After the last topic went out of control i wanted to start a new one that only involves members using it and those considering it.
A few here know that i have been using it with a pcp's lack of knowledge on the stuff but was told it couldnt hurt my condition and I was supposed to be a cripple as of a couple years ago but am still walking fine although in alot of pain.I also had wrinkles from to much sun and grayish hair but no more.Been on it for years now and will be till i die.If anyone has questions please ask.Theres a big difference in using it correct and abusing it for bodybuilding(mega dosing).

What are you talking about? Am interested in this.

Your question makes lil sense.Please explain.

Human Growth Hormone

(not that I am using it, but as with all medicine, I find it interesting)

It's VERY interesting. I've done alot of research on it and I would suggest that anyone contemplating it's use do the same. Any conventional medical doctor will not do for advise because this doesn't fall under the umbrella of "convention". Most physicians don't even get more than a few HOURS of classes on integrative medicine or nutrition. We must be proactive in our own healthcare. To sit by and blithely let these doctors manage our health without question is plain stupidity. To take anyone's advice from any source without questioning it and doing further research as it applies to YOU (I mean all of you)is simply irresponsible.

Anyway, I'm just sorry I ever mentioned hgh in the first place. I should've just kept my "mouth" shut. Then again, if we all kept our mouths SHUT, how would we receive the seeds of curiousity that inspire us to seek out answers for ourselves? That is the bottom line. Everyone must seek out their own answers to their own satisfaction.

Why, hasn't anyone heard Andrew Weil speak of the therapeutic values of LSD, marijuana,etc. in certain areas of integrative medicine? WOW, I'll bet that'll get some of you going on a whole new harangue!!! LOL, I shall wait and read.

I think this is an interesting subject too! Lots of preventive aging sites for Boomers have this mentioned. I'd think from the crackdown last fall of the pharmacies and doctors doing steroids that hgh is hard to find. What do think of the possibilities of it causing any tumor growth?

I have read in several publications that IF a tumor already exists then hgh MAY promote it's growth. However, young children are literally "swimming" in HGH and their cancers (of which there are too many unfortunately) are not attributed to hgh.

It would behoove one to know their own health status prior to initiating hgh therapy. Ideally one would have bloodwork done to rule out CA, measure their hormone levels, etc. before starting hgh. There are many doctors that specialize in this area. Well, still there are not enough to go around and certainly insurance won't pay for it. After all, our healthcare system is set up to treat symptoms and not prevent diseases. Where would the money be in THAT I ask you? Shame isn't it?

For instance. High cholesterol in men. Physicians are all too eager to put them on statin drugs. Statin drugs interfere with the biochemical pathway of CoQ10 production (a relative of cholesterol) in the liver. CoQ10 is an EXTREMELY important chemical to the heart muscle. If a person on statins does not supplement with at least 100mg of CoQ10 a day whilst on statins they are setting themselves up for heart failure. Of course, the doc can write a RX for THAT too. So you see, money is the bottom line and not prevention of disease. Disease is a huge money maker for big pharma. I just fired my own doc because the last time I went to his office there were more pharmaceutical reps than patients in the waiting room!!!

My doctor got angry with me for asking him to have myself tested for C reactive protein, a female hormone panel, DHEA, vitamin D level, etc. He actually got angry. These are just some of the tests that we should have to reveal our state of health and to uncover potential disease processes before they get out of hand. As I said, DISEASE makes money, not health.

So go out there and fight for your life. No one else will do it for you.

jane,
There are docs out there that are up to date on this hormone and its great benefits.lookup a good anti aging clinic in your area and visit them.You might be amazed at the facts and findings they have to offer.I was at the end of the road and i thank my great god for what i have recieved from its uses.Read read and find a good understanding doc at one of these clinics and you to will be amazed.

Thanks jane and uluvme for the info. I don't know of any anti-aging clinics close by but I will look into it in the future. So you all get your hgh from pcp?

I am a Medicaid recipient (or should I say victim) and have received extremely below par medical care. I had a UTI that screamed out loud on my urinalysis and the doctor ignored it until I threatened to report him. My bloodwork showed some abnormalities (anemia being one) which he also ignored. I have had to treat myself ever since I've been disabled. Still waiting for SSDI.

I could never afford to go and see one of those anti-aging docs. However, doctors become doctors because they study. So, I study and study and do research and ask questions. I only concentrate on what I personally need for my own health, however I have been able to acquire a complete female hormone panel and CBC plus vitamin D levels from LEF.org for a mere $198.00 (they have a yearly sale). Since my own quack from Medicaid refuses my requests for bloodwork I had to take it upon myself.

I am fully aware of the wonders of HGH and have been using it for over 3 years. No one can tell me that it's bad for my health. I am my own guinea pig and I'm not afraid to experiment when I've done enough research to put my mind at ease. Pitty that the poor in this country (at least the poor American Citizens born and bred here) have to go without. So, thank my lucky Stars that I am blessed with a brain that can decipher all the medical mucky muck that's out there and find the jewels of information that lead me to what I need.

I wish I could go to an amazing doctor but unfortunately they cost an amazing lot of money which I do not have. I have learned what I know so far on my own and through the help of some very wise folks on this forum and others. I don't take anyone's advice until I check and recheck behind them but I have been blessed to find some people who, like me, are insatiable for information. That is really all it takes to learn and understand biochemistry,etc. An MD or a PHD after one's name does not necessarily make them credible these days. When a so called "doctor" cannot read a simple urinalysis and see an obvious UTI it becomes necessary to go over their little heads and do your own homework.

You are lucky that you can see a doctor that understands. As I said, it takes money to buy one. Thanks though. I'm managing so far. I just need SSDI for my fractured spine so that I can go back to school and study for a different career path. I can no longer sit at a desk because of my back and I used to work at the University of Virginia Health Sciences Center. Believe me, I KNOW doctors. Some are worth their salt but most are not. If you're on Medicaid you're subject to all the foreigners who come over here and take advantage of the Medicaid system to "get their experience",,,,uuuummmmmmm,,,,money. That is what they're here for. They take and take and take and then they take some more. Meanwhile, innocent American poor are victimized by their incompetence and disregard for the quality of life in their patients.

I bought mine from China before the crackdown. I can no longer afford it because the price is astronomical. When the Olypmpics are over the price will most likely come back down and supply will once again be available. For now, unless you actually can afford to see an anti-aging (legitamate MD) you are best to leave it alone. Their are too many fakers out there and if you ARE lucky enough to find a supplier you have to risk losing a great deal of money for a product that is NOT 191aa. They make their own "bathtub" hgh and sell it to inexperienced buyers out there who are desperate enough to risk their health on it. DON'T do it. Wait until Jintropin is available again or go to IAS and pay for their Saizen. It is very expensive. I cannot affort that stuff. It is however, the real 191aa which is the only hgh that is safe to use.

I have a question about the absorption methods. Now I've read you can only take hgh through injection for it to be effective. (can't go through digestive tract as it makes it ineffective) Have you heard anything about the transdermal hgh? Since your bypassing the digestion tract, I would think that you could readily absorb it through the skin and it would still be viable. I have heard about sublingual hgh, what are your thoughts on that?

sublingual hgh is bunk.havent heard about the other but the inj are not painful at all.

just found some documentation saying transdermal wouldn't work because molecules are too large to pass through the skin. so, guess i'll be looking into the injections!!

What about the hgh release supplements. Supposed to boosts your own hgh levels? Anyone have any info about this?

I dont think they work very well on their on but with the hgh inj it would make sense they would work great together.If your body isnt making much hgh the boosters have nothing to release.As we all get older we make less and less of the stuff and as a result we began breaking down.No the stuff aint gonna make a 50 year old 20 again but will boost the energy and appearance...wrinkles and memory and lots of reports on hair turning back to its natural color.The muscle tone and fat burning from the stuff is great.But if you want to get great results save your money and get the real inj hgh not the pills or spray or vitamins.Test have shown only inj to work.

Hey, I just got an email from someone in china who sells all kinds of stuff, and he sent me a quote on some jintropin. Can I put his email on here so you all can tell me what you guys think? I think the prices look pretty good, but I also haven't researched jintropin that much.

jintropin is a great brand but theres been complaints about fakes being sold directly from china.I wouldnt fool with that source and stick to the guys thats been around for years.Email sources cant be posted here.Most of them are scams so admin here forbids them being discussed.In your case it being a china email source I would never touch them unless you are prepared to pay the ultimate price.

THNAKS!! See, I never would have known. I'll have to look for the places that have been around for awhile and have good feedback from the people here. I should have known,if it looks to good to be true......!! lol

Just try to stay away from china steroid and hgh places.A good place for hgh when they have it stocked is
https://www.genxxlgear.com ships from eu and some domestic.you need to create account and you can email them about products and shipping info.
http://www.jintropin.net this is the maker of jin and it ships directly from company in china.very nice prices and they offer 100% reship or money back if you dont get the product or dont like the results.
http://jintropinonline.com ships from the uk prices are decent and 100% gaurentee shipping.If lost they reship free.

I have used all 3 and no problems with them.Genxxlgear is my favorite of the 3 because they offer other gear but they are a lil higher.jintropinonline has the quickest shipping times to the usa.

Any news, I'm looking to go on a cycle and would appreciate any more info on use or procurement.

HGH is the closest drug out there to a fountain of youth that we have right now.

If yuo are looking into HGH therapy then I suggust you research it on line and do your homework and BEWARE of fakes and scams.

good luck

uluvme, what kind of positive effects have you gotten from HGH? Just curious as I've seen different effects from different people?

How much are you using per day/week and are you taking any other supplements? Are you working out any or doing any cardio such as cycling or walking etc.

thanks for any info you can provide.

Jane, I agree with all you wrote. I have arrived at
the same conclusions and am becoming more knowledgable
than the doctors with whom I interact. Some of them are
laughable with their excuses for knowledge and I pity the
gullible who depend so much on them.
I have been lucky enough to be able to obtain serostim
from a friend and have been using it only about 80 days.
First effects I noted were better sleep and more cheerful.
Wish I could increase my dosage from 1iu per day to 2iu.
But cost is so prohibitive.
I'm so glad that this thread is so much saner than a previous painful battling thread. And more accurate.
I'm taking HGH for anti-aging as I am nudging eighty and
I see no good reason to cave in to age if I needn't.

Just to add a bit to my previous post of a month ago.
My very dear friend just finished a month and a half
at the Mayo Clinic in Scottsdale, Ariz. The endo there
who discovered she has adrenal insufficiency and probably
dysautonomia as well, prescribed her to start on a 1.8iu
injection protocol of HGH (humatrope). Very surprised to
discover a conservative doctor like they have at Mayo would
do something so daring!! There's hope yet. I am developing
some carpal tunnel I suspect is due to my 2iu daily dosage
and am cutting back to 1iu/day. Sure wish it weren't so
costly.

Alot of people are saying https://www.genxxlgear.com are scammers.

wayyyy too expensive via those links which im dubious about.


Back before the americans and their operation raw deal generic assayed blue top HGH 191a could be had for as cheap as 90c/IU. now its at ridiculous prices as high as $4/iu.

Unfortunately HGH is something you would need to buy in bulk. In china its still cheap-internally. The sellers though are making a killing on it.

Jin and saizen and hyge something were good brands and im sure still are. I loved my blue tops mmmmmmm had bought 4000iu in 1 go just before op raw deal.