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Stillhopeful, That was really the point of my post as I do not think it was typical from what has happened to me and many others who have used NNCIP. The doctor just handed us a script to take with us.

Of course all doctors have their own "protocol" with the way they run their practice but how many doctors do you know that see a patient and then Fed Ex them a script? None, Right?

I think when NNCIP came up with their whole business model that is the way they wrote it up (looked good on paper) but since realized that it's kind of silly not to give the patient the script while they are right there instead of having them leave and over-nighting it to them.

Does that make sense? I think Habib's doctor just followed the original "Rules" given to them from NNCIP(Over-nighting the script) instead of just doing the more common sense thing and giving the patient the script to take with them.


BBM

BBM, thanks for the quick reply....that was exactly what I was wondering...currently, I am thinking about going through NNCIP and have talked on the phone to them once and had many of my questions answered by the rep - but still have a few after reading posts.....I am just trying to get as much info as possible in order to make a good decision....there is a NNCIP doctor in my state and it seems that this is the most legal and long-term route to go (except for what happened to chevy53....any news on that end chevy?). I have never been to any doctor except local and have never ordered online. Honestly, I am very leary of online ordering and scripts (and in that, I intend no offense to those who choose such services). These OCSs seem to iffy and thus I am defintely not wanting to go that route....thanks for the info...any of your experience you would share with me would be great....thanks again!

Hi BBM/still...I did not get a paper script because there are laws in Virginia that prevent doctors from prescribing more than 60 at one time. NNCIP told me that before my appointment, but at the end I still asked "so what do I do now"

habib wrote - "I did not get a paper script because there are laws in Virginia that prevent doctors from prescribing more than 60 at one time. NNCIP told me that before my appointment, but at the end I still asked "so what do I do now"

2 comments on this one -
1. so did the doc phone in more than 60 at once, or is he calling in 60 every however many days...?

2.habib, do you mind PMing me as to which schedule (II or III or other) and which particular med that was?....I ask b/c this is the same doc I will see if I go this route (VA right?) I have never heard of this law about not prescribing more than 60 at one time...infact, my PM doctor typically scripted me 120 Vicoprofen (7.5/200 mg), 3xs per month (120 w/ 2 fills per month -- 12 per day -- b/c I was new and then later on in PM, I got 120 oxycodone per month (30mg tabs) and once got percocet 240 tabs (7.5 mg/?) as breakthrough med....so I know for a fac that there is no VA law preventing a doctor from prescribing more than 60 od schedule II or III at once...my old GYN regularly gave me 90 count of Vicoprofen also, w/ refills.....unless you are on amed that is law specific, and there is the possibility that it is amed I have never hada nd thus I don't need to be commenting and if htat is the case, than please forgive my post...I have just never heard of such a law and have been on such meds for years now.....

habib, I'd be interested in any details of your experince you'd share with me, either by post or by PM if you prefer....you might could also answer some of my other questions I have posted....maybe you would look at my other posts, since you saw the doc near me....thanks so much for your help!

this doc is is McClean, VA, right?

stillhopeful, no news is not good news for those of us in texas. no dr as of yet and not a hopefull response from nncip the last time i e-mailed them. i,m currently checking out brick and mortar pain m,anagement clinics in my area, they're hard to get into and expensive. makes using an OCS look cheap. oh well i always hope for the best and expect the worst.
good luck to all of you who have had " that great experience" with nncip., ,,, i hope it works for those in green states for a long time to come.

peace out 53 chevy

looks like they have a dr. for texas . so news is good. it looks like " that great experience" with nncip is back for tose of us in texas

Warning when seeing the new dr. I will be getting into a regular pain clinic because this dr. was supposed to be a pain dr. per my conversation with nncip. I have pain with my back but have bad issues with fibro. This doctor took my scripts from my current nuerologist over -which specialises in fibro-and wrote me a one month supply of the following-30 hydro 10/500,30 1mg clonopin and 30 350mg Soma. I was made to feel like a drug addict with this dr. and obviously we had a personality clash and I certainly didn't need a lecture on the selling of these drugs on the street!!My dh is furious at me for doing this because he has seen me sieze in my sleep and cry from the stress he puts on me for him traveling constantly and me taking care of 4 kids by myself. I only sought this dr because they were taking too long in getting my papers and app. set up with the pain clinic-I made the worse mistake of my life today and wanted to cry all the way home...this was before I got my scripts or even knew what he was giving me...it was because of the way he made me feel...LIKE [censored]-and lowered my self esteem to an all time low! I normally post on the VIP side but thought you all should know,thanks for letting me rant and rabbble rabble rabble

Btw...thought I would add...great 31pgs of records,mri's 5/total abdominal surgeries-the last just 8wks ago!Just an FYI, it really seemed like a personality issue and he didn't want to treat me, Great waste of almost 300$!

That is truly sad KBear. I had a new B&M doc visit today for physical and went home feeling like a piece of Cr@p because the previous prmary care gave me a script 6 months ago of 5/500 40 ct 1 refill prn that was on my med sheet and they wanted me to sign a pain contract for(1) 30 ct 5/500. I just said no thanks. I don't need that kind of monitering for a 30 ct script. I would think a F2F with a pm doctor would be different. I truly was hoping for this. so I guess even a F2F pm doctor may not be the answer either.

I feel totally deceived by this dr. and before I left his office he let me know he would only "allow" my nuerologist of 3yrs/fibro specialist to give me trigger point injections. My pain is a combo of back and fibromyalgia and he said he was a dr. that understands and believes in the condition but by his actions he clearly doesn't understand fibro patients at all-I trusted him and signed all his mega Rules [censored] /my pharmacy couldn't believe he did this and told me to get the hell out and find someone else. I brought him all my scrips-never in 3 years had to up any of my meds,brought him copies of my physical therapy-my dh is so mad that I didn't wait to see pm Jerry Lewis but when your sciatica is killing you..well I just needed help and relief-if this dr. was trying to set someone up well he picked the wrong person-my stuff is all legit!!!Maybe I was too honest but I don't have time to BS with 4kids and dh traveling constantly with my issues..ugghhhhhh /This is the last I will comment on this, now I need to get with my pharmacy,pcp and nuerologist so I can get my care back the way it should be..and from now on -even though inconveinant I think a real pain clinic that will work with my current dr.s is for me-again thanks for listening to all my rabble but I think everyone has a right to know..Peace out

I'm just curious and not sure if I understand what you were trying to say here. Are you making a comment that you are not or were not satisfied with the doctor from NNCIP?
And if that is the case you seem to have said towards the end that you were going back to get your care back to the way that it should be. Does that mean that you were satisfied with the care that you were receiving locall from the local doctors that you were seeing?
And if so, why did you leave them or make a turn towards this place/different care and give them a try? What were you hoping to get out of this?
I'm not doubting anything that you were/are saying I'm just confused as to what happened to you and what actually made you disatisfied? I was just hoping for you to say it maybe in a different way becuase it sounds confusing to me, that's all.
I'm sorry that you obviously have went through some experiences that have not been positive for you. From about 97% of everything I've read so far based on how NNCIP works, it sounds like this face to face thing in every state will the sound model that will be the face of this industry for the future and it's this model that will ultimately make it stable enough to pass the legal questions that will or may be brought up going against this industry possibly! Thanks!

Hi Rachael..no I'm not pleased at all with the dr. I saw but I'm totally for what nncip is doing for people. My care before was not as it should and what I should have clarified is that I need to boot this guy,get my current dr.s back and see who I was referred to in the first place which was pinnacle pain management. In above I beleive I mentioned that I chose this route for convieniece,and he could see me so fast and pinnacle hadn't gotten the referall yet and it was taking too long and with sciatica pain/with new strain to lower back I just wanted help like now which in my case turned out to be a huge mistake,hope I clarified things better, if not well,forgive my fibro fog. Take Care...

read all your posts twice and still confused. didn't like nncip doctor? went with nncip instead of following thru with a local pain mgmt. clinic referral? now wish you had followed thru instead? what state was nncip doc in? have you complained to nncip?

what is the part about letting your other doctor do nerve injecions 3 times a year? are your other doc and nncip doc in communication with each other? I give up. does back pain, sciatica and fibro put a person in a fog?

whatever it is you are trying to say, sounds like you are having a rough time. hope it works out and things get better.

I don't know.....I totally understand what she's saying. She was referred to a PM doc by her regular doctor, and her PCP did give her narcotics in some form, but not many/enough.

She was in terrible pain and her referral still hadn't gone through to the PM doctor, which meant it could be another month or two until she got in. She decided to try NNCIP instead, since she could get an appointment quickly, and was hopeful they would give her medicine to control her pain.

She didn't get that. She got a doctor who only wanted her to keep doing epidurals, and at the same time she basically had to sign her life away at the NNCIP doctor's office. So now she has to go through 'undoing' everything she did and signed at NNCIP so she can get her own doctor back and get to the PM clinic.

Many doctors just don't 'get' Fibro and the pain it causes, and it sounds like she got a doctor who falls in that category. I really feel for you because I have a close friend with fibro. Believe it or not, she is on oxycontin, percocets, Soma and valium. And large amounts of it too. It amazing how different doctors treat fibro patients.

Good Luck to you. Since the doctor didn't prescribe any narcotics, you shouldn't have any trouble undoing the whole mess and getting back to where you were before you went. Believe me, getting into a PM clinic is much preferred, as they will offer better medicines than just hydrocodone. You will have to go back every month though, since most PM clinics prescribe at least one Schedule II medicine and those have to be written up each month. Plus the PM doctor needs to know if the medicine is working, if you are having complications with anything you received, and if other procedures or physical therapy will help you.

If I got all of the above wrong, please excuse me! I think I read it right, but you never know. And I truly do hope that you get into a PM clinic quickly, since Fibro pain attacks basically every part of your body and makes it incredibly difficult to do even the smallest of tasks. I do think the clinic will be a huge help to you and I think you'll be given medicine that will at least lessen the pain so you can deal with the children. I have a traveling husband too and totally understand how difficult it is to be the 100% care taker of small children all the time. It's like a day care nightmare that won't go away - LOL!

I , to, don't understand the confusion people are having with what Kbear wrote.

Basically Kbear went NNCIP for convenience, and with the 'assumption' that a Pain Management doctor from an online service dedicated to treat people with pain who are poorly treated by other doctors (the typical Dr.), without the stigma, would do, well.. just that. Be compassionate, not be uptight about prescriptions and so forth.

Instead Kbear was the prime candidate for a very high dose of pain medication with all the records to prove it. Instead got prescribed 30 pills, way under what is needed for Kbears condition I can safely assume.

Not to mention it seems the doctor was very condescending being the typical Brick and Mortar MD you would see anywhere else that thinks you are a drugdealer and an addict all rolled up into one.

So, Kbear was very unsatisfied to put it lightly with NNCIP, but does 'approve' of what they are doing. Trying to help people with chronic pain.

As I understand it, now Kbear is just getting her life in order to see a previous or recommended Dr. to get adequate pain relief that wasn't 'quite' as convenient in location and time as NNCIP was.

This isn't to say NNCIP is bad, or your experience will be this way. Though it is to say there is no guarantee you will get what you might expect. Say you are walking in expecting the typical 4 Lortab 10's a day.. Despite your condition you might walk out with 1 a day.

More reports are needed to see what the 'norm' is I suppose.

No she didn't. Went with NNCIP out of convenience. She is following through with local because NNCIP didn't work out.



Yes, Fibromyalgia puts one into a mental FOG often, it is a classic symptom. Heck just plain ol' pain will do it as well. Despite that, I think Kbear posted very well, stated her point(s) clearly and concisely. I'm amazed at the confusion. But, be that as it may I think it is cleared up now.

I think things are going to work out for Kbear, it is just going to take a month or more to get a proper local appointment and so forth. We all know 1-2months without adequate relief is a living hell.

Very good explanation Lynx4 -- Though she did get 'some' medication.. for pain 30 Lortabs. But technically you are right it was 'enough' to control the pain.

Thanks for the post, it clears alot up..

I've been absent from here due to surgery..my Im surprised when I went a few pages through this post.

Wasn't this company suppose to hook people up with a caring compassionate Dr.? From what I've read, they are charging you basically to put you in touch with a Dr. that may or may not give you releif. Sounds more like those lists people sell on the internet to be a middle man so to speak.

Putting people in touch with a Dr. in your state sounds nothing more than what people having been doing all along, on their own,trying to find a compassionate Dr. to treat them with out having to pay for someone else to do it...I may be off here, but from what I read, some people are having a tough go at it.

I thought all you signed up were suppose to be put in contact with an understanding Dr?

clue me in a little since its been about a month since I checked in here, thank you.

Kbear, I'm very sorry about your experience with the Texas doctor.I don't understand what happened.
I went there April 17th.
He was very nice..gave me a full physical.
He gave me 120 hydros and some valiums.
My pcp faxed in a years worth of records for him.
My experience was the opposite of yours. He treated me with respect. I liked him from the moment I met him.
So sorry!

To be honest here, I am just shocked that our experiences are at the opposite ends of the spectrum with the NNCIP doctors. Either really really good(5* from me) or really really bad. I read and re-read k's negative experience, and the only thing she mentioned was the personality clash. I am sorry and believe me I can understand the devastation I would have felt if I had had that kind of experience when I saw the NNCIP doctor. I guess I just don't get it. NNCIP should have feedback from the doctor. Find out what he submitted to them. If for nothing else, just a for piece of mind.

I too have had nothing but a great experience with NNCIP! I have only seen 2 people that have had a problem since they started with dozens of positive posts about them. With any service, you are bound to get some negative experiences and it's hard to sort it all out without all the facts. Most times with any provider someone will post about their bad experience and then don't post again or never answer all of the questions other posters have regarding the situation in order for us all to really get a grip on what really happened. There are so many things that could have happened.

Either way, I am very sorry to hear about what happened and hope everything works out for you.

BBM

I have a feeling now what happened. I thought it odd the texas dr. had me leave w/out scripts. He called and asked my pharmasist what the hightest amount of hydro I had been prescribed was. Well he neglected to talk to my dr. which referred me to a pain clinic...this doctor was giving me shots of chemo drugs for a 300pd man...that I believe is what happened along with the fact we had a personality clash. In case this info can help anyone he is also one of the dr.s with southwest. Take care all..

Dear Kbear: I hope you are able to get some relief. I am so sorry that you have had a bad experience. For many of us this service has been like a miracle. I see the Illinois doctor and I just love her. I guess it's like anywhere, doctors are different, even in pain management. I really am suprised that he made as many calls as he did about your previous prescriptions.......didn't they figure all that out before you were seen? I would hope that someone would review your records prior to your appointment so you could have some expectation of the outcome of the appointment. My experience has been that the girls at NNCIP are great. I even got a phone call asking if the doctor and this service seemed legitimate and professional enough! For me it was an absolute yes.

Hopefully your new PM doctor will be just what you are looking for! Let us know how you come along as many of us are hoping for the best for you...

I agree here with that idea. I would think part of the process that this outfit goes through when they screen to find doctors in all of the states and areas is to do their best to make sure that the dr.'s practice includes treating those people that are suffering from conditions that include chronic pain.

Given that I guess the final decision can't really be made before the patient actually has the appointment and talks/consults with the doctor. I don't think that it can be expected as well for the patient to expect a certain medication or specific dosage as well. Although in reading some of the earlier posts, if someone is given a third or less than half of a medication that they had previously been prescribed, then that is not good either, that is down right wrong, imo.

I guess I'm just saying that you can't expect this OCS to make an assertion that before the patient walks into the doctor's office that they can expect to be given "x" med and "x" amount for the quantity and "x" for the strength. If that is to be expected beforehand, then I think LE would get wind of that and call it fishy. Then you would have it be again no better than walking into an infamous "pill mill", and I'm sure this place is trying to be the new model for this industry. JMO

BTW, aren't all of these doctor's offices current existing clinics?

Yes, I believe that they are, at least mine is.

I agree that you can't guarantee medications to patients. Every patient is different as is every doctor. LE would definitely get interested. I believe they are hard enough on the physicians calling in the prescriptions!

I visited their doctor in Atlanta today. I was nervous at first, but the consultation went very well. Hopefully this is the model for pain treatment from now on.

The doctor listened to me and suggested several options for treatment. It was very professional(as a medical practice should be), and I left wondering why I had been so nervous before the appointment.

There was a slight mix up with my records and appointment time, but I brought along an additional documentation just in case, so this was only a minor glitch.

A word of advice for anyone visiting a doctor in the east, since NNCIP is based in the western US, their office is not open to resolve and problems if your appointment is in the early morning. I would bring any and every medical record plus printouts of emails with NNCIP. This was crucial for me to prove that I had an appointment scheduled, as the Dr's office could not find my appointment in their system. All I did was show them my confirmation email, and problem solved.

Thanks NNCIP!

-psymn

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This sounds like it is just what I am looking for. I'm so glad that this model is being used. It seems like such a very sensible approach that I suggested some time ago that it may be the only viable one. I couldn't understand why more places haven't attempted it.

I should easily be able to drive to this place, some of the docs I'm currently seeing are already in Queens. I think I'm going to go with this place. If anyone remembers my saga about not getting my records from my doc, I filed a complaint with OCR back in October. I finally got a call from the doc's office that I can come and pick up my records. I just need to review them to make sure that it's not the insurance forms etc, that they tried to give me before. Once I get those I think I'll send them in along with the records I have from some of my specialists. I also need to find a new PCP since after the record fiasco I have no faith in the doc I'd been seeing at all.

I very much need a doc that has a comprehensive approach. I need to see so many specialists and sub specialists that it is quite exhausting. I'm sadly thinking I really may not be able to continue to work after all. I'm having such a hard time physically and just keeping doc appts is almost a full time job. Thanks so much for sharing as it seems I need a PCP like this too but until I can find one I would be content to get some insight into what is going on with me.

Regarding your pharm experience, I believe the tech just wasn't knowledgeable. I think the triplicate script has been around for awhile and the fact that she hasn't seen one is a bit bothersome. So many folks live in NJ and work in NY that she must have lots of NY scripts, even so, they really should know what is going on and be competent in their field. I hate the way some people make proclamations about things that they really know nothing about! "this is not a valid script" etc. It sounds like you handled this way better than I would've. I can't find any reason that would make what she said valid, I think she misunderstood what she was told or didn't explain it right. Did she even apologize to you? Afterall, if she knows things are changing so much and can get confusing she shouldn't have spoken to you as if she knew for sure what she was saying. She should have presented it more like, gee, I'm not sure about this, I need to check it out, not, go back and get a "real" script. I'm glad that you are close enough to my state and can share your experiences. I didn't know that there was a DS place with a NY doc. I guess I was hoping that I wouldn't have to go the OCS route at all. Anyway, thanks!

kskex5----that exactly what NNCIP does. They provide you references to real doctors, who will see you face to face who may be more compassionate than other doctors. In some cities, that is tough..others your right---just go see your appriate doc, use insurance and you should get what your doctor feels necessart for your pain or whatever the problem. I go to PM doc few blocks away who will writes me 180 count 10mg Oxys if I want them-- no refills though. I don't use him much. But it think this servuce offers like 6 months of refills and you only need to see doc a few times...but sure you could cut them out of the equation, but good luck with that. Not sure the sitiation where you are.