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#81835 - 12/08/05 12:43 PM
Re: Clonazepam - Klonopin
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Journeyman
Registered: 09/29/05
Posts: 74
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i think it is a miracle drug. i believe it has saved my life. at first when i moved and went to antoehr psych, i was EXTREMELY pissed about her taking me off xanax and putting me on klonopin. now, several years later i think she saved my life, by introducing me to one of the ONLY drugs that helps me in anyway. after using them as prescribed they are basically impossible to abuse, as a 2 mg dose will feel the same as a 10 mg dose. there is no high. you are jsut calm. i love it. and it creats a stable blood level so you never go up or down. thats why there is no *high* i think. 2 years on 2 mgs and have never needed to up the dose, unlike xanax which i felt i needed to up daily. definatly the methadone of benzos, and the easiest to get prescribed. i see no difference in taking klonopin your whole life, or taking asprin or a blood pressure pill, or an antipsychotic for a psychotic person, your whole life. if it works, then why not just use it and quit worrying about addiction. everybody is dependent on something. that is different than addiction. i think addiction means seeking more and more to try and regain those initial recreational effects, or avoid withdrawls. dependency is a WHOLE different issue. some people just happen to need medication their whole lives. my grandma has been on xanax for 25 years and she will be till the day she dies. she has never upped her dose and it causes her no ill effects. just helps her get through the day. just my 2 cents, but i would strongly recomend this drug to anyone suffering anxiety or panic. peace everyone
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#81839 - 12/08/05 06:25 PM
Re: Clonazepam - Klonopin
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Threadhead
Registered: 02/26/05
Posts: 656
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Good for You! I am on a low dose of xanax and afraid of its long term consequences. I had read other good thing about Klonopin. Maybe I'll go that way. Decades ago I was a big V user. Thank God I didn't get too dependent.
Just wanted to say that if you do decide to go off your Xanax for good then you should take Klonopin...due to risk of seizure when Xanax is suddenly stopped! Klonopin is also prescribed for seizures, but you probably already know this already!
Klonopin also carries a risk of seizures if you abruptly stop taking it.
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#81848 - 01/22/06 11:21 PM
Re: Clonazepam - Klonopin
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Pooh-Bah
Registered: 11/06/04
Posts: 818
Loc: Gone with the wind.....,sigh
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Dae~ I was prescribed clonazepam for anxiety/panic attacks. I never had "twiching", so I can not comment on that. They did work well for the issues I was prescribed though. From what I read in previous posts, I thought valium was mentioned for that, but I could be wrong, wouldn't be the first time. lol! Why don't you "search", or confer with another user more familiar with it's use. There is a new, pricey, RX, dealing with that particular issue, just can't reacall the name... Good luck, kts PS~ Still can't recall the new drug name, that deals primarily with Restless Leg Syndrome. But, in searching (Google), twitches, there is all kinds of suggestions, ranging rom supplements, calcium, magnesium, iron, etc... to flexeril. Happy Googling, and Good Luck! 
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#81850 - 01/23/06 04:03 AM
Re: Clonazepam - Klonopin
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Veteran
Registered: 01/14/04
Posts: 453
Loc: New America
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how long do you all think that klonopin gives relief ( i mean how many hours) i know its half life is at LEAST 18 hours but do you people get relief for this long? i have noticed other people state they only feel the anxiolytic effect for eight hours, but i personally take my whole dose in the morning just once a day and i think it works great....any opinions?
I know some folks who can happily get away with a single dose before bed or at breakfast but my metabolism is incredibly fast so I need to take 2mg 3 times a day for relief.
To anyone curious about Klonipin, there's not much to it so I wouldn't get too excited. That is, unless you are excited by a med that you can barely tell you took because it's felt effects are much lower than most of the other benzos. It is still a very strong benzo, but after taking it regularly for more than a week or so and it begins to work fairly transparently. It IS a very powerful drug though, and if you run out and don't have more, it's w/d's are just as ugly as most other benzos.
That's why I like it though, it just works w/o making me want to take more (unlike xanax or ativan or some of the others)...
Good luck..
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#81851 - 01/23/06 04:24 AM
Re: Clonazepam - Klonopin
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Veteran
Registered: 01/14/04
Posts: 453
Loc: New America
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This is the ending of another post. Probably better placed here. I've read through these threads but am looking specifically for those whom have used both valium and klonopin--
How would you compare the two? Having used valium (and a long-term low-dose stint with xanax, now basically discontiuned due to short half life) the curiousity 'n brouhaha over clonazepam is killin' me ...
Merry Merry to ALL
-Bren
I have used Valium 10 mg for several months at a time, high doses. I got to where it would take 4 of the blues to just to give some relaxation. Of course anything can be abused--and back then (early nineties) I was a bit out of control.
I have never 'abused' K in this way. It would wreck me for entire DAY or more!!! In fact, the most important differnces between the two are potency (K is much more potent) and duration of action (K is roughly 2-3 times longer lasting).
HTH,
Stits
Good info, i've been on valium off and on for decades and have been on klonipin long enough to have taken a few thousand of them, so i'd say that the main differences (besides strength per-pill) is that Valium has much more of a muscle-relaxing effect that often gives new users 'good' feelings' that lead to habitual use, but IMO it's the best benzo to taper with due to its easy & cheap availability and quite low strength. As stits said, Klonipin is much stronger than Valium, actually about the same strength as xaxax. Most compairison charts show .5mg of klonipin/xanax/ativan is roughly equal to 10mg of valium, so if you were taking 4 10mg valium you were effectively taking the same as about 2mg of xanax neither of which I would call a high dose. When I occasionally switch from klonipin back to valium to get my tolerance lower, I initially have to take around 8 - 10 blue valium a day to equal the 'healing power' of klonipin 2mg 3 times a day. It sure makes a 300-count order of valium go fast! I do differ from stits in that no matter how much (within reason!) klonipin I take, I feel nothing but possibly sleepy. The most i've ever taken was about 14 mg of klonipin at one time and I personally couldn't tell the difference between that & my regualar dose except for it doing it's usual job. That's another thing I like about Klonipin, I have no desire to 'just take 1 more' because even if I take 10 more I still won't feel any different other than possible anger that I wasted that many at once. Maybe a little bit more sleepy, but most likely not even that. But then, 10mg of xanax doesn't really bother me either while most folks I know are asleep on the couch 30 minutes after taking 1 or 2 mg of xanax..
I don't take opiates regularly either, but when the rare occasion rises I need to take 50-60mg of hydro or 60-80mg of oxy to even feel it working... and i've NEVER abused opiates and 99% of the year my body is opiate (and opiate tolerance) free yet first dose and the rest have to be 5x as much as it should. Weird... and darn expensive when I need it!
HTH
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#81853 - 01/23/06 04:46 AM
Re: Clonazepam - Klonopin
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Veteran
Registered: 01/14/04
Posts: 453
Loc: New America
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I was given Klonopin in use with my pain meds for my muscle jerking....I took 2mg only at night for a total of 2 weeks and all it did for me was knock me out and almost the whole day after taking it i will still a zombie...my body didnt adjust too well to the medication and I didnt like feeling that way so I have about 200 pills of it that do me no good....I still have the jerking in all my muscles so should i try it again and give it a little longer to see if that feeling wears off and goes away? I stopped taking it several months ago but this jerking is really keeping me up all night long. thanks
Something to consider - you say you took 'only' 2mg of klonipin at night, but honestly if you have little or no tolerance to benzos, or are particularly sensitive to them, that's a fairly high starting dose. 2mg is the biggest klonipin pill available, and many people are able to get by very well just taking the .25 or .5 mg klonipin wafers. If it were me, i'd probably try again, but this time cut those 2mg tabs into 4 pieces and just take one of them. That is still equal to about 10mg of valium, so if that's a strong dose for you it's possible to cut that 1/4 piece in half if you're reeeally careful. I would say the hangover-effect you were feeling was caused by you being on a dose much higher than you needed to be on. Just my 2 very devalued cents of course..
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#81854 - 01/23/06 02:05 PM
Re: Clonazepam - Klonopin is a MIRACLE CURE!!
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Newbie
Registered: 12/15/04
Posts: 38
Loc: Pluto
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I love Klonipin! After years of problems sleeping- twitching, legs jumping, thrashing, kicking, hitting, night mares, night terrors, talking and screaming in my sleep, this medicine is a miracle!
I cant believe it took ten years (i am 34 now) to realize it was a problem and it was not 'all in my head' like some docs made me feel. Last month my Pain Mngmt doc prescribed it. WOW. No hangover effect, unless i take 2 pills.
Docs are funny, some plain stupid. Ive told other docs of my problems with sleep, and no one would prescribe anything.. or the med just did not help. Last year i told my primary care doc of problem, i asked to try Ambien, and he called in Trazadone, i told him that stuff did not work in past so why bother? He is an ignorant jerk. When i was in my 20's i used Atarax, good results, but causes me to sleepwalk and forget where i am.
The first time i took Klonipin, i woke up laying exacly as i was when i went to bed.. Felt like i had really slept for once! I use alot of pillows inder my legs, etc.. and they were all where i left them. Usually the pillows and blankets are tossed all about the room. And my hubby even noticed! I am glad i found relief, especially for my hubby, as my restless leep was keeping him awake,, really was bugging the poor guy.I would move around too much and i have even kicked and punched him ( not just an accident - i remember dreaming and fighting sometimes) and he doesnt have to wake up with a black eye anymore! and im not afraid sleep next to him anymore.. it was so bad that i would leave the bed to sleep on couch. Things were real bad.. scary too. my dreams were so intense and real that i was having problems separting reality and what i dreamed, i know it sounds stupid but its like what i dreamed really happened.
And i would 'wake up' and see 'apparitions' or a'demon-looking' black figure at the end of my bed on more than one occasion, no matter where i was or who i was with. I know I am not crazy, just have a very active imagination.
Klonopin: i love you. And especially my new doctor for saving me!
With all the problems with the "new generation' of 'safe' 'non narcotic' pills, i think ill just stick with the good, old fashioned, natural, narcotics!! if it makes the pain go away, and it works, whos to say im an addict?? howcome i wasnt an addict before, when i was taking 10 -20 advils every day, drinking whiskey, pain, banging my head into walls cause the pain in neck and head was so intense? What is safer: advil, jack daniels, and head smashing, or oxycodone, no head smashing, and no booze, since i have no more desire to drink away the misery and pain??
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have a great day. thanks for your time.
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