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#84227 - 03/04/04 08:57 PM Ordering controlled substances abroad ****
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Can I order controlled prescription drugs from foreign pharmacies?

Yes and No. It depends. In most cases the answer is: NO

Click here for a very long legal overview.

Many foreign pharmacies say it is legal to order for personal use and some pharmacy watch groups try to lure members by telling them that after paying the membership fee they will learn how to legally order (any drug) without a prescription, bla, bla, bla. They are not telling the truth.

Also note that many so called "online pharmacies" are not licensed as pharmacies in any way...


The law is simple. Prescription drugs require a prescription. Controlled prescription drugs require a prescription and a permit from the DEA. This permit is not easy to obtain by the average person



It is not the same to order meds by mail than to carry your meds with you when you travel.

To see a sample of a seizure letter - and warning - sent by customs to those that ordered controlled substances abroad and had their orders intercepted: click here

The following is a an older letter, from 2003, received by a person that ordered Alprozalam (Xanax) from a "foreign pharmacy"

Quote:

"US Customs Service

22685 Holiday Park Drive, Suite 15

Sterling, VA 20166





Dear Mr. XXXXXX:



This is your official notification that on April 28, 2003, Inspectors of the Bureau of Customs and Border Protection seized 14.7 grams of Alprazolam found in a parcel addressed to you at the Dulles International Mail Facility. The items have an estimated appraised value of $6.00. The substances were being imported in violation of Title 19, United States Code (USC), section 1497 "Penalties for Failure to Declare," Title 21 USC, section 953, "Importation of Controlled Substances," Title 19 USC, section 1595(a) "Merchandise Introduced Contrary to Law," 18 United States Code, section 545 "Smuggling" and Title 21, Code of Federal Regulations, part 1312, "Importation and Exportation of Controlled Substances."



This notice also serves as an official notification that administrative forfeiture proceedings shall be instituted against the seized merchandise. Please be advised that the Bureau of Customs and Border Protection will advertise the substances by posting a "Notice of seizure and Intent to Forfeit" at the Port of Washingtond, D.C. The first noticed will be published on or about Monday, June 02, 2003.



Under provisions of Title 19, USC, section 1618, you have the right to petition for administrative relief from forfeiture of the seized drugs. Your petition must include a copy of the approved DEA form 236 you filed prior to importation of your shipment. Please be aware that the submussion of a prescription will not grant release of these drugs. You must file your petition with this office within 30 days from the date of this letter, or your merchandise will be forfeited to the U.S. Government and destroyed in accordance with the law. If you fail to respond to this notice within the 30-day period, the controlled substances will be forfeited to the United States Government and the case will be considered close.



The enclosed notice of Seizure and Information for Clamaints explains your options for remission of the forfeiture. Ifyou choose to petition for relief from forfeiture, you must complete and submit the enclosed Election of Proceedings form along with your petition. This submission will defer the judicial or administrativve proceedings until completion of the administrative process.



To advoid any future violations, your doctor or pharmacist must comply with the drug Enforcemnt Administration requirement. All controlled substances imported should be registered abd the appropriaete import declaration, DEA form 236, is filed with DE not less than 15 days before importation. Ordinary citizens are not permitted to import scheduled drugs. However, if you think you may be eligibke please request and file all applications with the DEA, International drug unit, Washington, D.C. 20537.



All petitions should be filed in duplicate and forwared to Bureau of Customs and Border Protection, Port Case Numbers, Fines, Penalties, and Fofeitures Office, P.O. Box 17423, Washington, D.C. 20041. If you have any questions contact xxx at (703) 318 - 5900 ext. xxx



Sincerly,

Name Removed

Fines, Penalties, and Forfeitures Officer

Port of Washington, D.C"








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#84230 - 07/15/05 07:33 PM Re: Ordering controlled substances abroad
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"This is your official notification that on April 28, 2003, Inspectors of the Bureau of Customs and Border Protection seized 14.7 grams of Alprazolam found in a parcel addressed to you at the Dulles International Mail Facitlity. The items have an estimated appraised value of $6.00."

14.7 grams is 14,700 milligrams. That would be 14,700 xanax pills if they were 1 mg. each. A street value of 6 dollars???? Sure thing.

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#84236 - 02/22/06 06:24 AM Re: Ordering controlled substances abroad
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That letter was retyped by the member that sent it to us... we just copy-n-pasted it.
Special thanks to the member that took the time to retype that letter.

A reminder, and request, to all members that have received LL's: If you can... please black out your personal info, Scan, and attach them to one of your posts...

Please click here to see a more recent letter

Thank you
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#84237 - 06/14/06 10:39 PM Re: Ordering controlled substances abroad
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if a substance is unscheduled, is this possible to have happen as well? Tramadol is unscheduled as far as I know, would customs seize such an order if purchased from an IOP?

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#84238 - 11/25/06 11:12 AM Re: Ordering controlled substances abroad
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I am new to all this and am trying to find out the most reasonably priced and trustworthy site to order medications (don't have a prescription though) online. Please help!

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#84239 - 11/28/06 06:32 PM Re: Ordering controlled substances abroad
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As I am new to this forum, but see that I could be of help to some people in this area, please let me know if anyone needs advice here. I recently received such a letter, and it came to my place of business - and I was in HEAPS of trouble over it as a result.

Yet I am still dumbfounded as to why it came to my work and also why it came at all: I had received all of my outstanding orders from overseas that I had paid for - so this was extremely troublesome.

In essence, I was confronted with all but a company 'intervention' of sorts...and I never wish to experience it again. I should mention that mine is a family business -- but still --- very embarrassing to say the LEAST!
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#84240 - 11/28/06 06:36 PM Re: Ordering controlled substances abroad
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I wouldn't suggest this...read my post earlier. However, I have found wonderful sites right here in our good ol' US of A. I don't know if I should disclose the names, however; as I do not want to lose a good thing. I think they are doing a legal service, but, since I cannot be one hundred percent sure, well...enough said!
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#84241 - 12/01/06 01:08 AM Re: Ordering controlled substances abroad
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Hi, Pinky!! Like you I'm pretty new to this board, but also new to ordering my meds online. If you could help me locate a legitimate site that would be great!!! We've got to help eachother out these days...:) I think you can PM me...

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#84242 - 12/01/06 09:43 AM Re: Ordering controlled substances abroad
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My first post.........I have researched for 2 months trying to find the best online site for my needs.........then found this site that would have spared me all the trouble. Would be so thankful for the name of the site Pinky1987 knows about. Please help..........first time to post.......looking for best place to place first order.

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#84243 - 12/10/06 08:04 AM Re: Ordering controlled substances abroad
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IM4U SHIPPED MY ORDER NEXT DAY. I'LL WAIT AND SEE HOW LONG IT TAKES TO ARRIVE
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#84244 - 12/13/06 05:25 PM Re: Ordering controlled substances abroad
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I am sorry I took so very long - my fav and best is the following:

VeryBestMeds

Good luck!

Although, I did have to initially fax them a large copy of my driver's license but after that - they were AWESOME
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#84245 - 12/14/06 02:54 PM Re: Ordering controlled substances abroad
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Hey - how did your order with them go? Did you get it safe and sound yet?
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#84246 - 01/04/07 10:42 AM Re: Ordering controlled substances abroad
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Quote:

if a substance is unscheduled, is this possible to have happen as well? Tramadol is unscheduled as far as I know, would customs seize such an order if purchased from an IOP?




if you want Tramadol buy it from a LEGIT IOP like mastersmarketing (30$/100) which does everything legal (like declaring it proper)

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#84247 - 01/04/07 01:12 PM Re: Ordering controlled substances abroad
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could some one help me i need a site who will ship to ky
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#84248 - 01/04/07 01:19 PM Re: Ordering controlled substances abroad
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Any International pharmacy will send to Kentucky

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#84249 - 01/04/07 02:40 PM Re: Ordering controlled substances abroad
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Love the avatar! LOL

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#84250 - 01/07/07 02:41 PM Re: Ordering controlled substances abroad
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Hi - newbie here (*so be gentle*) - but I don't understand why someone in the U.S. would want to even deal with an overseas OP....I mean, aside from customs concerns, what about ingredients and such? It just seems to me that there are plenty of US OP's (even some w/no R's)so I dont' understand why even deal with the overseas mess and craziness?
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#84251 - 01/08/07 08:02 AM Re: Ordering controlled substances abroad
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Well if you have no records or old records then you are limited to nrops or iops. Most nrops are not shipping but still accepting money. So you send them $200 for for say (90)2mg Generic xanax. You wait two weeks and receive nothing beause the pharmacy the nrop was using to fill the prescriptions is under investigation. While all along you could have sent that $200 resonable iop and received much more mgs in xanax and received in about 2 weeks aswell. Iops have a much higher risk of being confiscated by customs at an entry point. But as long as you are importing a reasonable amount you normally will only receive a letter from customs.

Now in some states I have heard about people going to pick up their packages at fedex from rops only to have the police stop them as they exit the facility. Most people assume rops are fully legal. But some states require a face to face consulation for a prescription. Which rops can not do. So some unlucky people are being arrested.

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#84252 - 01/08/07 10:43 AM Re: Ordering controlled substances abroad
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Hmmmm...well thanks for answering that for me Gumbi (love your username by the way!)...I was curious...I guess if I were in that situation it would be a viable option...how sad that in America that people who have CP (chronic pain) have to add all this stress and tension, just because we want a higher quality of life....but thanks for settin' me straight - I hope you have a wonderful day!

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#84253 - 04/11/07 05:47 PM Re: Ordering controlled substances abroad
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purfull:

You ask why deal with overseas folks? Have yolu noticed who makes the best electronics, cars, watches, clothes (and I could go onm)? It ain't the good old US of A. And I like to buy American if possible, but some "foreign" products are better quality. Now, when you are dealing with so-called "third world" companies I can see where you might have some concerns, but even their medication is suprisingly good. Most problems occur are not bad meds, but bogus meds.
End of rant.
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#565840 - 09/20/07 01:33 PM Re: Ordering controlled substances abroad [Re: CairoKid]
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14.7 grams or milligrams big difference

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#588340 - 10/26/07 02:40 PM Re: Ordering controlled substances abroad [Re: apex11]
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from close friends past experiences even before the usa breakdown of the internet industry


i would advise stay away ---- the prices arent the same -- the quality can be questionable and 50 percent or more you are waiting for the shipment

and unfortunately the dea takes your information as it gets seized at customs 45 percent of the time -- i dont even want to imagine what they do with the collection of names and products ?

gd luk if you feel confident to roll the dice

peace n respect

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#589139 - 10/27/07 06:22 PM Re: Ordering controlled substances abroad [Re: ouchiejaw]
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I beg to differ this is not the way a federal ofical would write a legal document

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#591486 - 10/31/07 04:28 PM Re: Ordering controlled substances abroad [Re: kindcorp]
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I have had my last three shipments from India seized. you ask why keep trying.....the last order, i was assurred would not be shipped from overseas. shame on me.

so the DEA has my name three times. hope i do not get a visit.

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#592969 - 11/02/07 11:08 PM Re: Ordering controlled substances abroad [Re: patb]
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i gave it some tries over the years for anxiety medication -- my primary doctor didnt want me on benzo's for too long and i had so many reasons i needed yet i just didnt wanna do the whole phychiatrist thang ???! when I did get in usa it was 30 pills of smallest strength for 30 days -- it just wasnt right --



but -- to my eyes !

and long long waits - adding more anxiety --

then the crazy anxiety once you get the government letter ????????ouch well ..

i went 9 out of 10 ---

thats 9 seized by customs over 5 years -=- and just one happened to slip through last year -- i considered myself lucky with the one package and called it quits !

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#592970 - 11/02/07 11:09 PM Re: Ordering controlled substances abroad [Re: kindcorp]
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never will i even try again

nevert ---- as patb said now they have my name 9 times --- wow --

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#593002 - 11/03/07 02:16 AM Re: Ordering controlled substances abroad [Re: Administrator]
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No offense meant, Admin, but there ARE exceptions to that rule; one I know of personally. As I live near the Canadian border (in two different states), you ARE allowed to purchase 222's (or generic equivalent), also known as Tylenol #2 and transport it across the border. There is a limit, of course, but I believe it is 100 tabs per person per trip.

I have also had relatives who live near the Mexican border and purchase various meds down there to transport with no Customs probs.

Just sharing - don't shoot the messenger - LOL!


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Admin comments: I take no offense. Why would your comment offend me or anyone?
Note it is not the same to travel into the USA with prescription drugs as ordering prescription drugs to be sent to you in the mail. Travellers are allowed to travel with a certain, reasonable amount of legally obtained prescription drugs. This thread is about ordering controlled substances abroad and having them sent to you by mail, Fedex, or similar...
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#611041 - 12/08/07 11:21 AM Re: Ordering controlled substances abroad [Re: Survivor]
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 Originally Posted By: Survivor
No offense meant, Admin, but there ARE exceptions to that rule; one I know of personally. As I live near the Canadian border (in two different states), you ARE allowed to purchase 222's (or generic equivalent), also known as Tylenol #2 and transport it across the border. There is a limit, of course, but I believe it is 100 tabs per person per trip.

I have also had relatives who live near the Mexican border and purchase various meds down there to transport with no Customs probs.

Just sharing - don't shoot the messenger - LOL!


That's not a C-IV in the US.
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#611257 - 12/09/07 02:21 AM Re: Ordering controlled substances abroad [Re: kindcorp]
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 Originally Posted By: kindcorp
from close friends past experiences even before the usa breakdown of the internet industry


i would advise stay away ---- the prices arent the same -- the quality can be questionable and 50 percent or more you are waiting for the shipment

and unfortunately the dea takes your information as it gets seized at customs 45 percent of the time -- i dont even want to imagine what they do with the collection of names and products ?

gd luk if you feel confident to roll the dice

peace n respect


They have your name and address. Well John Smith and Emily Smith live all over the USA and can move from the Northwest to the Mideast to the South to the Northeast, etc. I pity all the people with common first and last names if this is truly the case.

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#612480 - 12/11/07 08:10 PM Re: Ordering controlled substances abroad [Re: CairoKid]
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Companies such as International antiaging systems are wonderful. I always get my products and they never appear tampered. They do a small range of muscle relaxers and use Old RXS that Europeans have used for years! Only the USA makes everything so difficult.

They all wanted an "Open Market" in the world, I say they have it. Its the only place I can purchase triple estrogen creams . I took it to a pharmacist here and he said it was superb:)

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