what's bunk.) For me, the combo between my herbal med/suppliment and my clonazepam and pain meds works like a miracle. The herbs do wonders for regulating my system & sleep cycle and seems to have a synergistic effect with both my benzos and pain meds. Or maybe it's just placebo at work and i'm falling for it. Regardless, it works miracles for me. GOOD LUCK with the water therapy though.... I am not sure of the specifics, but somehow I don't think it'd do me much good other than maybe to wash out a wound or to kill my thirst. If I were going to attempt this, I think i'd give it a shot BEFORE finishing off the last of the meds so if it turns into another "looks great on paper but not in practice" situation you still have your meds to fall back on for relief. Sure beats relying on an untested idea that, if it backfires, you're going to be hurting badly or worse. Good luck to you and everyone facing these decisions because we all know it ain't easy.....

Personally, I'm hoping for a delivery from p-w very soon. Been almost 3 weeks, give or take day or 2, which is the longest i've had to wait for these folks. Although, int'l mail is notoriously slow during the christmas season (yeah, call me un-pc... I actually said Christmas and I don't care) so i wouldn't be surprised if it takes 45 days or longer. I sure hope not otherwise i'll be up that proverbial creek...



Rev. Listvøer (that's me! Look it up sometime)

i have been on this med a little over a week and still the same effects i have even cut the 1mg tab in half and get the same results which i never got with xanax but the panic attacks i was having topped so my doc took me off the med and luckily i havent had one yet but i wasnt having panic attacks all the time like alot of you guys...i am so confused on all this and my mind isnt ight when i am taking all of these meds i just dont feel myself anymore

Can someone please tell me how 2mg clonazepam compares to 10mg diazepam. I have read that it has a shorter half-life, but it has been years since I have taken it myself.

Dr. seems to think I can take the 2mg. Does this sound right to anyone? I take 5mg to 10mg valium at night as needed, and during the day only when I am having excessive anxiety. They act in a subtle manner (for me) and I can function as necessary. Should I start with half? I don't want to be knocked for a loop (Xanax bars do that to me and I don't like it).

Thanks for any advice...I think you guys are great and pay WAY more attention to questions than my doc.

Wishing that some DBers would go into medical practice .

Have a pain/anxiety free day!

Thanks,

BB

Here is some really good reading if you want:
http://www.benzo.org.uk/manual/index.htm

emtp3,

Thanks for the link, I'll see what I can make of it. I appreciate your help.

BB

Could anybody let me know where they have found the best prices for 2mg pills on this site? My best so far on another site is 198$ for 200 pills. Also a trustworthy source. Thanks, Mike

I'm sorry I don't have that info, but I have question about Clonazepam - Klonopin. Is it mostly for seizures? I think my DR. prescribed them for migraines. The description sheet said that they were for seizures and would cause drowsiness so I didn't try them. Have you heard of them being used in this way?

First i have heard of a benzo being used for migranes. But i am not a dr.

I had/have an issue with a PTSD issue, and I've been taking xanax, i'ts just that it wears off so quickly. THe good thing I can say about it, is it relaxes you and the anxiety goes away but it's notable to people you are on it. My friends can tell and tell me I seem alot calmer, it just doesnt last that long and why im switching to klonopin. Strangely on these benzos I've noticed I've gotten better at my chess game, might have to do with anxiety being released but I can't play punk music on guitar anymore, it's too fast on xanax. I'm convinced mozart had maniacal episodes like this he sublimated and not all psychological abnormalities are purely negative, another example is the reclusive author. But im rambling....

Vanity of vanities the whole thing is a vain parade. It has no meaning.

Klonopin helps with anxiety somewhat. It's not the best and I can still feel the anxiety in the background. It makes you peacefull if not outrright sleepy. 2 mg seems too be too stong and divide the doses into halfs. I'm a quiet guy suffering from PTSD and this just makes me even more quiet. It works adaquetly for anxiety relief and great for a good nights sleep. It doesn't feel good though and would rather not be on it. Drugs only mask the problem.

God bless you guys and I hope my two cents provided some words of wisdom.

Just some general info about benzos:

I was addicted for about a year to xanax. It sucked. I dont remember about 6 months of my life and trying to go off of them cold turkey was pure hell. Like the worse thing that has ever happened to me.Times 1000. It really really really sucked.

I finally switched to klonopin and halved my dose every three days till i was down to a little tiny sliver of a pill (a 2mg pill lasted me ten days)- then just had a six pack of beer around so i could drink one when i felt the panic and fear come on. I was all good and clean in like a month without freaking out once.

Here is some seriously good Nfo on benzos:

http://www.benzo.org.uk/FAQ1.1.htm

Klonipin is much safer /less addicting drug. I would recommend it for anyone that it works for. As they say"
Xanax..........(The mother of all (Benzo's)...). Dont use it unless absolutley needed!!!

I have taken almost all the benzo's (30 years). I concur on the positives of Klonopin, and the ill effects of Valium, Xanax, Ativan and so, at least for me. The tendency to want to abuse them and not Klonopin, but received the same or actually better relief, without the ups and downs of relief caused by the shorter half lives of Xanax and Lorazepam 12-18 hrs(Ativan).

Very true... I was/am on klonipin, but recently thought i'd try to switch over to Valium again (due to $ and logistical problems) and the usual issues seem to be coming back, such as that old anticipatory anxiety and the memory affection, so I fully intend to switch back to klonipin as soon as I can find another source that doesn't charge an arm and a leg or require me to buy and deposit friggin' GOLD in an an account thru an online gold broker! eGold, and I thought WU was a pain . At the moment the best supposedly reliable source for clonazepam (the ingredient in Klonipin/Rivotril of course - clonazepam) that i've found charges about $150-$175 once shipping/W.U. fees are factored in. That's for 150 Indian-made generic tabs with which I have had terrible luck potency-wise. I had been using Judy at pharmacy wholesaler with the much better deal of 300 roche-brand 2mg tabs for around $160 so it kills me to pay twice the price for half the meds that seem to be half the strength to boot.

Switching from Klonipin to Valium is interesting, as i've been on so many different benzos over the years that my system is apparently in a complete state of anarchy when it comes to benzo tolerance. Valium mostly does the trick, as long as I take about 20-30mg of Valium in substitute of 2-3 mg of Klonipin, but too often I feel the great urge to take 'just 1 more' valium because I still feel just a little "off kilter" (some of you know what I mean i'm sure). But if I take just .5 - 1 mg of klonipin from my small emergency supply that urge quickly goes away. Now I remember why I like klonipin and stayed with it for so long after trying just about everything - xanax, valium, ativan, mogadon, bromazepam, serax, rohyypnol, and more such as triazolam and midazolam which pretty much just knocks you off your feet. With the klonipin everything seems stable with no desire to add to the dosage. On the rare occasion that happens I feel stupid because it doesn't feel any different except that it might make me sleepy so IMO i just wasted hard-acquired meds needlessly. My advice to anyone 'fighting' with benzos would be to try klonipin as the consensus seems to be that it's the least tempting of the bunch. IME I would have to call it the opposite of xanax in that regard !

Good luck to all... I can't wait to finish this latest Valium order and get back onto klonipin again! I loathe the idea of depending on a med for any long-term period, but if it has to be one, and a benzo at that, klonipin seems like the safest option for me.

L

FYI, I had a psy. Dr. prescribe this to me as part of treatment to detox from long-term valium (mostly the V-cut)use and abuse.
I believe the long half-life is the reason for using it, and that was about 10yrs ago and as out-patient. It will help if you are trying to stop or tamping off benos, mainly valium, use.

HB

I have a very nice doctor and called him the other day and told him about my sleeping/anxiety issues increasing and he called in a prescription for klonopin the same day.Anyway, with my limited experience with benzos, I like klonopin the best so far.

I'm also on Lamictal (for mood swings/possible bipolar)
and 400 mg a day of bupropion (wellbutrin)

I've tried xanax (which is crazy and makes you want to take it all the time because you feel so good, even though you're totally out of touch with reality)

I've tried valium (works well, but still made me feel a little out of reality)

Tried ativan (horrible, did nothing for me)

Klonopin for three days now and I've liked it a lot. I take .5 at night and have found it much more potent than expected. Takes a little longer to kick in, allows me to maintain normal brain function and fades out of the body slowly. I sleep nicely, but don't wake up in a total haze, and find that it controls my anxiety and extreme irritability during the day because of the long half life....doctor told me to take another .5 or 1mg if needed during the day, but to be reasonable. All in all, it seems to be the best combo with all the different drugs I'm on right now. Daytime mood and energy has actually improved during the day, once the initial grogginess wears off. I'm 23 years old now and in college, so I use my memory and concentration every day and have had no problems. It sucks being 23 and likely being on at least one of these drugs for the rest of my life, likely the lamictal....I think its saved my life, pharmaceutical companies aren't so evil. But, thats another thread.