An LL stands for a "love letter". But you can get more information by reading a few more threads, or by using the search box, and typing in LL or love letter. This site has a lot of information on it, and if you get good,(by reading)
all it offers, you will find more information than you thought possible. There are even copys of love letters on this site. IT's a good thing.

Here is an example of a love letter:

http://www.drugbuyers.com/loveletter

Sorry for being OT but, STO I wanted to let you know, I put some more of that aloe stuff on after about 15 mins. and it kept me from itching for about 2 hours. Thanks so much. Khilee

I'm so happy that you are getting some relief. Itching is absolutely a horrible thing to continue doing. I'm relieved that you find the product useful. Glad I could help in all honesty, since it worked for me, I thought I'd mention it to you.

I'm sorry it only lasts two hours, with me it lasted a little bit longer, but none the less the bottle is big enough to last through your whole episode.

I just want you to feel better, as an ex shingles sufferer I wanted to pass that info on to you. Any little thing that helps with the side effects is something to talk about.

Get well soon, I'm on your side if you need anything else.

Cheers

Thanks for the info, straw. I'm still trying to figure this site out and apparently I need all the help I can get

ShesTheOne, thanks for the letter. I have a question, though. Why is everyone so freaked out if all our meds come from the US? This letter sounds like something that comes from across the border which I know is illegal. Oh, well. I'll do some searching. Thanks for all your help.

That's true, this letter comes from ordering outside the USA and not the other way around.

And it's not necessarily illegal to receive your meds from other countries. Matter of fact, it's relatively common and often less expensive.

Like I said, I'm really new to the whole ordering and posting thing so I need to do more research.

I guess people order from Canada all the time.

Thanks for everyone's help

I recieved my first LL...and like lots of people...kinda scared...and a few questions...
Will this type of thing show up on a background check?

Because the letter is from "Homeland Security", will this affect my travel? I travel alot internationally (not rich, just spend money on that instead of stuff) and I'm wondering if I'm now "marked"

Background info...I ordered codiene w/o prescription....small amount...30 tabs..
but still...I got the letter and kinda freaked...

thanks in advance...and if I'm in a wrong forum...I apologize.

I have never heard of this effecting someones backround check for work ( maybe if it's a gov't job?)
It won't, affect travel, or hasen't in my case.
I think, for now these are warnings, to make you aware of the law. I think the gov't might rather go after the supplier than the customer. But you do bring up some questions that cannot be answered with 100% certainty.

That makes sense...but then, that's putting logic on what the government does...ha (sorry, wrong forum!ha)...
I did a fair amount of "research", via boards like this and others...and it does appear that the LL is a formality, if you will, but I never really saw anything about employment checks (as it is not "out there", to me, that as the LL does have my correct legal info, that I am in a computer base that could be checked...) and the same for international travel...I have heard if of names being flagged...all under the homeland security overkill issue(at least in my opinion)
Thanks for the reply and as I have a background check coming up soon for work/school....I'll let everyone know.....

I've received four LL's over the past two years. One was from Miami, the other three were from JFK. I've been using MPR/PharmaHarry up until he closed up shop and not one of his orders got seized. Anyway, I've traveled abroad a couple of times and never had any indication that my name was "flagged" due to the LL's. No unusual searches, no looking through my meds. I carried my meds in a weekly med box (one of those plastic day-by-day things you can get for 99 cents at the drug store), and my diazepam was in there with my blood pressure meds and Cymbalta (anti-depressant). No one even asked what I had in there, if I had prescriptions, etc. I should add that I'm pretty straight looking, 53, middle class. Just a face in the crowd. I also was traveling with my wife and son. So, who knows? I'm sure my names in some computer somewhere, but I've seen postings where people have had more than four love letters and nothing happened. Mine were spread out over two years -- the last one being about eight months ago. So, who knows?

Well, that does make me feel better about traveling...as my wife and I are planning an European flight in the spring...So now as long as my background check goes clean...

On the TV news the other night-- sounds unrelated at first, but-- There was recently a large steroid bust of 5-gallon pails full of muscle-building pills captured along with 20,000 to 30,000 names and adresses of mail-order customers. The DEA spokesperson said they intended to first get the makers and distributors of these illegal (in so many ways) steroids, and then to follow up on the customer list making arrests "as appropriate". No two of us will interpret "as appropriate" exactly the same, but what's scary to me is that probably applies to prosecution as well. Different states, attorneys, doctors, agents: as many different results as possibilities. It's a scary thing to have your name out there like that, could it come back to bite your a&& many years later? My thought is if one can't handle the public scrutiny and legal ramifications, one shouldn't take the risk. The other side to that is, if one feels he/she must take those risks perhaps it is time for an intense self-examination. I can say I've been looking longer in the mirror lately myself. Others will say this doesn't apply to us or some of us, and point out the various differences, and they may be correct. All I know for sure is that saying "They can't do that" are some of the most famous last words of all.

It depends what you are buying overseas. Anything non-scheduled should not be a problem. Importing narcotics is felony drug trafficking and if prosecuted you will most likely receive a 25 year prison sentence.

That's somewhat inaccurate. In the US, anything the DEA has scheduled III thru V can be legally imported with a doctor's legitimate prescription. Those categories include several narcotics. Schedule I meds are strictly prohibited, though.

Yup. About a year ago I posted a LL I received when trying to order codeine (and I'm hardly the only person on here who has). I haven't heard anything about it since (from the government or the OP). I definitely haven't been prosecuted or sentenced, and haven't had any trouble flying or ordering meds from elsewhere, either.

Don't worry about it. You'll just cause yourself unnecessary stress.

Per DEA Notice DEA-245N:
Importing Controlled Substances From Canada and Other Foreign Countries

WOW , what did you get if you dont mind me asking. And mary jane is a class I drug? Thats strange, in my opinion anyway. If you dont want to post publicly can you send me a pm? I would like to know from where you ordered and what controlled med did you have seized.

I hope nothing bad has or does happen to who ever gt one of these. That is some scary stuff. If you need an ear i am around shoot me a pm and will help any way i can.
peace and hope you're well
jamo

Okay, so I stand corrected (big bold letters don't really help add to our comprehension level, though). It does indeed depend on what one imports.

Guess that just goes to show how strong a lobby the US pharmaceutical industry has. To go to such lengths as to wrap the state and federal governments around their fingers at the expense of the American public -- the very people they're allegedly serving -- is reprehensible. Instead, patients are required to plead with their doctors to stop their pain, end their anxiety, etc. (which often causes more pain, anxiety, etc.). Perhaps if they'd spend less money on lobbying for these laws, the prices of American prescriptions could be lower.

It's also part of the reason why, here in the US, it's easier for the average joe to acquire any given Schedule I med than any other Scheduled narcotic. Huge underground black market for Schedule I. There's not nearly as big a black market for Schedule IV meds, so, the "War On Drugs" hardly focuses on them, and hardly ever prosecutes for the extremely small amounts (of the 11%) they confiscate at the the USBCP. Rather, they send out LL's, while fraudulent LL's are now commonplace.

So, while my previous statement my be incorrect, do we think the DEA's policies have been effective courses of action? I think not. Given the ineffectiveness of the laws, should they remain the same, become more strict, or be changed to permit a patient to import the meds they need at a lower cost?

Regardless, if anyone receives a "love letter" from customs, best advice is to simply ignore it. Unless one is importing high quantities of narcotics for resale (not for personal use), odds are quite good that there's nothing to worry about. In no way would I advise breaking the law. The basic idea of this thread is to advise people what do to if they receive an LL. Just ignore it.

It is important that everyone considering ordering abroad reads those warning examples and takes them seriously.

It is also a good idea to read the following thread that discusses the legal aspects: http://www.drugbuyers.com/freeboard/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/111294/#Post111294

yeah, I have no doubt that if you recieve a LL, with your correct legal info, you are in a database...no doubt...and I see it plausible that it could show up on a Background check for employment...but I do agree with most that, if it is a small amount, that "they" are not going to come "after" me...and I spoke with a lawyer friend and he told me, even if there are records of you buying "illegal" prescription drugs, as long as none are in your custody, it would be a very hard case...again, my worry is just being denied a job, or hassled at the airport... thanks....

I would think it could NOT show up on a background check or criminal check, I think this is why.

Criminal checks, background checks and state license checks are all based upon factual information, ie, you get pulled over and get a "ticket" then it will show up on your drivers license record. It doesn't show up if you are pulled over BUT don't get a ticket.

The LL is like getting pulled over but NOT getting a ticket. You didn't receive the "illegal drug" so you have not been proven guilty.

Hope that makes sense, I've had many LL's thru out the years and have never been too concerned.

I think whomever the entity is that issues the LL'a keeps a database of addresses and names and pulls packages based upon cross reference checks. I've pretty much given up on ordering international, it's a pain.

I also get background checks all the time so I'm positive it hasn't affected my background checks.


C

We've had at least one person on here who had received several LLs get a job working for the federal government. The GAO said that they don't keep track and it really looks like they don't.

Anyone who has received an LL can tell you that it's no big deal. Just because something is illegal doesn't mean that you will "most likely" spend decades in prison because you did it. Just because they technically can make a federal case over a few dozen codeine doesn't mean that they ever have or will.

Paranoia will cause stress and possibly physical ailments, however.

I totally agree with your last sentence HeatherX. The IRS could probably prosecute 80% of us for some form of tax evasion but they won't. A)Don't have the resources B) Not cost effective. C)Courts would be backed up so far that they couldn't prosecute REAL crimes.

Some people may be willing to take the risk, but it is not fair to make readers believe there is no risk.

The letters are personal warnings... and as any personal warning coming from the USA Governament it should not be ignored or taken lightly...

LL Records? Of course there are records... the letters are just standard letters and the clerk fills the name, address, and drugs seized... it has a reference number... it is stored for future retrieval if needed...

Furthermore... your order can fool customs but you may be caught holding an envelope containing controlled substances, maybe the envelope tears apart by accident at your local post office or you are just plain unlucky...

You will have a hard time trying to explain a envelope full of Xanax, Codeine, or Valium - inside a ziplog bag, or taped to a carboard - coming form a foreign country...


If you are in UK or USA or anywhere else... it will not be too easy for you to explain or get away with it...

Seizure letters are pretty much one of the best things that can happen to you if things go wrong... and please do not buy into the "it will be easy to just say you did not order or that you used a fake name"... if things go wrong it will not work any better than saying you did not know you were speeding...

Imagine what can happen... and then decide if it is worth your while... do not pay attention to the people that say there are no risks. There are risks... are you willing to take them?

My primary question is, why would some of us receive fraudulent LL's? Not to mention, why would someone send out fraudulent LL's to us?

I've received two LL's in my life and both were inaccurate (i.e., meds not ordered, no outstanding orders, etc.), so I assume they were not the real thing. Had either of them been for meds that were pending arrival, I would probably think differently and take the notices a bit more seriously.

For me, that's the main puzzler.

Fraudulent seizure notices are usually sent by the IOP. They want to rip you off.

Why you would get these notices without ordering meds is beyond me, but I've heard of it before.

Finally, some confirmation of what I'd been thinking. Snail mail phishing.

Thanks for your reply. This is why I asked the question...while it may be "old hat" to some, I just had never seen those 2 questions answered...'And that is exactly why these boards are worthwhile!
Regards.