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#84223 - 03/04/04 08:50 PM Is it legal?
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Is it legal?

The question is to generic to answer

FDA - Buying Medicines and Medical Products Online

DEA Notices: Dispensing and Purchasing Controlled Substances over the Internet

FDA Personal Importation Policy

FDA Coverage of personal importations

Guidance for the coverage of personal-use quantities of FDA-regulated imported products in baggage and mail and to gain the greatest degree of public protection with allocated resources.

Is It Illegal to Obtain Controlled Substances From the Internet?



Is is legal to buy prescription drugs online?

YES



Is it legal to buy prescription drugs without a prescription?

NO



Is it legal to buy prescription drugs without a prescription from foreign pharmacies?

NO



Can I get in trouble for using foreign pharmacies?

Too generic to answer



Is it legal in the U.S. to order anabolic steroids from foreign pharmacies that say it is legal?

NO



I am in USA. Can I get in trouble for ordering anabolic steroids from foreign pharmacies?

YES. You can get into a lot of trouble. A lot of people are getting into trouble.



I am in USA. Is it legal to buy non controlled prescription drugs from foreign pharmacies?

Click here for more information about this



I am in USA. Is it legal to buy controlled prescription drugs from foreign pharmacies?

Click here form more inforamtion about the this







In the real world most pharmacies are very reliable, properly licensed, and well regulated. Choosing a pharmacy is a matter of convenience, price, and service, and there is no need to worry about it being legal or not.



In the virtual world of the internet it is very hard to tell what is real and what is not.

The regulations are the same for online pharmacies as for walk-in pharmacies but enforcing the regulations for online pharmacies operating in many countries is not easy.



In the U.S. online pharmacies are well regulated, very reliable, and legal.



Foreign pharmacies are another story and we will talk a bit more about foreign pharmacies in this page.



DrugBuyers.Com can not check, and does not check the legal status of sites but will not list sites that are clearly breaking the law. We are not an enforcement, or a regulatory agency, and do not have the resources, or authoritity, to check for licenses and permits. Even the governamental agencies with huge budgets have trouble to determine what is what.





Some things are clear:

1. Prescription drugs require a prescription

2. Buying prescription drugs without a prescription is against the law



What is not very clear is that there are two types of prescription drugs

A. Controlled prescription drugs like hydrocodone, and codeine

B. Non controlled prescription drugs like Viagra, and Prozac



Both require prescriptions but buying controlled prescription drugs without a prescription is a serious crime in any country.



In most countries selling non controlled prescription drugs without a prescription is tolerated if the quantities are small. What is accepted, or sold, in Mexico or Thailand may not be accepted, or legal, in Canada or Germany.





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#84224 - 07/17/06 10:33 AM Re: Is it legal?
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I just found an old article FROM 2003 at the AARP site that asks and rsponds this question

IS IT LEGAL?
http://www.aarp.org/bulletin/yourhealth/a2003-06-25-moreamericans.html


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IS IT LEGAL?
A 1987 law, written before Internet pharmacies existed, makes it illegal to import prescription drugs, whether made in America or not.

In practice, the FDA and U.S. Customs have long turned a blind eye to people returning from abroad with up to a 90-day supply for their own use. And although in recent years both agencies have occasionally intercepted mail-order shipments from Canada, they have never prosecuted an American consumer. They simply haven't the manpower, they say, to enforce the law in a traffic that generates millions of packages a year.

But last month the FDA began taking a tougher line. It warned that health plans and other groups that "aid and abet" the importation of medications from Canada could be found "criminally liable." Although the FDA says it reserves the right to go after individuals, it also says that "our highest enforcement priority would not be actions against consumers."

Some insurers—including Humana Inc., United HealthCare Insurance Co., Anthem and Premera Blue Cross—have for years reimbursed for drugs purchased abroad for the convenience of travelers. (United HealthCare has contracts with AARP to provide health-related insurance products and services to members.)

Wyckoff of the MSF says the FDA's implied threat to close down groups like his "doesn't change anything legally. This is a gray area of law we're trying to get clarified."

Seeking to change the situation, Congress passed a law in 2000 that allowed American-made medications to be reimported from abroad. It was not implemented—because, then-President Clinton explained, the final wording was "so full of loopholes" it could guarantee neither patient safety nor lowered prices.

Another bill passed the Senate last year but died in the House. This year, Senate Democrats have included reimportation in their bill to add drug coverage to Medicare.

Taking a different tack, Rep. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., is directly opposing the Glaxo ban. He has sponsored a bill that would make it illegal for any drugmaker to prevent Americans buying drugs from Canada.

"I'm outraged," he says, "that a huge company like Glaxo, which had profits last year of almost $10 billion and pays its CEO over $20 million a year, is trying to make it impossible for Americans to get affordable medicines from Canada."

While the law stays unchanged, and safety concerns remain, AARP says it does not encourage people to buy drugs from Canada. "However," says AARP Executive Director Bill Novelli, "it is a national embarrassment when Americans must [go to other countries] in search of medications they need at prices they can afford."

Meanwhile, many consumers pay little attention to the legalities of importing drugs. Asked whether she'd still do it even if the trade was declared flatly illegal, Sandra Barron says emphatically: "Yep, yep, yep."






The article also mentions:

Quote:

An estimated 1 million Americans use this cross-border pipeline—which many regard as a lifeline—to buy medicines at substantially lower prices than they can at home. The trickle has become a torrent, and the number of customers increases every day.

That volume of traffic has intensified debate on the legal and safety issues of buying prescription drugs by mail from Canada.




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#84225 - 07/23/06 07:23 AM Re: Is it legal?
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Since I am in trouble with the law I can tell you first hand that this is right on. First of all it is illegal to buy a drug over the Internet without a prescription and second of all it is illegal to buy a controlled substance of any kind internationally,over the Internet, whether or not you have a prescription. It also depends upon your State laws, such as Kentuky, has more strict laws than the Federal laws. And it is illegal to carry someone else's prescription or take any prescription out of it's original container, even though, drugstores sell those weekly items, it is illegal to use them, at least in GA. I didn't know all of this before my arrest, so just be careful and use U.S. pharmacies to get that much needed prescription.


Edited by sasi (07/23/06 07:26 AM)

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#84226 - 07/27/06 06:02 PM Re: Is it legal?
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My mother who requires daily diabetic,high blood pressure meds everyday has been getting her meds in Canada without any problems. But today, she received a LL from the gov in CA. She has legitimate prescriptions for all her medications, so how is it our gov can confiscate her prescriptive drugs?

I am so pissed!!! she is 73 yrs old and needs her meds to stay alive and can't afford to purchase them here even with her insurance. Our gov is f*%ked to do this to old people. I'm contacting ACLU to see if there is a current suit going against this practice.

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#537788 - 08/06/07 04:25 PM Re: Is it legal? [Re: sasi]
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 Originally Posted By: sasi
Since I am in trouble with the law I can tell you first hand that this is right on. First of all it is illegal to buy a drug over the Internet without a prescription and second of all it is illegal to buy a controlled substance of any kind internationally,over the Internet, whether or not you have a prescription. It also depends upon your State laws, such as Kentuky, has more strict laws than the Federal laws. And it is illegal to carry someone else's prescription or take any prescription out of it's original container, even though, drugstores sell those weekly items, it is illegal to use them, at least in GA. I didn't know all of this before my arrest, so just be careful and use U.S. pharmacies to get that much needed prescription.


As a new memember, that makes me wonder what is the purpose of this then?

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#550398 - 08/27/07 02:00 PM Re: Is it legal? [Re: Cyberella07]
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I'm also wondering the point......

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#550422 - 08/27/07 02:14 PM Re: Is it legal? [Re: blackhawk]
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New to this whole game as well, I have been asking this (and these) question(s) for months. My pet peeve has been the hush-hush secrecy amongst ourselves of which pharmacy or ROP serves whom and when; not letting the DEA "know" which ROP's are operating (thus "making the DEA's job easier"). etc., etc., etc.,

All I can conclude is:

1. You go outside the normal, conventional delivery system for medications, you take your own risks, whether financial, legal, or otherwise. By this I mean: go see a doctor, face to face, writes script, go to corner pharmacy...

2. Let's face it: the internet is a slippery place at best. Fraud and illegal activities flourish in abundance there, we all know it. Once again, you take your chances.

3. Lastly, and this might be our saving grace: The Man (LE/DEA) are not as interested in the consumers of OCS's, rather the providers if they are operating outside the law. When all of these OCS go down, or pharmacies go down, the authorities could easily pluck each and every one of us if they had grounds to do so, because they have our information. At least that is my hope....
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#550752 - 08/27/07 10:39 PM Re: Is it legal? [Re: toolboy]
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Again the more I read the more confused I get, some say it is some say it isn't. What are we suppose to do. The 73 year old that didn't get her meds that really makes me angry. Our senior citizens should be able to get meds free if they cannot afford them. Thats just crazy
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#551973 - 08/29/07 09:30 AM Re: Is it legal? [Re: higby]
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I saw a message about the DEA being on this site but I'm not sure why that would be a problem if it's all legal. Anyway, isn't there a national pharmacy database to track what everyone gets or is it just each state has their own?
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#551974 - 08/29/07 09:30 AM Re: Is it legal? [Re: Lola66]
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I would think they would be trying to track it somehow.
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#561801 - 09/13/07 01:28 PM Re: Is it legal? [Re: Administrator]
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I received this email today and I wanted some feedback because it is making me a bit nervous about things. Any info would help, thanks

Please be advised that the government intercepted communications between this e-mail address and an e-mail address located at 1700 Tech Centre Parkway, Arlington, Texas. The Tech Centre location housed pharmacies that filled drug orders for dozens of Internet Facilitation Centers (IFC), sometimes referred to Internet pharmacies or online drug stores. The Tech Centre location also housed an IFC known as NationsDrugSupply.com.
Between April 22, 2005, and July 27, 2005, and pursuant to court orders, the government intercepted Internet communications to and from the Tech Centre location. The evidence gathered was and is being used in numerous prosecutions, to include United States v. Saran, et al, 3:05-CR-240-P. http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/txn/PressRel05/saran_etal_indict_PR_FINAL.pdf.
Title 21 United States Code Section 841 makes it a federal crime to distribute or possess with the intent to distribute controlled substances outside the scope of professional practice and not for a legitimate medical purpose. Most state laws classify the possession or use of a controlled substance without a valid prescription (that is, without a valid doctor-patient relationship) as a felony offense. Please consult with your own attorney regarding the criminal laws in your state.
If you have any comments, concerns, or questions about this notice; or would like to report any illegal controlled substance distribution, overdoses, harm, or injuries resulting from the illegal receipt of controlled substances, please call 1-877-RX-ABUSE or e-mail http://www.cyberxresponse@dea.gov

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#561810 - 09/13/07 01:42 PM Re: Is it legal? [Re: freddi]
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See the other thread titled "Email notice" - sounds like a few people received the same notice.

Possibly just a scare tactic.

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#886320 - 05/13/09 11:07 AM Re: Is it legal? [Re: Administrator]
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This is from Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_pharmacy

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International consumers
International consumers often purchase drugs online from online pharmacies in their own countries, or those located in other nations such as India, Pakistan and the Philippines. Some of these pharmacies require prescriptions, while others do not. Of those which do not require prescriptions, some do ask the customer to fill in a health questionnaire with their order. Drugs available online are often produced by well-known manufacturers such as Pfizer, Wyeth, Roche, and generic Indian drugmakers Cipla and Ranbaxy and Teva Pharmaceutical Industries of Israel. It is a fairly common practice for North American and European visitors to countries like Thailand, India and South Africa to purchase and bring home affordable medications for themselves, family members and/or friends.[citation needed] Savings can be significant, often exceeding 80 percent compared to the same medications available in their home countries.[citation needed]Travellers may avoid possible difficulties inherent to physically going through customs with their medication purchases by mailing the drugs to their home so they receive them upon their return.


U.S. consumers
To save money, millions of uninsured and underinsured U.S. consumers purchase drugs from online pharmacies in Canada, India, the UK and other countries and receive their purchases by mail. Especially for uninsured Americans taking prescription drugs for chronic health conditions, a major attraction of online pharmacies abroad is that nearly every country, except the U.S., controls its drug prices. Shoppers can easily obtain 50 to 80 percent or more savings at foreign pharmacies, in comparison to US prices.[3]

Very rarely are these orders investigated because U.S. authorities are much more worried about controlling illegal pharmacies in the U.S., not consumers themselves. In fact, the Washington Post reported that ".. millions of Americans have turned to Mexico and other countries in search of bargain drugs...U.S. Customs estimates 10 million U.S. citizens bring in medications at land borders each year. An additional 2 million packages of pharmaceuticals arrive annually by international mail from Thailand, India, South Africa and other points. Still more packages come from online pharmacies in Canada."[4]

Until about 2005, American consumers looking abroad most commonly turned to Canadian pharmacies for affordable medications.[citation needed] Today, many consumers head to online pharmacies in India, South Africa and other countries where drug prices are often lower than in Canada.

A report in the journal Clinical Therapeutics found that U.S. consumers face a risk of getting counterfeit drugs because of the rising Internet sales of drugs, projected to reach $75 billion by 2010.[5]


Overseas online pharmacies and U.S. law
Legality and risks of purchasing drugs online depend on the specific kind and amount of drug being purchased.

While rarely enforced, it is usually illegal to purchase controlled substances from an overseas pharmacy. Generally speaking, a person purchasing a controlled substance from such a pharmacy may be violating two federal laws which can carry stiff penalties. The act of importation of the drug from overseas violates 21 USC, Section 952 (up to 5 years in prison and $250,000 fine for importation of non-narcotic Schedule III, IV, or V drugs; possibly more for narcotics and Schedule I and II drugs). The act of simple possession of a controlled substance without a valid prescription violates 21 USC, Section 844 (up to 1 year in prison and $1,000 fine). Note that FDA does not recognize online prescriptions; in order for the prescription to be valid, there has to be a face-to-face relationship between the patient and the health care professional prescribing the drug. What exactly constitutes a "face-to-face" relationship is considered by many online pharmacies to be a subjective definition which would allow them to operate as an adjunct to the patient's own physician if the patient submits medical records documenting a condition for which the requested medication is deemed appropriate for treatment. Sections 956 and 1301 provide exemptions for travellers who bring small quantities of controlled substances in or out of the country in person, but these exemptions do not cover delivery via a mail carrier.
Importation of any prescription drug (not necessarily a controlled substance) violates 21 USC, Section 301(aa), unless the following conditions are met (as listed in Section 804):
1.The drug is imported from Canada, from a seller registered with the Secretary (i.e. with FDA);
2.The drug is imported from a licensed pharmacy for personal use by an individual, not for resale, in quantities that do not exceed a 90-day supply;
3.The drug is accompanied by a copy of a valid prescription;
4.The drug is a prescription drug approved by the Secretary;
5.The drug is in the form of a final finished dosage that was manufactured in an establishment registered under section 510; and
6.The drug is imported under such other conditions as the Secretary determines to be necessary to ensure public safety.
The law further specifies that enforcement should be focused on cases in which the importation by an individual poses a significant threat to public health, and discretion should be exercised to permit individuals to make such importations in circumstances in which the prescription drug or device imported does not appear to present an unreasonable risk to the individual.[6]
According to Department of Homeland Security Appropriations Act, Section 535, Customs and Border Patrol are not allowed to prevent people from importing FDA-approved prescription drugs. Although originally the law was worded to cover all prescription drugs, countries of origin, and methods of delivery, its final edition specifies that it only applies to importation from Canada, and to "...individuals transporting on their person a personal-use quantity of the prescription drug, not to exceed a 90-day supply". Controlled substances are also explicitly excluded. Therefore, it does not disallow Customs to screen and intercept drugs sent by mail.
It is also technically illegal to import "non-approved" drugs (21 USC sections 331(d) and 355(a)); however, FDA policies suggest that, under certain circumstances, the patients may be allowed to keep these drugs.[7]
Individual U.S. states may implement their own laws regulating importation, possession, and trafficking in prescription drugs and/or controlled substances.
For several years, the states of Nevada, Minnesota, Illinois and Wisconsin have run official state programs to help their residents order lower-cost drugs from abroad to save money.
Most online pharmacies worldwide will send consumers a free replacement order if their order is not received for any reason, including customs seizure (some do require the customer to submit a copy of the seizure letter they received from customs, in order to prevent fraudulent claims of non-receipt). Normally, consumers should wait about 30 days after placing their order before considering this option. When considering an order, a prospective customer should read the Rules regarding reships on the pharmacy's website.

Enforcement
Enforcement of the laws listed in the previous section can be difficult (and in some cases purposely lax), as evidenced by the many profitable online pharmacies worldwide. Among other reasons, strict drug law enforcement is politically unpopular because many customers of online pharmacies are seniors and the uninsured who cannot afford to buy their prescription drugs in the United States.

Any package containing prescription drugs may, in principle, be seized by customs. The package may be held and eventually returned to the sender if the addressee does not respond and provide proof that they are allowed to receive these drugs (e.g., a valid prescription). (Sample package detention notification letter) In practice, the number of packages containing prescription drugs sent to United States on a daily basis far exceeds Customs' capabilities to inspect them.[8] In the past, packages often passed through customs even if they were not sent from Canada or otherwise didn't meet the requirements of section 804 of 21 USC. Until recently, about 5 percent of prescription drug packages sent from Canada were being seized.[9]
At the present time, U.S. customs does not seize packages from Canada.[10]
DEA and FDA[11] generally do not target consumers unless drugs are imported in large quantities (suggesting intent to distribute) or represent a perceived danger to public health (opiates, amphetamines).[citation needed]
Rarely, drug importation laws are enforced on the local level. For example, in June 2005 in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, a number of customers of online pharmacies were arrested by local law enforcement officers and charged with possession of a controlled substance without prescription.[12]
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#890118 - 05/28/09 12:50 AM Re: Is it legal? [Re: Administrator]
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So after reading about the legalities I guess I'm out of luck trying to buy Norco. I have a condition that is very painful and a Dr. that does not understand this is just depressing I thought I would find something here.

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#892053 - 06/03/09 07:28 AM Re: Is it legal? [Re: Keana527]
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Keana, have you looked into products containing codeine? It is available from different pharmacies and it does help ease pain. Take a look at ChemistDirect.com, Fremontpharmacy.com or some of the other Australian pharmacies. The two I listed have physical locations and I've never had any trouble ordering from either one.

Don't give up so easy! Read the forums, there is a lot of info there that may help you.

Best of luck to you.

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#892613 - 06/04/09 03:40 PM Re: Is it legal? [Re: freddi]
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ll letters..even thru the internet is freagin rediculous already..

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#894649 - 06/09/09 11:01 PM Re: Is it legal? [Re: LedHead]
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Keana, what state do you live in? I don't know how to send messages from one member or another....or how having "friends" works in this forum, but I might have some ideas.

I found this forum from the "health" section in another forum. Once that happened, I learned some things, and solved ALL of my issues. I got hit by a drunk driver who was going 70 mph, never hit her brakes, and I was stopped at a traffic light when she rear ended us. Getting through it, but without this forum, some nice helpful folks, and some really good info, I am able to function, sleep, not shake, etc. My injuries were post concussion syndrome, lower back surgery, elbow surgery from neck issues, and a bunch of others. Tremors, pain, and anxiety being the three worst problems.

This is a great forum, and I'm confident that you'll find answers and solutions here.............

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#897595 - 06/17/09 08:23 PM Re: Is it legal? [Re: dennishopson]
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The RHA is discussed at: http://www.drugbuyers.com/freeboard/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Main/49257/Number/877578#Post877578

The RHA is about controlled substances. In principle the RHA makes it illegal to order any controlled substance, from anywhere, without a valid prescription and without seeing a doctor face to face. Phone consultations, and online consultations are not OK. A F2F is required... you have to see the doctor in-person...

You have to read: http://www.drugbuyers.com/freeboard/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Main/49257/Number/877578#Post877578
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