if you are used to a good amount of hydro i doubt it would be effective.

He was nice enough to give me temp access to the website so I could view the full line of products and prices. They do accept Visa and AMEX cards, so now it makes sense that he's requiring a remailer for those in the "hot spot" states. He's avoiding charge-backs.

They do take credit cards to fund the alert pay, unless he changed it today, those symbols of credit cards are confusing, because if you saw the second page, it says alert pay can be funded with visa or AmEx.

I will also mention that I have been working for a couple of hours on trying to get all the documents I need uploaded, credit checks, bank account information, cc info,
and I am close to having an alert pay account, but it will still take 10 business days to become verified.
I will start a new thread on alert pay.

I think he is not sending to hot spots just to protect his reputation.

After you think you have paid with a credit card it takes you to the site to open your alert pay account.

Login to your account
Log into your AlertPay account to complete your purchase.

Email:
Password:

Forgot Your Password?

Yep, I missed that part. I was in a hurry because I wasn't sure how long my access would last. I did glance at the page where you enter your credit card info. That's what got me confused. I thought they could just process the card.

I went back in a minute ago and saw where they state that if you use a credit card you can open a free AlertPay account.

I like their products list and they have some good deals.

Thanks Funkybreakz. I ordered them from the old Starlite, and actually liked them. Im just not sure if they are still the same ones. It seems to take my receptors a few days to adjust to this partial antagonist. Its weird how bupe works. I have heard that at about 2mg it kind of starts to "spill" over to different opiate receptors, and dosn't have much more painkilling effect but really starts to block other opiates. karmapolice

temgesic? now we know that starlite does indeed have a special controlled meds category. it was pretty obvious anyway, almost comical the way people were saying "keep it quiet".

I have tried Temgesic, but not from new Starlite. They come in 0.2mgs. You take them (sublingual) under the tongue and let them dissolve. Depending on what you want them to do you have to take a few at a time.

It also depends on what your current opioid/opiate tolerance is at. Ten of those little buggers should be equal to 0.2mgsX10=2.0mgs of buprenorphine.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buprenorphine

That is a sizeable dose. There is a chart around here to cross reference opioid/opiate medications. Some people say they help with pain others don't.

I guess I am GLAD I AM IN A "HOT SPOT" and StarlightRx.com won't register me as I am already going nuts trying to figure out how even to BEGIN to use ALERTPAY for Requestedmeds.net. They only take ALERTPAY too.

Alertpay has had some probs, i finally managed to get it working after a few attempts. hopefully they have ironed out their problems!!!

I'm not sure exactly why, but a 2mg dose of temegesic/subutex seems to be the same as a 0.2mg dose of buprenorphine, hence one 2mg tablet isn't very strong at all.

I think it would take at least 4mg for a non-opiate tolerant person to notice it. However if you are opiate tolerant you want to be in withdrawl before you take subutex, and it depends on which opiate you are dependant on as to how long to wait before taking any. If you take a decent dose (eg an 8mg tablet) then you can get really bad withdrawl symptoms if you still have opiates in your system, worse than if you'd not taken the tablet.

Starlite's subutex worked for me, but they didn't look like our branded 2mg tablets, and they didn't dissolve in quite the same distinctive way that folks who have taken prescription subutex will recognise.

I don't understand the comment above about the 'special controlled meds catagory' - these are only class C in the UK, and are clearly advertised on the site and mailings anyway.


FYI other stuff I've ordered from new Starlite has been fine, with the usual decent shipping etc.

Paid: April 1
shipped: April 2
Recieved: April 18

great packaging. Will report on quality.

LostLoginAgain. I love that name hehe. Buprenorphine is weird. Twice the dose does not equal twice the effect or even close. Your mu opiate receptor can only hold so much buprenorphine then the excess starts to spill over (becomes more of an antagonist).... to other opiate receptors that are not responsible for "painkilling".

AlertPay was a pain in the keister yesterday (Thursday). I couldn't log on for the life of me. I've had the same e-mail address and password for years. And everytime I tried to re-set my password, it still wouldn't let me log on. First time this has ever happened to me. But then again, I spent time yesterday helping others get AlertPay. Hummmm, that was Karma in reverse

But it's working just hunky dorey today

NBG-I just used WU. It was expesive $12 but not a hassle at all. I know that Alert pay has its benefits though. I have a WU right down the street. It made me a little anxious to just send the $, but these guys came through. Good luck all

I placed my first order since the original starlite on 4/3/08.

My order arrived on 4/18/08.

I was very skeptical, but much to my surprise Jim delivered exactally as described.

Quality is great.

I chose to use WU for 22 bucks from Publix, but his prices and the descretion of WU is well worth it to me.

I have had very poor luck since the original starlite, but I now have a new best friend! Thanks Jim.

Shipped 4/1
Received 4/19

These guys are great.

The point I was making was that what is described, for example at Starlite, as 0.2mg of buprenorphine, is the same dose as when a Dr scripts 2mg subutex.

I agree it's a weird drug, both in the antagonist properties and the difficulty in finding equivalence with other opiates.

I don't really think it's that suited for pain relief, in comparison with other opiate options. Nor is it much good for anyone seeking an opiate buzz recreationally. However it seems to be really effective in getting off both legal and illegal morphine-based drugs.

I don't know what you mean. I thought it would take 10x.02mg(Temgesic)=2.0mg Subutex. Am I missing something?

He's saying that if you took 10 Temgesics, you may not get as much pain relief as taking 2 Temgesics. This may be true due to the antagonistic action of buprenorphine.

I know that 0.2 - 0.4mg of buprenorphine is indicated for moderate to severe pain, but higher doses aren't.

The question is, at what dose is the analgesic ceiling of buprenorphine?

I contacted Jim/staff yesterday and they answered my requests/questions quickly. Their service is always great. I will keep you all posted. So far they are batting 1000. Knock on wood.

Nephro-Thanks I did not understand.

Lost Login - I have taken both and am not sure if I totally agree with that theory. For me neither worked that well on pain (so I guess you are right), but they both work well for opiate dependency.

Buprenorphine IS temgesic. A dosage of 0.6mg should be enough for most pain. And SUBUTEX is a special high dose formulation purely for the withdrawal of patients from heavy opiate habits, not for pain at all. SUBUXONE also containes NALTREXONE which is why it is the preferred prescription for patients who require higher dose tablets than Temgesic because of their habits.
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suboxone contains naloxone, not naltrexone. and it's in sub to stop heavy-duty drug users from shooting it up, that is it's only purpose.

I am really interested to hear if these fractional doses of .2-.4 stop withdrawals and help with pain. those of us who take sub rx'd thru a doc are given doses of 8-16mgs a day. that's 50 times as much as a .2 dose.

jl767 - did you try your temgesic yet? did the tiny dose stop withdrawals?

my sub doc says that the ceiling effective dose is 24-32mg a day. and the 'antagonist' property is simply the fact that sub bounces back all other narcotics. sub does not actually antagonize any of your receptors.

If buprenorphine only 'bounces back' other narcotics, one would have thought that increasing the buprenorphine dose would increase analgesic effects, starting at 0.2mg. There would be no ceiling. For those with heavy tolerance, maybe 50 times more. But people with moderate tolerance are still taking 16mg and not experiencing analgesia or euphoria.

Subutex is actually indicated for analgesia as well as opioid dependence and comes in 0.4mg SL tablets, as well as higher doses.

For opioid-naive patients, 0.2 - 0.4mg is indicated for moderate to severe pain.

Scruf I took Temgesic 0.2mg in early 2003. I remember ordering from a place in Thailand. I think it was Thailand (don't think they are around any more), but when I received them I had a very high tolerance. In order for those pills (Temgesic 0.2mg) to help me feel normal, I would have probably have had to take 20-30pills (sublingual) at a time. Instead I took 8x0.2mg=(1.6mg) per day and just used them to stave off full-blown withdrawal discomfort. I did not feel great but I did not want to curl up and die. I also did not have the bathroom issues/bad cramping. By the last day 7th day I had tapered down and felt OK just a little cramping.

I will tell you that the 2mg and 4mg Subonex (cramping too on the last day) was much more effective. I was in an out patient detox center that started me at 8mg of Subonex. It was really expensive though. I would walk in pay (cash)$153.00 (Initial sign up was $600.00) a day and walk out 2 hours later. They used to make you wait around for an hour after the dosage was administered by a nurse. It was an OK place, but kind of expensive.

They would serve me a real lunch with cloth napkins and silverware. In the end though the short-term detox did not work for me. I had long-term issues that took a long-term detox program to get it right.

If you have a high tolerance 50x0.2mg may not be enough to work effectively. I would also advise you to go somewhere you can be monitored for a long time and weaned off slowly, but that is what worked for me. You have to figure out what works for you. Temgesic (0.2mg) is still a great product that gives you the ability to take matters in your own hands.

PM me Scruf if you want to talk about anything in depth.

The last 3 times I ordered from Starlite was a couple of years ago, and all three orders were seized. About $300 worth. I see all the good feedback and was wondering if they are using x-ray tape now? Also, has anyone ordered who lives in Missouri, and had success?

afoaf is impressed with Starlights product, prompt dispatch, top notch customer service, and No BS... rapid postmarks
from time paid.

Erm, wow.

Ordered 15th, arrived today, 22nd. 1 week exactly from money transfer pickup to arrival in the UK.

That's like pretty awesome. That's ... better than Joe!

Ordered again today WU.

Will update upon response/delivery.

Ordered on the 4th, received today on the 22nd. Fantastic product and packaging! These guys kick [censored].....good communication and alertpay is easy once you set it up.