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#80641 - 07/22/04 10:31 AM
Re: Valium - Diazepam
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Journeyman
Registered: 07/15/04
Posts: 46
Loc: New Jersey, USA
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After two years of daily Tramadol use which let to about 18 months of Tramadol abuse, I have been plagued with servere anxiety. This anxiety is the main reason why I cannot fall asleep at night. I have very prominent insomnia since the day I have tapered off of Tramadol about 3 weeks ago. I have reached my limits and I cannot suffer like this anymore. I just recently spoke with my psychiatrist he basically told me to give him a call in another few weeks if Im still suffering from servere anxiety and insomnia. I really feel like I cant go a few weeks like this without eventually giving into my psychological addiction or self-medicating with some sort of sleep-aid or anti-anxiety agent. I have tried Busparione, Sonata, and Ambien. None of which relieved anxiety and enduced sleep. When they did enduce sleep I would wake up feeling hungover, achy, tired, irritable, and generally uncomfortable which just prolongs the problem, and suffering. I have never used an anti-anxiety agent beside buspar. I have never used a benzo before as well, as I never suffered from severe anxiety in my life. I was diagnosed with ADHD and a mild condition of OCD. Around age 10 I stopped taking Clonidine and Adderall, as I was not suffering the indications of either of the ADHD or OCD no longer. When I turned 16 I began using Ultram for a minor motorcycle accident I had been in, After about a month of use I really found I enjoyed the drug and since have been addicted, especially psychologically. I went through a pretty bad withdrawal for about 3-5 days last month, now im left with this severe anxiety and insomnia. Well, that is my situation, Im thinking of self-medicating with Valium in the near future if this problem does not subside. Not sure if its the right decision or what kind of side effects such drugs carry. Any suggestions are welcome and would be highly appreciated. Im really new to anxiety, insomnia, and restlessness so any information, insight, suggestions would be great. Best Wishes, Anthony
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#80646 - 07/23/04 12:28 PM
Re: Valium - Diazepam
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Journeyman
Registered: 07/15/04
Posts: 46
Loc: New Jersey, USA
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Hello first off, thanks for all of your help. Truly good to know there are those who care, and are willing to share helpful suggestions. I was prescribed Temazepam 15mg #30's and 10mg Lexapro daily for 1 month. He told me I was highly obsessive compulsive and suffering extreme depression, anxiety. I will be paying $16.50 for 30 tablets of temazepam...which I believe is resortil, is that cheap compared to IOPs and OPs? Ive always been afraid of anti-depressents especially SSRI"s.....wont I just withdrawal from this drug as well as the temazepam once I have to stop use. I feel hopeless now...I feel like I would rather take 1-2 Tramadol daily instead to fix the depression, anxiety, insomnia, and related symptoms, problems. My mother says people dont get tolerance to anti-depressants nor do they withdrawal. I personally think thats a bunch of balony...wouldnt one withdrawal from any chemical, including anti-depressants? Please someone clear this up for me. lastly, how does temazepam compare to other benzos, like valium, klonopin, xanax? Best wishes, Anthony Again thanks a million for all the support. really helps 
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#80647 - 07/23/04 02:11 PM
Re: Valium - Diazepam
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Veteran
Registered: 12/09/03
Posts: 456
Loc: California
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My mother says people dont get tolerance to anti-depressants nor do they withdrawal. I personally think thats a bunch of balony...wouldnt one withdrawal from any chemical, including anti-depressants? Please someone clear this up for me.
As I said, I don't really want to comment further as I am neither a doctor nor an expert. But I have to address your mother's definite mis-information re: withdrawal from SSRI's. This is quoted from rxlist.com:
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Discontinuation of Treatment with LEXAPRO
During marketing of Lexapro and other SSRIs and SNRIs (Serotonin and Norepinephrine Reuptake Inhibitors), there have been spontaneous reports of adverse events occurring upon discontinuation of these drugs, particularly when abrupt, including the following: dysphoric mood, irritability, agitation, dizziness, sensory disturbances (e.g., paresthesias such as electric shock sensations), anxiety, confusion, headache, lethargy, emotional lability, insomnia, and hypomania. While these events are generally self-limiting, there have been reports of serious discontinuation symptoms.
Patients should be monitored for these symptoms when discontinuing treatment with LEXAPRO. A gradual reduction in the dose rather than abrupt cessation is recommended whenever possible. If intolerable symptoms occur following a decrease in the dose or upon discontinuation of treatment, then resuming the previously prescribed dose may be considered. Subsequently, the physician may continue decreasing the dose but at a more gradual rate (see DOSAGE AND ADMINISTRATION).
I know next to nothing about Restoril, but it being a benzodiazepine, I'd assume it causes dependance as do the others.
Good luck, I hope you are able to fix all this - since it's going to be a big issue for you in the immediate future, I suggest you spend some time reading about the problems you've been diagnosed with, and the different treatments for them. Then talk about it with your doctor some more, armed with information, if you feel you are not getting the proper medication/treatment.
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#80648 - 07/23/04 07:00 PM
Re: Valium - Diazepam
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Veteran
Registered: 01/14/04
Posts: 453
Loc: New America
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Speaking of "restoril", you might want to be sure of what chemical you're actually getting if you decide to order any online. In the USA (and possibly other places, but USA is all I know in this instance) if you are prescribed Restoril, you will very much most likely receive Temazepam. If you are online shopping (Gigapharma for example) you will find another benzo under the same trade-name, Restoril. This restoril though, is a completely different benzodiazepine, namely Clonazepam. They are in the same family but have vastly diferent half-lives. Here in the USA name-brand Clonazepam goes by the name Klonipin. Confused yet? Temazepam Restoril is definitely for sleep, as it has a short half-life and shouldn't leave you that groggy in the morning. Clonazepam Restoril OTOH has a much longer half-life and until your body gets used to it you may find yourself having a heck of a time clearing your head each morning.
Just a little FYI for those out there surfing the rough seas of the IOP ocean..
L
ETA - if the Restoril in question is in 7.5 MG or 15 MG or any high number like that, you most likely have temazepam. Clonazepam (restoril brand or not) is usually produced just like xanax, in .25mg, .50mg, 1 mg & 2mg.
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#80661 - 08/22/04 09:18 AM
Re: Valium - Diazepam
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Enthusiast
Registered: 07/10/04
Posts: 175
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After two years of daily Tramadol use which let to about 18 months of Tramadol abuse, I have been plagued with servere anxiety. This anxiety is the main reason why I cannot fall asleep at night. I have very prominent insomnia since the day I have tapered off of Tramadol about 3 weeks ago.
I have reached my limits and I cannot suffer like this anymore. I just recently spoke with my psychiatrist he basically told me to give him a call in another few weeks if Im still suffering from servere anxiety and insomnia.
I really feel like I cant go a few weeks like this without eventually giving into my psychological addiction or self-medicating with some sort of sleep-aid or anti-anxiety agent.
I have tried Busparione, Sonata, and Ambien. None of which relieved anxiety and enduced sleep. When they did enduce sleep I would wake up feeling hungover, achy, tired, irritable, and generally uncomfortable which just prolongs the problem, and suffering.
I have never used an anti-anxiety agent beside buspar. I have never used a benzo before as well, as I never suffered from severe anxiety in my life. I was diagnosed with ADHD and a mild condition of OCD. Around age 10 I stopped taking Clonidine and Adderall, as I was not suffering the indications of either of the ADHD or OCD no longer.
When I turned 16 I began using Ultram for a minor motorcycle accident I had been in, After about a month of use I really found I enjoyed the drug and since have been addicted, especially psychologically. I went through a pretty bad withdrawal for about 3-5 days last month, now im left with this severe anxiety and insomnia.
Well, that is my situation, Im thinking of self-medicating with Valium in the near future if this problem does not subside. Not sure if its the right decision or what kind of side effects such drugs carry.
Any suggestions are welcome and would be highly appreciated. Im really new to anxiety, insomnia, and restlessness so any information, insight, suggestions would be great.
Best Wishes,
Anthony
I feel for you, man, those meds you mentioned suck the banana. The other thing is that I take about 300mg of Tramadol a day. Similarity to your condition? Anyway, I know the bars are too strong, so I take 1/4 of them, since they're scored into 4 parts. They work wonderfully for relieving anxiety, better than I possibly could have hoped. During the day I take one and it only seems to last for 2 hours, but take one at night and not only do I sleep well, but I have a general sense of well-being continuing until about 3pm the next day. It's fantastic! Usually, though, I drink about a half of a beer before I go to bed, since my body tries to fight Xanax a little bit and struggle to maintain consciousness. I never finish the beer.
Other benzos - Valium's great, too, for a lot of people. It has a long half-life, though, as does Klonopin. Temazepam, or Restoril, is explicitly made for sleeping and it has a very short life. It's also hard to find for a good price from a no records OP. I'd suggest Xaxax. It is, however, addictive. Only take 0.5mg (or whatever works for you) once or twice a day, and NEVER give in to taking more than that. I think it may work for you!
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However, it varies from country to country if ordering from IOPs. Indian name brand is more like a generic IMO, because it just takes the edge of anxiety off without knocking you out.
depending on your state dolphinrx seems to be okay..give them a try
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