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#80662 - 08/22/04 09:32 AM
Re: Valium - Diazepam
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Registered: 07/10/04
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First off, I am not a doctor, and 2nd, individuals vary a bit too much in their responses to different benzos for me to comment much.
I suggested Klonopin because out of all the benzos it's the one I see most often recommended for your problem. The main difference from Valium is that Valium has an extremely long half-life, plus it has an active metabolite which lasts in your body for up to several days. Heavy stuff. Klonopin has a faily long half-life, so it can be taken just once or twice daily, but not nearly as long as Valium.
Any of these drugs are going to be very difficult for you to get off of, given what you wrote in your first posts about predeliction towards addiction, and I suggest you try more alternatives before using benzos without a doctors supervision.--
I would have to disagree with one part of this (just disagree, not say you're wrong  ) Klonopin is most often prescribed for seizures or psychiatric conditions. It's half-life is on the order of 30-60 hours! Temazepam (Restoril) is primarily for insomnia (half-life of 8-20 hours) . By the way, it's a metabolite of Valium, oddly enough. Others include triazolam (Halcion; half-life of 1.505 hours), flurazepam (Dalmane; half life of 1-4 hours, but there's a metabolite that may or may not be active that stays around for a while), and very occasionally, midazolam (Don't know the trade name; half-life of 1-4 hours).
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#80663 - 10/07/04 10:24 AM
Re: Valium - Diazepam
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Registered: 10/01/04
Posts: 321
Loc: Southern
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My mother says people dont get tolerance to anti-depressants nor do they withdrawal. I personally think thats a bunch of balony...wouldnt one withdrawal from any chemical, including anti-depressants? Please someone clear this up for me.
As I said, I don't really want to comment further as I am neither a doctor nor an expert. But I have to address your mother's definite mis-information re: withdrawal from SSRI's. This is quoted from rxlist.com:
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Discontinuation of Treatment with LEXAPRO
During marketing of Lexapro and other SSRIs and SNRIs (Serotonin and Norepinephrine Reuptake Inhibitors), there have been spontaneous reports of adverse events occurring upon discontinuation of these drugs, particularly when abrupt, including the following: dysphoric mood, irritability, agitation, dizziness, sensory disturbances (e.g., paresthesias such as electric shock sensations), anxiety, confusion, headache, lethargy, emotional lability, insomnia, and hypomania. While these events are generally self-limiting, there have been reports of serious discontinuation symptoms.
Patients should be monitored for these symptoms when discontinuing treatment with LEXAPRO. A gradual reduction in the dose rather than abrupt cessation is recommended whenever possible. If intolerable symptoms occur following a decrease in the dose or upon discontinuation of treatment, then resuming the previously prescribed dose may be considered. Subsequently, the physician may continue decreasing the dose but at a more gradual rate (see DOSAGE AND ADMINISTRATION).
I know next to nothing about Restoril, but it being a benzodiazepine, I'd assume it causes dependance as do the others.
Good luck, I hope you are able to fix all this - since it's going to be a big issue for you in the immediate future, I suggest you spend some time reading about the problems you've been diagnosed with, and the different treatments for them. Then talk about it with your doctor some more, armed with information, if you feel you are not getting the proper medication/treatment.
I have had HORRIBLE withdrawls from BOTH PAXIL & PAXIL CR. i was in bed sicker than a dog for 2 weeks then took 2 months to get my head back to feeling normal. My doctor has always told me there isnt tolerance/withdrawls to anti- depressents which si what everyone always tells me but they are horribly wrong.
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#80665 - 10/28/04 08:56 PM
Re: Valium - Diazepam
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Registered: 10/02/04
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I have been using a few brands of generic valiums for some time.
This week I switched to Roche.
IMO Roche is better by far, I wish I had not been so cheap and bought generics. I will never go back to generic valiums.
Roche all the way.
Peace
US Roche, or international?
Noah
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#80672 - 10/29/04 04:30 PM
Re: Valium - Diazepam
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Registered: 03/11/04
Posts: 191
Loc: San Fran Bay Area, Calif
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Has anyone here tried injecting valium?
I was injected with vallium many times in ER due to spasms. It's usually given IM but if they had a line in would do IV. Never burned. But by that time I usually had 20mg of MS into me also.
IV = 2 minute effect, IM = 10 min come on. The best thing for muscle spasms.
Personally, I dont mind waiting the 30-40 min for an oral dose to take effect - but 10mg IV or IM seems stronger
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#80673 - 10/30/04 06:21 AM
Re: Valium - Diazepam
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Registered: 03/11/03
Posts: 399
Loc: East Coast
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I meant to say that I had the ampules, not vials -which are a little harder to work with. They are Roche brand, and within the expiration date, but the times I've tried it, I've never felt it. I first used an insulin syringe intramuscularly, but it didn't work well at all. I think valium is more viscous than insulin solutions, because it didn't want to go up in the needle.
After a couple of failed attempts, I turned to the internet to get "real" syringes. I am sort of a queasy person, so I bought the needles with the smallest gauge number, not realizing that smaller #'s = fatter needles. Now these suckers were BIG, and I have SMALL veins! The last time I had surgery, they had to use a pediatric needle to start an IV.
Still wanting to "play doctor," I practiced trying to stick the needle in a vein. A few times, I was able to draw blood up through the syringe, so I thought I knew what I was doing. When I tried to inject intravenously, however, it burned, burned, burned!!!! A knot developed at the site of injection, and it felt like I had been hit in the arm. Ouch!
Needless to say, I will now only take valium per os!
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#80680 - 02/01/05 05:11 AM
Re: Valium - Diazepam
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Registered: 12/24/04
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Loc: U.S NorthWest
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I know out of ignorance I did not think just taking one 10mg valium per day that I was not addicted ,I found out differnt when I stopped taking them ,I did not get seizures, however the uneasy feeling of wanting to jump out of my own skin and the complete inability to sleep was driving near the edge of insanity. I tired sevral differant sleep aids ,to help me get some releif fron this nightmare and nothing would work untill I took something in the benzo family. I feel bad now cause a friend of mine who swore he ,like me only took one 10mg blue valium a day was going thru withdrawals ,I did not believe him and accused him of taking more then he would admit ,in the end he had the last laugh ,when called him up and told him what I was going thru when trying to stop taking that one valium per day .The HMO I belong to the Doctors will not even perscribe it to you if you where to hang onto their leg and begging for help .They will tell you they are to addictive ,well N/S ! Its a trip you dont want to take, if you have'nt started,dont ,if its to late ,Iam not the person to give you advice , cause Iam back to taking at least one perday and now have more stress then ever worrying about running out again ! 
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#80688 - 04/12/05 01:32 PM
Re: Valium - Diazepam
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Registered: 05/17/02
Posts: 202
Loc: WI
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I am absolutely blown away that someone would actually risk their safety by attempting to fill up a syringe and then shot the med into their vein. Then he actually said that an attempt was made to draw his own blood. Good God! I am sorry but i am always frightened when a nurse or phlebotomist(sp?) takes my blood. I am sorry if I sound wacked but as I read that post and then the following posts I was blown away at the lack of comments regarding giving yourself injections. I mean someone said that there is a possibility that an air bubble could appear and could be very dangerous! But that was it. I do hope for the person who wrote that he injects the med into their own vein that he ( well actually it coul dbe a girl that posted, sorry if that is the case. I dont know why I did not check your profile before writing this but for some reason my subconscious just defaulted to male) anyway....as I was saying....I do hope that the person that posted about his/her injections rethinks the whole thing and finally realizes that the dangers of doing that to yourself most definetely out weighs the positives. Just take a higher dose in pill form. Sorry if I sound preachy but in high school i had a close friend that went from smoking pot to experimenting with cocaine and then moved on to smoking crack and eventually at a party went ahead and tried shooting heroin. I slowly but surely lost contact with her because she was always asking to borrow money from me and then one day at my house she stole $200 from my moms purse. That was it i had had it. Because of that I told her she needed to quit and get help or i would not see her anymore. Apparently the lure of the drug overruled everything else in her live, and that meant me!! I will always feel guilty for that because 2 weeks later she was in the bathroom at school and in the stall shot up her final dose of H. What I remember being told is that she developed a huge air bubble that did something like lodged itself near ir in her heart (I do not remember exact details especially since i still try to block it out) and she died. All alone in the bathroom stall, she died. So even though those drugs seemed to be killing her it ended up being the needle that took her out. I will never forgive myself for not going to her parents but I still am unsure why they did not figure it out themselve. Anyway, sorry for the rant and I know the subject of my post (Heroin) is a world away from shooting anti anxiety meds into ones veins, but because i lost a dear friend I will always tell someone that is opting to shoot anything into their body themselves, the story of Jennifer, that way they realize that something as benign as valium or whatever was being dosed into your veins can be as lethal as shooting up Heroin into your veins. OK, that enough of my preachyness (I just made up a word), please do not take this message the wrong way, I really just wanted to share that story so others realize the dangers that are involved in self medicating with needles.
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#80690 - 04/30/05 02:46 PM
Re: Valium - Diazepam
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Registered: 10/10/04
Posts: 627
Loc: onafarm
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I just read the above posts and have to agree with member "NFR" and his comments about getting off Valium. I am now going through withdrawal hell but am now reading more about what I wish I had read before taking 10 mg a day for the last two months. It's something I wouldn't wish on a worse enemy. I actually didn't realize I was having the DT's when I abruptly stopped and it hit me about a few days later. I thought I was going to die and actually wanted to because the feeling was so terrible. Thankfully I have enough on hand to taper off and get off this nightmare. If you only take Valium on occassion it might be ok and you will probably never notice any withdrawals. Though it's like a snake in the grass and may get you when you least expect. I always had Valium on hand for emergencies and didn't take it frequently then a couple of months ago I was having problems in my life that I thought would get me through ok by taking a Valium a day. Please don't go there and if you do just make sure you have a supply to take you through the withdrawals. Valium 10mg can have a half life of 200 hrs. That's about 8 days!! A half life for each one you take! Thank God I'm feeling a bit better and the tapering off and eating properly has helped me this far. It's only been a week but I know now that I will never let this happen again. Please anyone taking Valium right now read up on the problems with getting off this drug. It's a very serious thing and if you try to stop without a supply it can lead to seizures and "DEATH". Just the feeling you'll get will make you want to die. I don't mean to preach to anyone but just want to pass on my own current experience. Take care of yourselves.
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