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#651763 - 02/17/08 03:31 PM
20 Most Dangerous Drugs in Britain - Rank Order
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GRAND Pooh-Bah
Registered: 09/04/06
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A BBC Horizon programme on 5th February documented a collaborated effort by doctors, drug workers and others to throw out the current classification system and replace it with something more up to date. The article was published in the Lancet. The drugs were ranked by taking into account harm to the body, addictiveness and effects on society. Many prescription drugs are included, and in fact appear more at the higher ranks, so I thought it worthy of the board. There are a few surprises here I thought, and no doubt others will think too. In reverse order: 20: khat 19: amyl/butyl nitrate 18: ecstacy 17: GHB 16: anabolic steroids 15: methylphenidate (Ritalin) 14: LSD 13: 4MTA 12: solvents 11: cannabis 10: buprenorphine (Temgesic, Suboxone) 9: tobacco 8: amphetamines 7: benzodiazepines (Valium, Xanax etc) 6: ketamine 5: alcohol 4: methadone 3: barbiturates 2: cocaine 1: heroin
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#651987 - 02/17/08 09:10 PM
Re: 20 Most Dangerous Drugs in Britain - Rank Order
[Re: nephro]
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Banned by popular demand. Looks like another ID of Boltin1
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Crystal meth doesn't appear to be an issue in the UK - yet. I'm sure it would be ranked very highly if it was a problem. And all pseudoephedrine products can be bought without question from all pharmacies. But by you being in the UK, let me spell out something that you may not know, but could prove to be helpfull, not just to you, but in general to people in the UK. Did you know that while yes, you can buy all types of pseudoephedrine products can be bought legally, in the US, but/however, did you know that they are all actually "behind" the counter now, and not only is there a limit put on how many boxes or cough/cold/syrup based too - medications that you can legally buy in the US at any pharmacy, but our federal law requires the pharmacist to have you sign and fill out a log in a federal "exception log"/registry that tracks all of these type products that you purchase. I belive that they do this because it takes quite a few boxes (from what I read), to make crystal meth. And before this was in place, people were buying like 20 boxes or so at a time. Now I read stories too and see on TV, about people that go from pharmacy to pharmacy, and buying whatever the legal limit is per day/week/month and maxing out that legal limit. What I guess those people don't realize, is that the DEA comes by from time to time, checking out that log/registry and starts to investigate you, and then I've seen on a local TV show, one of those usually stupid ( you can tell I don't them ), reality shows, but in this one, they show how the DEA has literally followed a person around, and after lets say when they believe that they have enough proof on you buying these OTC meds, going above and beyond the normal amount that any one person may have/use, they wait, for example, for the next purhcase a customer makes, follows them just out to their car and when they make the move to open their door, they get approached and busted (arrested with intent to illegally manufacture a controlled substance. BAD BAD NEWS
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#651998 - 02/17/08 09:19 PM
Re: 20 Most Dangerous Drugs in Britain - Rank Order
[Re: FrankienJonnie]
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Banned by popular demand. Looks like another ID of Boltin1
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VERY VERY suprising. Here are my thoughts: and questions for those "chemists" and or "doctors" out there. HEY DEA, go ahead and put your two cents in too. I'm sure you're very educated in this as well. I would be looking for comments like a "why" perhaps and not paying attention to the ranking, well, maybe a little bit, but from what I know about a certain med, where does the "danger" come in; concering abuse and addication (hense diversion): 19: Nitrates (My mom takes what I think it a nitrate. It comes in this little bottle about the circumfrence of a double AA battery but is only like an inch high. She uses it becuase she has a weak heart, and she's told to take it when she has trouble breathing or "catching" her breath. Any comments on why/how that's considered abusive or addicative? 20. Khat (What exactly is this?) 10. Sub/Bupe (doesn't this just replace the void that gets filled into the receptors and or connections they make in our brain and those that create or make endorphens? So, it allows a person to get off of, lets say hydro for example, but lets the person not go through any withdrawls. But from what I read, doesn't give that euphoria feeling. 9. Tobacco (like buying cigaretts would ever be turned into an illegal substance?)...-WOW! And here is my major question on this, while I don't smoke, I have a friend that went in rehab for drug addiction and he tells me that so many people are "smokers" in there and that if you would take away that (according to the 12 step programs out there), most group Rules may have/involve seperate meetings for those that smoke and those that don't, but he tells me that he's never been to a meeting or location/group where their Rules say absolutely no smoking at all. I think if that happened, all of AA and NA would cease to exist! LOL - Thoughts? ??) Which number would go into the category for a med like Adderall? I know that's bad (Sch.II). So where does it fit? And how does something like Adderall become addictive. Is this what's considered an "upper"..sorry for the old timer slang name (if that's true, LOL!!)  6.) Ketamine (I do know about this, but isn't this often used, or it's only actual use, made for "animals"??? I imagine that it can get stolen from an animal clinic, but if that's the only way (as most addicts try to get their needs from benine means and don't want to break the law every time they have to get their fix).
Edited by FrankienJonnie (02/17/08 09:23 PM)
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#652082 - 02/18/08 04:49 AM
Re: 20 Most Dangerous Drugs in Britain - Rank Order
[Re: FrankienJonnie]
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GRAND Pooh-Bah
Registered: 09/04/06
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VERY VERY suprising. Here are my thoughts: and questions for those "chemists" and or "doctors" out there. HEY DEA, go ahead and put your two cents in too. I'm sure you're very educated in this as well. I would be looking for comments like a "why" perhaps and not paying attention to the ranking, well, maybe a little bit, but from what I know about a certain med, where does the "danger" come in; concering abuse and addication (hense diversion): 19: Nitrates (My mom takes what I think it a nitrate. It comes in this little bottle about the circumfrence of a double AA battery but is only like an inch high. She uses it becuase she has a weak heart, and she's told to take it when she has trouble breathing or "catching" her breath. Any comments on why/how that's considered abusive or addicative? 20. Khat (What exactly is this?) 10. Sub/Bupe (doesn't this just replace the void that gets filled into the receptors and or connections they make in our brain and those that create or make endorphens? So, it allows a person to get off of, lets say hydro for example, but lets the person not go through any withdrawls. But from what I read, doesn't give that euphoria feeling. 9. Tobacco (like buying cigaretts would ever be turned into an illegal substance?)...-WOW! And here is my major question on this, while I don't smoke, I have a friend that went in rehab for drug addiction and he tells me that so many people are "smokers" in there and that if you would take away that (according to the 12 step programs out there), most group Rules may have/involve seperate meetings for those that smoke and those that don't, but he tells me that he's never been to a meeting or location/group where their Rules say absolutely no smoking at all. I think if that happened, all of AA and NA would cease to exist! LOL - Thoughts? ??) Which number would go into the category for a med like Adderall? I know that's bad (Sch.II). So where does it fit? And how does something like Adderall become addictive. Is this what's considered an "upper"..sorry for the old timer slang name (if that's true, LOL!!) 6.) Ketamine (I do know about this, but isn't this often used, or it's only actual use, made for "animals"??? I imagine that it can get stolen from an animal clinic, but if that's the only way (as most addicts try to get their needs from benine means and don't want to break the law every time they have to get their fix). Your mother probably takes glyceryl trinitrate. Some nitrates are abused to enhance sexual activities. They can cause blacking out and act very quickly. Khat I know nothing about - best to Google it. Buprenorphine can cause euphoria, especially when injected, and Temgesic tablets are very soluble, being sublingual. Adderall would fall into the amphetamines category. Ketamine is sourced either from hospitals or vet practices. It is used more with children than adults, because children do not seem to experience the same disturbances that adults do.
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#652142 - 02/18/08 08:35 AM
Re: 20 Most Dangerous Drugs in Britain - Rank Order
[Re: nephro]
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Registered: 11/29/04
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I have a problem with this list. Where are NSAIDS, such as Celebrex, Mobic, Daypro? Get this....I got a script for Daypro filled last week. I specifically asked my doctor about stomach problems with this. He said it's not known to cause them. Well my spouse picks up my script and attached to the package is a two page warning letter. Big, blacker than black bold ink. This, in addition to the normal info attached to every script describing interactions, warnings, etc...well this letter scared the bejesus out of me. One possible side effect? DEATH due to stomach or intestinal bleeds. When I was taking hydro for my pain I didn't get a warning letter like this, nor have I received a warning letter like this on any other med I was ever prescribed. The bottom line is that they would rather prescribe a pain med to people that could kill them than one that MIGHT make you addicted to the med. God forbid you become dependant on a narcotic. It's better for you to die from a bleed, heart attack or stroke. Now I am afraid to take it. I've already been on a few meds that have been recalled over the years. One was Vioxx and another was some non narcotic pain med, which I can't recall the name of. I got a call from the pharamcist telling me to stop taking them immediaately and get to my doctor asap for blood work. When I asked if I could put off the blood work...what could happen if I did, his response was that I could die or would need a liver transplant if this drug damaged my liver. Real nice, huh???
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