i totally hear you! i just feel amazing when i take hydrocodone...like you said, i feel "normal". it's such a great feeling when you can actually go to work and feel like you're back to your old self again.

and i, too, feel more awake while taking these. well for the most part... like sometimes before work if i'm really tired i'll take one to wake me up a little bit and help me function. it seems that they are great for when you are busy...they really keep you moving...but sometimes if you're not busy and you're just sitting there you tend to nod off...anyone else get like this?

i've never ever experienced constipation, but (not to get graphic) my bowel movements have been really "normal" and consistent since i've been taking these (as in several times a day and no diarhhea).

i also feel like i can concentrate more and seem more focused and "thoughtful" as someone else had said.

Hi everyone,I too have trouble falling asleep and staying asleep from my meds,, I find taking an over the counter sleep aid helps me a bit , but I hate how I wake up 5 to 6 times a night, sometimes its the pain and sometimes the meds,, take care everyone sincerely Faith

I have a question. Is there a big difference between Hydro 10/500 and the compound 12/200? Is one better? What does compound mean? Is one stronger? Who manufactures them? Can someone who has taken these provide information please? I would really appreciate it. Thanks!!

First, compounded medications are prepared by the pharmacy and not a drug manufacturer, and are prepared using the individual ingredients in the correct proportions, then placed in a capsule (usually). A typical pharmacist cannot prepare these medications, they have to have a special compounding license. I have taken them in the past before, and have never had any issue, although many people have.

On these medications, the first number is indicative of the amount of hydrocodone, while the second number is the amount of Tylenol. Therefore, the compounds would have 2mg more of hydrocodone, while having 200 mg of tylenol vs. 500 mg. While in theory they should be stronger, this comes with a bit of a caveat. There has been a very, very long discussion of the compounded meds vs. the manufactured meds. Some people like them, some don't. I suppose it would depend on the reliability of the pharmacy that makes them.

Hope this helps.

Thank you it was nice of you to provide this information for me. Do you know some of the bad experiences people have had? I can't see why they would be worse then the manufactured pills, especially if they are stronger. Just curious about the negative reactions people have had with the compounds. Thanks again! You are a winner with me!

People complain that it is not as strong but I have a theory about that. I think peoples bodies get used to the apap (tylenol) and when it is very low, like in compounds, then it might seem weaker to some.

You're very welcome SeaBaby, I'm glad to help. I agree with Dennit, I have had doctors tell me that when switching to compounded pain meds, I might need to take Tylenol for a week or so. Believe it or not, APAP really does potentiate the hydrocodone. Many times, I have seen people that have just gotten compounds complain about their supposed weakness, only to have them not mention anything more about it after a week or so. Of course, all compounds have to come with some APAP, because I think that regulations require at least 80mg. Additionally, compounds can have up to 15 mg of hydrocodone and still be a CIII medication. For me, though, I still prefer 10/500, because I actually do need to APAP for arthritis.

M360 is a good Hydro Iknow for a fact. M356 M360 are all good. hope this helps

Hi-

Boy, I would REALLY REALLY appreciate some advice!!!!

I am a migraine sufferer, and an American but I live in Bali (that's in Indonesia). Sometimes I take a LOT of immigran- that is a migraine aborter and not a pain killer or "euphoric" of any kind. The trouble is that it is NOT good to take too much of this stuff; too much can create a rebound effect (meaning your body feels like it needs more of the drug so it causes a migraine in order to get you to take some more.) My migraines come and go and I prefer to have codeine on hand to take in case I've been taking a lot of immigran. I am completely in control of my use of codeine. But in Indonesia, they just will not give it to you and that's all there is to it. They are positively hysterical and irrational about it.

I need to get something codeine-containing. I can have something mailed into me but I need to get the most innocuous-looking compound in the most innocuous-looking package.

I really don't care what form the codeine is in. I'm not worried about ibuprofen or whatever it might be mixed with hurting my stomach because I just don't need to take it that often.

Codeine in any form including the Canadian over-the-counter kind works fine for me. Tylenol 3 is excellent. Vicodin- whatever. The problem is that I'd rather not get it in a package that says "codeine" on it. If the packaging is discreet and looks personal, chances are it will not even get opened on it's way to me. If it did get opened and the wording wasn't an obvious "codeine" and it had another more obscure and less recognizable name it would be better for me. It's can't say "prescription drugs" on the customs form.

Does anybody have any ideas at all to help me? I'd appreciate it so much!

THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!

Miss Migraine

You live in Indonesia. Is the law there anything like Singapore? Only you can know if you can order from overseas with privacy. I would check with the particular IOP. BTW, codeine, hydrocodone, etc are no answer for migraine headaches, IMO..

Hi OldandWorn,

Believe me I do know my headaches (all too well) and what works for me, but thanks for responding so much! I only need the codeine to break up the use of immigran during severe "bouts".

Several years ago I checked this site and found some information- it was like a "review" by a user, and they told HOW a few companies shipped/packaged their drugs. Some companies were understanding of this type of problem and packaged their shipments very discreetly. That's really all I need. If the pills were packaged discreetly, I'd be able to deal with the problem I have. Now I can't find that information here, and I really need it. It's probably still here somewhere and I don't know how to find it.

Because a lot of tourists used to come to Southeast Asia and get prescription drugs for recreational purposes, the U.S. put a lot of pressure on these countries not to give codeine. Now it's harder to get it here (Singapore, Thailand, Malaysia, etc) than it is in the United States, and in Indonesia it's impossible (and humiliating!)

If you have any idea how to find that here or how to go about looking I'd appreciate it so much!

Thanks again for talking the time to answer!

MM

Poppies are everywhere. There are licensed growers in Indonesia. Surely you could find your codeine that way. I find it hard to believe that someone living near the "golden triangle" has a hard time finding a poppy alkaloid.

I call Shenannagens! How were you getting your codeine before in Bali? It's usually the other way around, "How can I get my opioids from Bali through US customs." - I don't buy it, but good luck.

I can help you. I'll send you a pm

I wouldn't trust sending anything through the Indonesian postal system, but that is just me. Good Luck!

Link for FDA list of hydro manufacturers


http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cd...20ACETAMINOPHEN

Oddly enough, codeine used to give me headaches, usually rebbound but I do not have your problems. Your best bet may be IOPs. You know best on the legal particulars. Or as my man P says: grow your own or used seeds.

m363 where my all time favorite

HI! Thanks so much to those of you who responded!

I know- you would think that in Southeast Asia this type of thing wouldn't be a problem, but due to meddling by the US "war on drugs" many years ago- a trade for Indo gov't policies in exchange for U.S. funding, along with the basic conservatism and stoicism of the Indonesian people, you can barely get painkillers here if you have terminal cancer! This ain't Thailand, which has tightened up incredible also, due to the US intervention. Southeast ASia isn;t what it used to be.

I wouldn't even DARE grow a tiny m.j. plant here. I will not TOUCH the stuff here- I literally won't even talk about it in public nor will anyone else I know. We have the death penalty here for even the slightest tiny amount. They are incredibly naive about "narcotic drugs here and have been brainwashed. They perform episiotomies (sp.?- the surgical cutting that takes place during childbirth)woth NO ANESTHETIC. Local people I know are reluctant to even take aspirin for the occasional (normal) headache for fear it will cause "dependence".

I have entered Indo with prescription codeine before and had no problem. I have lived here a long time and don't have a relationship with a doctor in the US, so I can;t even get any when I visit the US annually. I used to buy it in Mexico when I lived in the US. I do not use it recreationally, so a little goes a long way for me in terms of my need for it for migraines and that worked fine for me.

Now I am really stuck.

The Indo postal service has changed and they are very reliable in the last 7 years or so.

As far as I know there is virtually no black market opiate other than a little heroine and that is extremely dangerous to mess with in terms of having legal problems. I don't want anything to do with that.

Thanks again, everybody!

Miss Migraine

BTW Dennit- thank you so much! I don't have enough posts here so they will not let me send you a PM. I was going to send you my personal email. I am going to try to find how to access your PM. Thanks again VERY much!
MM

Make 25 posts and you can pm. Dennit can pm you and than you can pm him back. This will work until you get your post count up. I think that is why sometimes you see new posters adding to very old threads cause they need to post and aren't able to add much to a thread about current products where shipping etc. Dennit can pm you if he wants and then you can pm him back. One of us could start a three way pm with you also.

Press Release For India Vicodin made by Ranbaxy


Ranbaxy Receives Approval to Manufacture and Market Hydrocodone Bitartrate and Acetaminophen Tablets USP
Submitted by jmorri2nd on August 20, 2007 - 7:07pm.
PRINCETON, N.J., Aug. 20 /PRNewswire/ -- Ranbaxy Pharmaceuticals Inc.
(RPI), a wholly owned subsidiary of Ranbaxy Laboratories Limited (RLL),
announced today that RLL has received approval from the U.S. Food and drug
Administration to manufacture and market Hydrocodone Bitartrate and
Acetaminophen Tablets USP, 7.5 mg/750 mg, 10 mg/500 mg, 5 mg/500 mg, and 10
mg/325 mg strengths. The Office of Generic Drugs, U.S. Food and drug
Administration, has determined the Ranbaxy formulations to be bioequivalent
and have the same therapeutic effect as that of the reference listed drugs
as follows: 10 mg/325 mg Norco Tablets of Watson Pharmaceuticals Inc., 5
mg/500 mg Vicodin Tablets, and 7.5 mg/750 mg Vicodin ES Tablets both of
Abbott Laboratories, and 10 mg/500 mg Lortab Tablets of UCB Inc. Total
annual market sales for Hydrocodone Bitartrate and Acetaminophen Tablets
were $390.6 million (IMS - MAT: June 2007).
"Hydrocodone Bitartrate and Acetaminophen Tablets are indicated for the
relief of moderate to moderately severe pain, and Ranbaxy is pleased to
receive final FDA approval for multiple strengths of this product. These
approvals further expand our product portfolio of affordable generic
alternatives and will be launched in a November 2007 time period to all
classes of trade," according to Jim Meehan, Vice President of Sales and
Marketing for RPI.
Ranbaxy Pharmaceuticals Inc. (RPI) based in Jacksonville, Florida, is a
wholly owned subsidiary of Ranbaxy Laboratories Limited (RLL), India's
largest pharmaceutical company. RPI is engaged in the sale and distribution
of generic and branded prescription products in the U.S. healthcare system.
Ranbaxy Laboratories Limited, headquartered in India, is an integrated,
research based, international pharmaceutical company producing a wide range
of quality, affordable generic medicines, trusted by healthcare
professionals and patients across geographies. Ranbaxy's continued focus on
R&D has resulted in several approvals in developed markets and significant
progress in New drug Discovery Research. The Company's foray into Novel
drug Delivery Systems has led to proprietary "platform technologies",
resulting in a number of products under development. The Company is serving
its customers in over 125 countries and has an expanding international
portfolio of affiliates, joint ventures and alliances, ground operations in
49 countries and manufacturing operations in 11 countries.
*Vicodin(R) ES Tablets is a registered trademark of Abbott Laboratories
*Norco(R) Tablets is a registered trademark of Watson Pharmaceuticals Inc.
*Lortab(R) Tablets is a registered trademark of UCB Inc.


Ranbaxy Vicodin Imprints and descriptions

How is Hydrocodone Bitartrate and Acetaminophen Supplied
Hydrocodone Bitartrate and Acetaminophen tablets, USP are available in the following strengths:

5 mg/500 mg White to off-white capsule shaped, uncoated tablets, debossed with “RX” on the left side of the bisect and “560” on the right side of the bisect and plain on the other side NDC 63304-560-03 Bottles of 10 NDC 63304-560-01 Bottles of 100 NDC 63304-560-05 Bottles of 500 NDC 63304-560-69 Unit-dose pack of 10
7.5 mg/750 mg White to off-white round, uncoated tablets, debossed with “RX” above the bisect and “496” below the bisect and plain on the other side NDC 63304-496-03 Bottles of 10 NDC 63304-496-01 Bottles of 100 NDC 63304-496-05 Bottles of 500 NDC 63304-496-69 Unit-dose pack of 10
10 mg/325 mg White to off-white round, uncoated tablets, debossed with “RX” above the bisect and “497” below the bisect and plain on the other side NDC 63304-497-03 Bottles of 10 NDC 63304-497-01 Bottles of 100 NDC 63304-497-05 Bottles of 500 NDC 63304-497-10 Bottles of 1000 NDC 63304-497-69 Unit-dose pack of 10
10 mg/500 mg White to off-white round, uncoated tablets, debossed with “RX” above the bisect and “498” below the bisect and plain on the other side NDC 63304-498-03 Bottles of 10 NDC 63304-498-01 Bottles of 100 NDC 63304-498-05 Bottles of 500 NDC 63304-498-69 Unit-dose pack of 10

Store at 20 - 25°C (68 - 77°F). [See USP Controlled Room Temperature].

Dispense in a tight, light-resistant container with a child-resistant closure.

Manufactured for

Ranbaxy Pharmaceuticals Inc.

Jacksonville, FL 32257 USA

By: Ohm Laboratories Inc.

North Brunswick, NJ 08902 USA

April 2008

Wasn't it Ranbaxy that got bollocked by the FDA for substandard labs, and got put on hold for imports of their generics?

Either way you can bet someone will say their hydro/APAP is useless or make them sick, and the thought of the above won't exactly instil much confidence in the products.

Yes, they were. But I'll bet we will be seeing Hydrocodone (real hydrocodone) showing up available from IOP's soon.

Hope so re hydrocodone, PrivateR!

I think that each person, esp. informed, ought to be be free to get what they need.

Well, my info re Ranbaxy is that they are are very legit, so I hope that they gear up their manufacturing and the IOPs can get their products to USA (etc.) folks who need meds without having to submit to MDs' arrogance and expense.

DB rocks! Best of luck everyone!

Maybe I missed something, but it looks to me like this press release is only referring to an approval for the American subsidiary of this Indian company to manufacture and market their generic hydrocodone/APAP medications in the US.
Does it indicate anywhere that there will be manufacture and sale elsewhere in the world?

One of my favorites for sure as far as opiates and effectiveness. If taken regularly I highly recomend Milk thistle to ease the stress on your liver, especially since majority of folks build a tolerance to hydro fairly quickly and in turn have to take more mg's of it to maintain the same results. This means more apap, which in high quantity can be pretty nasty stuff over long periods of time. Just my 2 cents though........... If only someone could patened pure hydro!

Will have to try the Milk Thistle.

Im not liking the APAP ~ was suprised to find out on the drugdigest. pages ~ that my new meds have 650mg! I was trying to get away from all that. Liver screaming' might be a reason I am not sleeping well.

As I've noted on other threads you can get "pure" hydrocodone with a written prescription from a compounding pharmacy. It is a C-II medication.
However, I really don't think a doctor or patient would go to that trouble since the doctor could just prescribe oxycodone w/o APAP.
I've seen people often inquire about the availability of "pure" hydrocodone but never understood what purpose it would realistically serve.

Is the following statement true?

"Hydrocodone is a dangerous, dangerous drug. It does serious damage to every organ in the body."

When I pointed out that the apap component certainly posed potential dangers to the liver, I was told that the hydrocodone component causes the "damage to every organ in the body".

Any truth to the Doctor's bolded statement. If so, what about in terms of a risk vs. benefit ratio?

We were not discussing tolerance/addiction issues either.

Thanks!

patient2all