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Whois info, public info, on May 18, 2008:

Just to mention there is a hot thread about this OCS:
http://www.drugbuyers.com/freeboard/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=700596#Post700596

I want to stay out of the affray surrounding this "site" since I personally have no need of their services.

However, since this is the most likely place their rep might answer a question, I must ask for the benefit of those tempted to try ImLivingAgain:

What is the necessity of requiring money wired through WU before services are rendered?

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Yes, we accept that some International sites require payment that way, though there is a high risk of being scammed that way unless the site has a proven track record.

"Email Sources" often ask for payment that way, though again, there is a great risk of simply "donating" money using that method, let alone the legalities involved.

Some of the NROPs operating on the down-low ask for payment that way, but you're similarly taking your chances on many fronts by wiring funds to strangers and you're out of the "gray area" and into illegal territory that way too.

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Seems to me if an OCS offering a full-fledged consult with a licensed Doctor and promises medication delivered via Fedex wants patients to take the leap, they'd be more forthcoming about the need for wiring funds in advance -- that "need" being something only hinted at so far...

A great many readers here realize that wiring funds offers virtually no opportunity to recoup that money in the event of an "unpleasant experience".

OTOH, there are folks looking for pain relief who don't realize this is this is generally a disappointing experiences going that route....

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Something ain't right, IMO

Proceed with caution!

patient2all

You Know PTA,

I believe it's more of the "lack of" operating capitol over a scam that drives that procedure.

Some clients have posted good experiences with them and like you, I don't require their services.
But from a business overview, it seems as they may need the capitol up front in order to pay the doctor, pharmacy and shipping.

Their Credit Rating rather than " a skeem" is probably the issue.

I would enjoy your thoughts from this point of view.

MBS

I have to say I agree with you as that is what I thought when she told me to wire money upfront. She stated that she had been working for another OCS that the owner walked away with all the monies owed out. No one got paid dr, pharms, workers, etc. So now she said that that is why they are doing it the way they are. I asked her about taking a credit card and she said they weren't set up for that yet and also that alot of people would cancel payment on credit cards to them. I think COD is the best way don't you agree?

I have read all these posts of yours obvious of what you are doing and have tried to do to the posters that use this company. What a shame. Even I can read between the lines.
Why are the administrators banning those two users for what reason? Maybe someone else decided to take the matter of banning them personally and did it to them hackers do exist) . Is the admin checking into this?

Well I cannot answer that! You will have to ask Admin.

hoppa

hackers do exist?? That makes me laugh.

here we go again with the first name and initial...

Can someone share with us the costs involved (as this service is a bit different from other ROPs) and their medication count.

Thank you!

The actual site name if you want to see it or get their contact info to call and find out their process:

http://www.wwwlivingagaincom.health.officelive.com

Admin is banning and deleting users because something strange is going on... like you and karenp posting from the same PC...
That is why we ban the two of you...

I just went to this site to see if I may have been missing something, I was trying to find the FAQ's, terms of agreement, etc...but the site is not coming up for me, wonder if it's just me or I am typing the site name in wrong. All I am getting is a page that says this page cannot be displayed, is it just me or can anyone else get this site up.

I've been getting the same results as you, the site is down.

No doubt the jig is up and they threw in the towel once they realized no one from DB is butting...

Humm ...Gone like the Wind!....Woosh....Gone....Poof!!!...I wonder ....Will it come back up?

I thought maybe it was either my high speed modem/connection, at least I know its not my connection.

Huh... the domain still exists, but isn't nameserved to any IP address by their provider (Microsoft Office Live) anymore.

It looks to have been taken down deliberately, but no way to tell why or by whom.



That's my guess, too.

WOW, so Oxy do you think that this place just had shills like karenp, kevine, georgej, among others post on DB to get the members of DB to wire $200. to them and then just split with the money? If so shame on them.

PTA,rubix, I, hoppa and a few others had a lot running about this group but it was put in the removed list. I believed this was a put up job from the start.Hoppa's post said to be careful. For me the give away was only new posters with a first name and letter who said it was a great place. I Luv ya hoppa, PTA and Ruggie for once again keeping us smarter and richer. To all newbies: pay attention when the oldtimers post. Lots of wisdom.

It's Brandy. I have not gone anywhere - someone crashed my website, which was totally beyond my control. It will take me a few days to get a professional and secure website up and going, so that this won't happen again, but in the meantime, I am scheduling consults without delay. As always, you can reach me at xxx or by phone at xxx. There is no "scam" and I haven't run off with anyone's money and I'm certainly not hiding.

I would like to get a consult, but only if it can be COD like most sites. This is the time to prove us wrong.

Please Brandy, I see that you are reading this and want you to respond. I f you can not please simply state why. This is the best method. COD will attract so many customers and if you are legit like you claim than this should be fairly simple. Please do reply!!!!!!!

FWIW, this place certainly did arouse suspicion. It was essentially a "source without a web", a line becoming blurred of late as Microsoft and Googlepages has begun to offer free web space.

These Internet giants are offering potentially more professional looking free web space, lacking the popup ads that give away the Tripod, Angelfire, GeoCities and a million others like the .tk domains that gave away the "traditional" free web page.

I went through much of the process of signing up for an officelive.com page, the type ILA was using.

The signup is just as anonymous as any other free web page, giving you no recourse in tracking down the "owners" in the event of a scam.

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That was always the inherent danger of sending money/credit card info/whatever through free web sites. At least if a site has a domain and a hosting provider, they paid with something that should link back to their identity if they are planning on perpetrating a massive scam. I say "should" because the World Wild Web is full of exploits and even a registered, paid for site could lead to forever lost funds.

Given the World Wide nature of the Web, who you gonna call if you're ripped off by some questionable site, the Latvian Police Department?

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Actually, I said little about this ILA site. The other members mentioned raised enough red flags to convince ILA this may not be the venue to launch their questionable "business" venture.

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While $200.00 is a lot of money for most folks, frankly most medication scams that prey on those in need are pikers and bottom feeders compared the many other dangers.

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A little OT, but can Admin forgive me?

Just to name a couple we may not be aware of:

I've spent a lot of time, to no avail, attempting to keep people from falling for the 'work at home' scams that spam continuously. It's truly tragic that in these tough times, many, many people are taken for 5-10K "investments" that prove to be utterly useless.

There are good, legitimate work at home opportunities that could benefit some of our members who can't hold outside jobs. I'm one of them, in fact. I've posted on it before. I'll try to dig up those resources when I have a chance and post them in the appropriate forum. Try searching my posts for the last few years, here and on the VIP side for " missy " -- I believe I mentioned her name. She was a mentor to me early on who helped me learn what to avoid, asking nothing in return. Sadly Missy suffered an unimaginable tragedy a few years back. Pray for my friend Missy please....

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As evil as the 'work at home' scams are, the cruel activities that regularly occur on Online Dating services are arguably worse.

A fellow corresponds with a dozen lonely women, telling each how he feels they are his "soul mates". He's lost his home and job and would love to make a "fresh start" and relocate to your area to share a lifetime together.

If only he could settle up a few debts where he is and if you would be kind enough to send him money for airfare too. I recently learned of an acquaintance who waited 12 desperate hours at the airport after fronting one of these cads a large sum of money so they could be together. Needless to say, she never heard from the bum again.

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So, despite how it has revolutionized our lives, the Internet is a dangerous, unregulated place in general.

Beware of most everything that comes your way wanting money. Even the major banking institutions have their own schemes that regularly lure in the unwary.

End of OT....

patient2all

Rather than ask members to provide up-front funding for your "start-up" business, why not do as I did? I took a chance and used a credit card for my initial operating expenses and it paid off. If you're confident enough that this endeavor will be a success, you should be be prepared to take a similar risk.

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Can patients try this similar offer for help with pain issues without fronting your business's operating capital?

www.imlivingagain.blogspot.com



patient2all

You were hiding for a few days that your supposedly customers were taking [censored] from alot of people, where were you then??? I think a few even seen you online at that time??????

You have been here reading and all your so called lucky people has since been Banned and you still did not speak. That looks like hiding!... Pick-a-boo...
Some were even posting from the same Computer!
You still did not come forward. Makes us think!

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someone crashed my website

No, I don't believe that at all! You just can't have that type of site up with a Microsoft free web page.
In all the Sites I have ever seen for an OCS, none looked as unsecured But hey who knows I've been wrong before. Do you realize how many people may have checked your site? Have you spoken to the folks at Microsoft?



Now your talking branyd. That is the first Safe step you can take. Go for it. And please stop asking for payment by WU only. Maybe if you have a real, more professional site that allows folks to have some type of recourse for their payment. (In case they get nothing in return.)

Sorry to keep saying it over and over but it's going to take more than "Brandy is so nice" for the board to trust this. Why does everyone that posts for you, now Banned say how nice you are? Sounds like the same person in every post. Here and VIP. Takes more than being soo nice to get my Medical Records!



Well talk to this board and answer the Questions asked of you. I really can't imagine you have gotten all that much money as of yet. But who knows.

Again if I'm wrong I will say so. But so far your not giving us much, just a handful of Shills!

Say Hello to karenp for me.

All have a great week-end!
hoppa

I just basically wanted to see her explanation on why she could not accept COD. I have an OCS that is great. She did not reply as I knew she wouldn't

Specifically to Wendy and Grand Pooh-bah, why are you being so negative when you haven't used my service or shown true evidence of anyone who has been "taken" by my service? I really though this forum was to help others that need relief and who are unable to get the proper care from their local doctors? I am a real person with feelings and so are my customers who have come on this site and posted their positive experience with my company only to receive a negative reaction from those few who continue to look for something negative even though the is no evidence anywhere on this site from those who've used my service.

I don't come on this website every day. I post occasionally because I am busy running my business and spending time my family. I will respond to people who genuinely have questions and are looking for help because I want to help others, whether you use my service or another site - my goal is getting you the help you need. But what I'm not going to do, is spend my time reply to people whose only goal is consistently being negative with no evidence of any wrongdoing on my part. If you are really trying to protect others from having their money taken by me, why don't you actually find someone who has lost money; have them come on the site and prove it, and then you might actually appear to be a credible source instead of someone with other motives?

After considering what has been posted regarding the COD option, I have decided to start accepting COD payment. I will have to set up a PO Box (I'm not going to give my home address for payment). For those customers who choose the COD option, please realize that it will delay the process by one day because I will need to receive your payment before I can schedule you with the doctor. I have to set it up this way because the doctor has to be paid for every consult regardless of whether the person decides to accept the package or not. I can't run the risk of having someone go through the entire process only to decide that they don't want to accept their medication when it is delivered, and I still have to pay for the consult!

For others that want a quicker consult - the Western Union option is still available and no one has lost any money with this option. I will contact you throughout the process to ensure you are satisfied with the consultation process and so that I can ensure that you have a good experience with the pharmacy.

Since it appears that someone has possibly crashed my site, please call me at xxx we require a working Web xxx until I get the site up again on a secure server. You are welcome to contact me today and I will answer any questions you may have about the process.

Thanks and have a great day.

Brandy
(843) 270-3606

Anyone who uses WU will certainly loose money as WU is not free.

I don't understand what you are posting, you say you will begin to accept COD yet you claim you need the money upfront to pay your Doctor. Which is it, COD or not?

I also have not seen a single person posting about anything successful in regards to your site. The only people that seem to be supporters of your site have been banned as being the same person, maybe even they were you seemingly.

Can you see things from my perspective?