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#93123 - 08/13/06 08:12 AM
Re: Why is it so hard to get some prescription drugs?
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Journeyman
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Why is it so hard to get some prescription drugs in the needed quantities?
The main reason is that prescription drugs are being abused and diverted for recreational use. Law enforcement and regulators have a very good and valid reason for trying to control prescription drugs but their efforts are hurting patients and doctors.
The following articles will give you a good idea as to why it is so hard for legitimate patient to get the medication they need
The Village Voice Article: The DEA's War on Pain Doctors
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0345/owen.php
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The DEA's War on Pain Doctors
by Frank Owen
November 5 - 11, 2003
wenty-four years after Darlene broke her back in a swimming pool accident, crippling pain still Rules every aspect of her life, from getting up in the morning (which she describes as akin to "climbing the highest mountain") to falling into a fitful sleep at night. After years of botched surgery that left her in even more agony, she knows there is no real cure for what ails her, but thanks to synthetic opioids (which include such regulated substances as Vicodin, Dilaudid, and the devil drug of the moment, OxyContin), she says that she can now lead a halfway normal life. Just folding sheets or washing dishes or sitting at the computer are daily miracles for Darlene, who claims she would otherwise be bedridden and suicidal without the chemical crutches that high doses of these powerful opium-like painkillers provide.
But in some ways worse than the pain, says Darlene (who doesn't want her last name revealed), are the shame and fear that come with it. Shame when she goes to have her special triplicate prescription—required for all scheduled drugs—filled at the drugstore and the pharmacist looks at her as if she were some addict abusing the drug to get high. Fear that her medications will soon be taken away by the drug Enforcement Administration's ongoing crackdown on pain doctors. "You worry every day that the medicine won't be available for much longer, or your doctor won't be there tomorrow because he's been arrested by the DEA," she claims. All the bad publicity in the press about the abuse of OxyContin by celebrities such as Rush Limbaugh and Courtney Love doesn't help matters. But, says Darlene, the media scare stories shouldn't blind people to the fact that these drugs—when taken under medical supervision—have made life livable for hundreds of thousands of chronic pain patients, herself included.
Some in the medical community call it "a war on pain doctors," others "a government jihad" or "state-sponsored terrorism." However you describe the current campaign, which according to pain-patient advocates began under Janet Reno, but which they say has increased in intensity under John Ashcroft, the DEA's hardball tactics—storming clinics in SWAT-style gear, ransacking offices, and hauling off doctors in handcuffs—have scared physicians nationwide to the extent that legitimate pain sufferers now find it increasingly difficult to get the medicine they need. Doctors' offices today display signs that say "Don't ask for OxyContin" or "No OxyContin prescribed here." And medical schools advise students not to choose pain management as a career because the field is too fraught with potential legal dangers.
"The war on drugs has turned into a war on doctors and pain patients," says Dr. Ronald Myers, president of the American Pain Institute and a Baptist minister who operates a string of clinics for poor people in the Mississippi Delta. "Such is the climate of fear across the medical community that for every doctor who has his license yanked by the DEA, there are a hundred doctors scared to prescribe proper pain medication for fear of going to prison. The DEA is creating a situation where legitimate pain patients now have to go to the streets to get their medication. It's a health care catastrophe in the making." (Myers theorizes that Rush Limbaugh is probably "a neglected pain patient" and another victim of the crackdown: "Why else would someone with all his money have to go to the street to get enough medication, other than if he couldn't find a doctor to give him an adequate supply?")
Advocates for pain doctors and their patients have had enough. Limbaugh's recent admission that he's addicted to OxyContin and other painkillers has brought the issue of pain management and the law to the fore in the media. But the September arrest of northern Virginia's Dr. William Hurwitz—a respected if controversial pioneer in high-dosage pain treatment—galvanized opposition among physicians and patients to the DEA's harsh approach. Hurwitz, a leading specialist in his field, was arrested on federal drug-trafficking charges, accused of prescribing excessive quantities of OxyContin to addicts who he knew were selling the drugs on the street. The 49-count indictment alleges that his prescribing practices led to the death of three patients and bodily harm to two others. Federal prosecutors have depicted Hurwitz, a contentious figure who has had his license suspended three times by medical boards, as no better than "a street-corner crack dealer . . . who dispensed misery and death." After initially being threatened with the death penalty, Hurwitz now faces life in prison.
But others defend the doctor. "Dr. Hurwitz saved my husband's life," says Siobhan Reynolds, founder of the Pain Relief Network, a New York City-based grassroots organization defending pain doctors and their patients. For over a decade, Reynolds's husband has suffered terrible head pain caused by a connective-tissue disorder. "Other doctors treated my husband like a leper. If it weren't for Dr. Hurwitz, he would have killed himself. Dr. Hurwitz is responsible for every day that my son has a father."
After the arrest, the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons condemned the prosecution at a news conference held at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C., saying that doctors who treat pain patients are heroes, not felons. A major protest on the National Mall is being organized by the National Pain Patients Coalition for next April to bring attention to what some experts regard as the No. 1 health issue in America: the under-treatment of chronic pain. And a push is on in various states to get politicians to pass bills guaranteeing patients' right to opioids to alleviate their suffering, if a doctor deems it necessary.
Many doctors used to think that extreme pain was something that their patients just had to live with. The pain-management movement that has sprung up over the past few years takes a radically different tack, believing that long-term chronic pain can be managed with large amounts of synthetic opium, a treatment that remains controversial both within and outside the medical community. The extremely high doses often prescribed—sometimes dozens of pills a day—can seem dangerous and excessive to both laymen and other physicians. A number of doctors insist that these drugs are so powerful that no one should be prescribed them except end-stage cancer patients. But pain-management advocates argue that despite the scare stories, drugs such as OxyContin are actually safer than the alternatives and are much more effective.
The DEA denies there's been an increase in investigations and prosecutions of physicians and refutes the notion that it's engaged in a crackdown on pain doctors in general. The agency insists that it's after only rogue practitioners who overprescribe the medicines and who know—or should know—that their patients are selling the drugs on the black market. So far this year, says the DEA, the agency has launched 557 investigations, pursued actions against 441 doctors, and arrested 34, a small fraction of the nearly 1 million physicians licensed to dispense controlled drugs. "DEA statistics," the agency proclaimed on October 30, "show that the vast majority of practitioners registered with the DEA comply with the requirements of the Controlled Substances Act and prescribe controlled substances in a responsible manner." The agency added, "Doctors operating within the bounds of accepted medical practice have nothing to fear from the DEA."
But some doctors believe that the DEA, having conspicuously failed to stem the tide of illegal drug use in this country, is coming after physicians to ratchet up the agency's prosecution count. (This year alone, two federal reviews lambasted the DEA for its poor performance in fighting illegal drug use, one report giving the agency a zero on a scale of one to 100.)
"They're unable to take down the real drug lords, so they're coming after doctors using the same tactics," one pain physician tells the Voice. For an agency keen to justify its massive budget, doctors provide an easy target. Consider some other recent cases:
In Roanoke, Virginia, pain specialist Dr. Cecil Knox and two of his associates were accused of operating what federal prosecutors call "a pill mill." Prosecutors alleged that Knox overprescribed OxyContin and methadone to increase the profits of his financially struggling operation and that this contributed to the deaths of eight patients. Armed agents in flak jackets raided Knox's office. "They all came in with guns drawn," a clinic employee who was present during the raid reported to the Pain Relief Network. "I thought I was going to die. My husband was helping out that day, and a DEA agent came in and pointed a gun at his head and said, 'Get off the phone now.' " (As this story went to press, news came that the feds failed to win a single conviction in the case; the jury cleared Knox of 30 of the 69 charges, deadlocking on the remaining counts.) In another case of DEA strong-arm tactics, more than 20 agents burst into a Dallas pain clinic in June. The agents kicked down doors, ransacked the office of Dr. Daniel Maynard, and handcuffed patients, including an elderly woman with a stroller and an oxygen tank.
In South Carolina, physician Deborah Bordeaux was convicted earlier this year under a federal drug-kingpin statute and is currently awaiting sentencing. She faces up to 100 years in prison as a major drug dealer for dispensing opiates to patients suffering from chronic pain at a Myrtle Beach clinic, where she had worked for only two months. Dr. Benjamin Moore, who worked at the same clinic, committed suicide in July 2002 rather than testify against his co-workers.
In Arkansas, Dr. Randeep Mann claims that a patient approached him in 2002 and told him that a federal agent had offered her $250 to say that Mann had prescribed her painkillers in exchange for sex. Mann also charges that another female patient told him that local authorities had offered to forgive her cocaine arrest if she told the same lie in court. "They destroyed my practice and they've managed to run away a lot of my patients, and I can no longer prescribe opioids, but I still have my license," Mann tells the Voice.
In New Orleans, Dr. David Jarrott, who specializes in pain management, claims that an undercover DEA agent posing as a truck driver tried to entrap him by giving him fake X-rays to secure a supply of Vicodin for a supposed bad back. Jarrott also says the same agent tried to bribe him for amphetamine-based diet pills claiming he needed to stay awake while driving his truck. In early October, the doctor had his license suspended for three years after two of his patients died, one of whom, unbeknownst to Jarrott, was mixing street drugs with his legitimate medication.
In Arizona, Dr. Jeri Hassman, who runs Tucson's biggest pain practice, was indicted in March after a sting involving two undercover agents and a three-time-convicted felon. She is being threatened with a 28-year prison term because some of her patients abused prescriptions she wrote.
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It's not just on the federal level that harsh punishment is being meted out. Dr. Robert Weitzel from Utah was convicted of negligent homicide and sentenced to 15 years in prison. He gave morphine to a 91-year-old patient, who soon after died of heart disease. Weitzel won a retrial (and acquittal) in November 2002 after it was learned that a local prosecutor had concealed exculpatory evidence. In Florida in the same year, Dr. James Graves was not so lucky, becoming the first U.S. physician to be convicted of manslaughter related to an OxyContin prescription, after local authorities charged that four of his patients fatally overdosed on OxyContin, some of them after combining it with illegal street drugs. Graves contended that his patients would not have died if they had taken the drugs as directed. He is currently serving 63 years.
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Federal officials claim that nearly 500 people died from overdosing on OxyContin in 2002, but a recent article in The Journal of Analytical Toxicology could find only 12 cases in which OxyContin was the sole cause of death; all the others fell victim to poly-drug abuse—mixing OxyContin with cocaine, alcohol, Valium, or various other substances.
"Opioids when taken under clinical supervision are not that dangerous," says the American Pain Institute's Myers. "The data tells us that only 3 percent of people who take opioids become addicts. The latest research conclusively shows that the best medicines for the treatment of chronic pain are narcotics. They have less side effects and more benefits than any other type of drug."
More dangerous, contends Myers, are the everyday drugs that pain sufferers turn to when they can't get narcotics. He talks about something called "suicide by Tylenol": "When chronic pain patients can't get opioids, they go out and use tremendous amounts of drugs like Tylenol and Motrin, which can cause serious liver and kidney damage. Pain patients are dying from kidney and liver disease because of this."
Many pain patients are also dying by their own hand, according to the Pain Relief Network's Reynolds. "All over America, pain patients are committing suicide because of the DEA's campaign," she claims. "I know of at least 17 recent cases in Arkansas alone. It's really astonishing the amount of human carnage that this campaign has already caused."
Fumes Myers: "What's going on here is morally reprehensible and medically incomprehensible and it has to stop. Doctors who treat pain patients are not criminals."
A not so satirical piece of advice to doctors by the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, Inc
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Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, Inc
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ADVICE TO DOCTORS RE: PAIN MANAGEMENT
(or "What the government has taught doctors.")
Until wrongs are righted and procedural changes are made, physicians have little choice other than to be unusually suspicious of new patients, to require unnecessary and expensive tests, to waste time on excessive documentation, or to turn away suffering patients, even if they think the patients may not find anyone else to treat them.
If you're thinking about getting into pain management using opioids as appropriate:
DON'T. Forget what you learned in medical school -- drug agents now set medical standards.
If you do, first discuss the risks with your family.
They could lose a mother or father or breadwinner, their home, their car, their college fund;
There could be years of harassment and legal fees;
Your colleagues will probably ostracize you and family members at the first sign of trouble.
If you are already prescribing opioids:
Beware of new patients. If you accept a new patient, do background checks, demand old records before writing the first Rx, obtain urine screens and get them to sign opioid contracts. It is safer to turn them down, explain why, and give them an action item (call their congressman, for example).
Do thorough physicals, even if unnecessary and not helpful.
Make voluminous notes.
Exercise zero tolerance for patient slip-ups (such as losing a prescription).
Beware of any patients with a history of drug abuse. Even if now clean and in genuine pain, they might be induced by government zealots to testify against you to save themselves from imprisonment on drug charges.
Refer patients early and often to addictionologists, orthopedists, pain specialists, psychologists, regardless of expense or your opinion of helpfulness.
Keep a low profile and beware of saying anything that might offend an official of law enforcement, the licensure board, or the state medical society.
Never forget that you could be held to a standard of strict liability for any patient misbehavior or for any bad outcomes such as death, no matter the cause and without regard to the culpability of the patient or his associates. Remember, your medical decisions will be reviewed by drug agents who will decide if your actions were medically reasonable.
Consider phasing out this part of your practice, giving patients plenty of time to find another doctor.
You are most welcome to contribute to this topic / thread by posting below.
My Mother is going to a pain clinic about 30 miles away from her home, and I keep telling her that she needs to get away from that place because after all the time, money, effort to relive her chronic pain from two hip replacements, severe DDD, and other things, they only like to give her the nerve blocks and she is only allowed 2 (two) lortab in a 24 hour period. Does that sound like pain management?? Absoutley not! Ive done some research, and theyre are other pain management clinics in the area that she should try, as Ive told her this. She is afraid that nobody will help her anymore than she is already being helped. After reading and searching for something to help her, I see that the online pharmacys "ROP's" could help her alot more. She has all her records, test results, a stack about 2 inches thick. I dont post much but I read alot. Ive been trying to find her help, and now I think Ive found it. She can use one of the online doctors with Records and be much more comfortable in her extreme chronic pain. Im not a memeber, but would like to become one. What and how is that different,? Any pointers would help alot.
Thanks,
kendall
Edited by Kendall (08/13/06 08:24 AM)
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#93125 - 12/28/06 01:23 PM
Re: Why is it so hard to get some prescription drugs?
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Registered: 08/30/05
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In the UK, Dr's answer to the British Medical Association (BMA). There are also a specialised branch of police who's job is to simply check pharmicsts prescribing records every month, week and spot checks, and all they're really doing is checking his stocks against Rx's. It is the pharmacists job to inform on Dr's who appear to be over-prescribing, the BMA then look into the Dr's pratice and patient prescribing. If the Dr is treating addicts, has a high percentage of pain sufferer's, then he is simply left alone, or given help. If he has become an unwitting supplier of black market meds he is warned, given adequate time to put his house in order, or if he wishes he can have drug agency help him in his surgery. No one who has became an addict will be left out in the cold,they will get help. If a person recieving opiates dies, an autopsy and tribunal is carried out. If it appears the patient took his whole script in one go, or took other drugs, alcohol, benzo's unbeknown to the Dr, the dr is exonarated. The patient never followed the Dr's order's. If Dr constantly misreads patients mental state ie;suicidal depression, he may lose his right to prescribe schII meds. If he is continually negligant, he lose's his right to pratice. Medicine and prescribing pratices are laid down by Doctors, pharmacists, ex-doctors. Doctors who do not follow the laid down pratices or are under suspicion are judged by their peers. Not the police. There have been cases of dr's who became heroin addicts, abused their position, forging scripts, only to be found out by the pharmacists. This becomes a police matter(forgery) and the dr banned for life from praticing and put in rehab. No armed police in surgies The BMA has always been a regulatory body existing to protect doctors and patient rights. Earlier in the twentieth centurary the American political system tried to impose its might upon the british pharmacopia with a world wide ban on Heroin. The BMA fought tooth and nail to stop this from happening in Britain, which they achieved. Their main reason, heroin is far more soluble as well as far stronger. Emaciated cancer patients couldnt tolerate high enough dose of morphine injections because of the excess in liquid. With Heroin(the strongest narcotic of the time), being far more soluble, a far higher and stronger dose could be dissolved in a minute amount of water, giving the victim relief. Thankfully there are far stronger analgesics now, as well as patches. Medicine is not the realm of police.
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#93131 - 04/05/07 05:41 AM
Re:Why is it so hard to get prescription drugs?
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Registered: 06/03/05
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Loc: No-Ship State
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Actually, you'd be surprised how many "kids" are sneaking prescription drugs from their parents' medicine cabinets. I live in a town with a population of about 40,000. A couple years ago, at age 30-something, I became addicted to hydrocodone, not for the pain-killing effect but for the side effect that is usually the "buzz" or "high" that people refer to...a cloud of ambivalence that fuzzes up your brain and relieves stress, making life in general easier to tolerate. (Also, hydrocodone is an excellent appetite suppressant, but I already weighed 130 pounds at the time, so that wasn't my desired effect from the drug.) Given the fact that I was an "addict" with no legitimate medical need and was not able to obtain hydrocodone by going to see a doctor, I paid street prices ($6.00 to $8.00 per pill for any of the "tens" - yellow, blue, green, pink, dark blue, generic white). Almost ALL the " drug dealers" were teenagers who obtained the medications by stealing from their parents. A couple sources were young adults who were receiving up to 15 prescriptions per month in various names and selling them to people like me. A typical phone call to any of the sources would generally consist of "Hey, have you seen Lori lately?" (Asking if the person has or knows where to get lortabs.) You would then find out which variety (color & hydro/APAP mix) and the per pill price when you were told what she was wearing..."Yeah, she's here, and she's got a pretty green dress on today. She only paid $7.00 for it." The next line in the script would be how many pills you wanted..."Well, tell her to stay there, I'll be right over, I owe her $21.00." (Meaning you wanted to purchase three pills at $7.00 each.) At any local high school here, you can mention "lori" and kids will start salivating. They not only know what you are talking about, they are users. A casual "back aching stretch" and sotto voce deliverance of a sentence, "Geez, I'd love a 'tab right about now," would let you know at your place of employment if anyone in earshot was a user or seller. FedEx has become the DEA's watchdog...turning in the names and addresses of people who are receiving packages that either contain pill bottles or are sent from known pharmacies. (This I know personally because the DEA knocked on my front door in a FedEx costume to deliver a 'script, and they brought along the county narcotics division to join the party.) It is hard to obtain some prescription medications because the existence of abuse is prevalent and rampant. It won't go away, so the noose gets tighter and tighter. People can be found anywhere (especially on internet message boards) swearing on a stack of Bibles that they have an honest-to-God legitimate medical NEED for something when all their "need" consists of is the same need a junkie has for a needle. A fix. A high. A buzz. You'll get the same song and dance you can find a million other places...high school football injury, tragic bicycle accident as a teen, motorcycle wreck, degenerative spinal problem, and so on...the list is endless, but in all likelihood, very few of these people ACTUALLY "need" what they are seeking. Yes, SOME are legit. But MOST are not. It really doesn't take much effort to weed out the users from the abusers. (I'm not attempting to hold a precarious perch atop a soapbox with this post...I still occasionally ferret out a "source" for a pill or two, but it's a far cry from the $1,500.00 a month habit I once had.)
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#93135 - 04/10/07 01:28 PM
Re:Why is it so hard to get prescription drugs?
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Registered: 11/05/06
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Couldn't resist throwing in my two cents. I was insulted FOR YOU, by that post, who does need these medications. I, too, am a recovering addict from painkillers and other things. And it does make it harder for legitimate people to get meds. Very hard. The majority of people I met in my lifetime who took meds for pain were actually in pain and not drugseeking a "buzz". And I used drugs for over 25 years. What a lot of addicts won't admit and aren't aware of is that you don't get that level of "euphoric buzz" when you are in legitimate pain. You get relief, somewhat, and maybe a little drowsy. That's it. I know because of all the surgeries I've had, some to get pills and some for legitimate medical reasons. Like the thoracic sympathectomies, x3, I had many years ago. Dilaudid was prescribed after the doctor nicked an artery on the second surgery and I was bleeding internally and needed a third operation to save my life. Also had to take Demerol and Vistaril mixed just to roll over in the morning because I would stiffen up during the night, if I slept at all. Recovery took almost a year total. No buzz. I just was paralyzed for about two weeks in one arm and shoulder and then, it came back to life in a real painful way. Dilaudid barely helped, but no buzz. In fact, what was left over, I threw away.
I had wisdom teeth removed once and the dentist didn't give me the prescripton before I left the office for my pain meds to take home, so when I called the following morning, since they were closed when I reached home, he accused me of lying! At that time, I wasn't an addict. Just naive. And yes, there are plenty of bad apples that have ruined it for legitimate patients who need help to get through the day. My husband, a carpet installer, with three crushed discs, in addition, also fell from a 15 foot staircase, needed meds, and I saw very few doctors that were willing to not under-prescribe for this person who STILL went to work everyday to support us with these injuries, hauling carpet on his back! Only after they saw the MRI's, did they start to understand his pain and prescribe whatever he needed until we had insurance to get an operation. And he will always need some type of pain medication just to survive, because HE STILL HAD TO GO TO WORK. He was given oxycontin, which of course I stole at that time. I'm no longer using pain meds, I do take a valium or xanax from time to time, from my Doctor, because I'm bipolar (isn't everyone! LOL), but I regret making life harder for chronically ill people.
I work in a company where heavy lifting and moving is normal and many, many of my coworkers have back injuries, and I gotta say, I thank God I never injured my back. They are miserable almost every time they have to lift freight or move heavy items, or just out of the blue one day when it flares up. And they will never be without some pain. It's awful. Just because that person was a drugseeker, he can't fathom that everyone isn't using them for thrills. And most people are not. I know this and so does he. Don't you give up looking for a understanding doc. I found that my husband was best treated by female doc's. They just seem to understand better. May God bless you and good luck to you. Take care of yourself. ragamuffin.
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#93136 - 04/10/07 01:52 PM
Re:Why is it so hard to get prescription drugs?
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Again, just have to stick my nose in the subject, because I'm a recovering addict-painkillers mostly. It isn't the patients abusing the meds, it's the doc's underprescribing because they sometimes have no choice, that force patients to seek drugs elsewhere, or even smoke and drink to excess just to survive. I know this for fact. My husband was seriously injured and soon became an alcoholic. I had legit medical reasons sometimes and some, I didn't. Very few doc's would even take the time to order tests to see if I was telling the truth. I also injured my wrist once, and for over a year it was unbearably painful. I listened to soooo many docs tell me I didn't need Vicodin because only "cancer" patients needed that. WEll I finally found an orthopaedic surgeon, who happened to be the doc/surgeon for some NFL, MLB, and NHA teams, won't say which, who believed me, and finally opened me up for surgery and couldn't believe how bad it really was. The bones had no cartilidge left surrounding them and were turning to "mush" to quote him, from rubbing together so long. He said it's no wonder you've been in so much pain for so long. He's the best doc I ever had. Fixed me up, took out some bones in my wrist, with a hammer and a chisel, good as new. And he never underprescribed for me. When it was time to cut me off, he tapered me off them slowly. I regret the years I spent using, and making it harder for patients who needed meds, even affected my own treatments. That's my fault. Not good docs. And the DEA too. They all want to be heroes. Let's start with shutting down the methadone clinics I went to for a high for so long. They are legalized drug abuse, often funded by the government!!!! And I never once used Heroin. Just pain meds and cocaine. How's that for our system. How about tougher drug laws for street drugs, dealers, and people like me who forged prescriptons, altered them, or stole them. HMMMMM.. ragamuffin
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#93137 - 04/11/07 07:16 AM
Re:Why is it so hard to get prescription drugs?
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I think it's great you were honest. I personally don't think you should feel bad, you were honest in saying you liked to take them, which, yes it does make it harder to get for people who need them but at the same time, honesty I find is very important. I personally would be lying if I said there have been a few times where I didn't enjoy it. I mean when you've been hurting and sore all day some guys come home, and have beer. No problem with that but I don't drink much when at all, and when I was working alone in a cell phone shop all day, my back and legs would be killing me when I got home, I didn't want Beer, I'd graba Vicodin ES or 3 and try to relax because the throbbing would finally stop. Some days 2 was good enough so I could get up to actually have dinner, but there were a few days where I would come home like OK this hurts bad, and I'd grab 3 tablets befor eI could get back out of my chair. I'm not a druggie who's all about being stoned, I'm a computer geek with decent talent and skill who has back problems, shoulder problems, and a very bad knee and ankle that flair up when they decide it's time too. Anyway jhust wanted to chime in and say that my post wasn't directed at you, as you seem to have already seen what these laws and under perscribing can do. I know it might be hard for some people who don't take pain pills to understand that 3 Vicodin ES didn't even make me stoned in the slightest but they don't. I've driven on OxyContin, Demerol, Dilauded, and Vicodin ES without a problem, they just don't give me a huge stoned feeling. Thanks for being Honest and Thanks for the Blessings 
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#93140 - 06/03/07 06:45 PM
Re:Why is it so hard to get prescription drugs?
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Registered: 08/27/03
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That may be partially true, but there is a lot of interests involved behind prescription drugs. I seriously doubt the DEA keeps a file on every Tom, Dick and Harry that orders a script online -- it isn't worth their time. If someone is double and triple dipping, it will probably raise some red flags for the intent to distribute, though.
Pharmaceutical companies put A LOT of money behind their products. Patents only last so long, so they have to reinvent a new pain pill or benzo every now and then to milk the system. They have lobbyists in congress making sure that their products get prescribed, along with giving kickbacks to doctors for prescribing whatever their pill of the month may be.
As far as the whole "buzz" factor, who really cares? There are a lot of people who self-medicate due to the convoluted U.S. health system. The price of insurance is skyrocketing, doctors are getting forced out of business due to overwhelming personal liability premiums and meanwhile there are people with legitimate needs that simply can't afford the outrageous cost of health care.
The old adage is to follow the money trail but that is extremely difficult since, when it comes to prescription drugs, there are so many money trails.
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#93141 - 06/03/07 08:43 PM
Re:Why is it so hard to get prescription drugs?
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From the original article by admin - (I don't know how to quote yet!!)
"In another case of DEA strong-arm tactics, more than 20 agents burst into a Dallas pain clinic in June. The agents kicked down doors, ransacked the office of Dr. Daniel Maynard, and handcuffed patients, including an elderly woman with a stroller and an oxygen tank."
I grew up knowing Dr. Maynard as friend, not doctor. My mom and dad own a Home Health Equipment Company and Maynard owned the building in Dallas they rented, and sent them many referrals, so I bet that walker and oxygen tank came from my mom's office!!!!
The whole story shocked us as a family, because if you knew Maynard, you would know that he was not in any way out for a quick buck, but had a THRIVING practice, trouble was the part of town it was in....There were crack dealers on every corner and many of their elderly family members had scripts from Maynard that were stolen from grandma to turn a buck on the street. What a shame. He was there in a neighborhood no other doctor would dare set up shop in (same reason my mom and dad went there - for legitimate need and they only dealt hospital beds and wheelchairs, etc...no drugs or needles!), because he cared and knew these people needed QUALITY care. ABSOLUTELY SICKENING!!!!!!!!!!
No wonder nobody wants to help the poorer communities of our nation. They get bit in the a$$ for it.

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#93142 - 06/05/07 09:15 AM
Re:Why is it so hard to get prescription drugs?
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No wonder nobody wants to help the poorer communities of our nation. They get bit in the a$$ for it.
Just a follow up to my last post. I asked around about whatever happened to Maynard and turns out their were no convictions, and as a result the Dallas Police Dept is being investigated for planting evidence in a number of related cases in conjunction with higher up LE. A great man loses his license, and all for show. Thinkin' 'boot moving to Canada.  Cheers,Laroo
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#540308 - 08/11/07 11:54 AM
Re: Why is it so hard to get some prescription drugs?
[Re: Administrator]
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Back when I was 11 and my sister 9, we were both molested by our father. That was 32 years ago. I was being prepared to testify on the stand as I was the only 1 of 5 that was able to do it at that time. The other three were 12, 13, 15. I was scared to death of my dad and hated him. Somewhere inside I knew that if I did not do it, he would get managing conservatorship of one and visitation rights with the other -- in other words, we'd be subjected to him until we were adults. I set aside my subjective feelings and went for the objective. When my dad saw me walking down the courtroom hall, he knew he had better back down. So he gave up all visitation rights and agreed to paid child support. Thank God it didn't happen as I'd have been the poster girl because back then even though it went on you never heard about it. For years I had night terrors. The only thing the doctor would recommend was some OTC antihisamine commonly used for sleep. I did that for almost 20 years. Finally, when I was diagnosed with hypothroidism and my doctor asked me how I felt. I told him I felt fine. The blood work came back and he said, "There's no way you could be feeling fine." So when I told him the weird hours I worked, my childhood and the way my husband is, he told me, "It's amazing you are doing as well as you are. Most people come in here with anything resembling your story can't make decisions." He asked me how much sleep I was geting. I told him 3, which is awful for someone who is diabetic (not overweight diabetic, overtired diabetic). And thus my introduction to Ambien. And it was while I was on Ambien I remembered that these night terrors were in fact reality. People have a tendency to think that young people don't need them, except obvious illnesses like cancer or heart disease. The situation with my dad - the only person who truly spoke to me in a heart-to-heart conversation, caring and open was my poor deceased grandmother. I miss her something terrible.
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#540470 - 08/11/07 06:10 PM
Re:Why isit so hard to get some prscription drugs?
[Re: Lablady2]
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Registered: 02/20/07
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#541786 - 08/14/07 09:38 AM
Re:Why isit so hard to get some prscription drugs?
[Re: Lablady2]
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Registered: 06/03/04
Posts: 1275
Loc: Tir Na Greine
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Why does Jeb Bush's daughter get rehab for forging Xanex Rx's and some other poor guy in FL is sentenced to 25 years in jail - why does Rush Limbaugh get rehab when anyone else would have been locked up and had the key thrown away - These folks had terrific lawyers...that is why they got off w/just rehab. And, by the way, if I am not mistaken, Jeb's daughter actually did do some sort of time...not sure what kind of facility, but she kept screwing up. Alot of times, the court system has to catch up with the accused lawbreaker, with motions (as they say in the legal profession.."Blanketing them with paper"), and this would cause things to move very slowly. That may be the case with Rush, and if so, he (Rush) and his lawyers, family etc, may have decided to go ahead and enter rehab, since he probably figured it would be coming eventually, and that the court may look more favorably on his case if had been clean and sober for some time once it went to trial. I do know that Rush's legal team has been trying to block the overly zealous State's Attny from accessing his private medical records, which all of us should be supporting. I don't care who you are, or what you may suffer from, but there should very strict controls on who may access your medical records...period, end of story. By the way, I don't think that this is another case of the vast right wing conspiracy getting off scot free...alot of times it is up to the discretion of the judge, and that certainly varies a great deal from individual to individual. Just some thoughts... Peace, Katy
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#544957 - 08/18/07 04:45 PM
Re:Why isit so hard to get some prscription drugs?
[Re: katydid419]
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Registered: 10/21/04
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I have dealt with this issue since my pain started, which funny enough, was about 5 years ago. Looks like around the time prescribing opoids became an issue...or a bigger issue maybe I should say. I really wish there was something we could all do together to make someone understand how it feels to deal with pain on a daily basis and how if we didn't have this pain we wouldn't need to take a freakin' pill! Do they actually think we like to take medication every day knowing it will not remove the pain but just dull it enough for us to function? If I had one wish it would be for these DEA people to be in our shoes for just 1 day!  Just 1 and see what it feels like and what we go through. Of course that wouldn't make them understand the long term effects of being in pain every day or the other medical problems being in pain causes but at least they would see IT IS REAL, IT HURTS AND IT'S VERY FRUSTRATING!!!! I could go on and on about this topic but I won't. Reading and hearing all of this really fires me up though!  If they didn't make it so hard to get the medication from our doctors we physically see we woudn't need to turn to the internet. Thank God the people are running these business trying to help us out!
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#546667 - 08/21/07 04:36 PM
Re:Why isit so hard to get some prscription drugs?
[Re: Lablady2]
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Registered: 05/19/07
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#546687 - 08/21/07 05:02 PM
Re:Why isit so hard to get some prscription drugs?
[Re: blackhawk]
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GRAND Pooh-Bah
Registered: 01/08/07
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Loc: The Boonies
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It really amazes me when I read articles that tell health care providers how to detect " drug seeking" behaviors. The ones that I find especially objectionable are: The patient uses words like "suffering" The patient exhibits a lot of knowledge of medication and/or symptoms. Uses medical terminology. What is one supposed to say? "Oh, I'm hurtin real bad, doc". I think it's 'cause I got some problem down in my tailbone..." or "I got a busted back bone awhile back and it really smarts"... I even read somewhere that is a patient acts like they can't pronounce the name of the med (uh, it's hydro-something or other) that is another sign. So, you're damned if you do or damned if you don't Give me a break. With the internet, people are educating themselves about options for their health care. Is there some law that says a layperson can't use terms like Degenerative Disk Disease or trochanteric bursitis (these came to mind as I have both of these conditions)?
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