I don't think the average criminal/drug addict can afford a sub doc. It appears to me like more of white collar treatment--plus coourts don't senyence people to suboxone maintenance. Though maybe they are trying to avoid legal trouble, by staying clean for parol, getting a reccommend from the doc etc.

What I mean is that most of his cases are complicated in nature. I.E. someone that was caught stealing to afford their habit or someone that got pulled over with drugs or someone who has ruined the relationship with wife or family so much that they got checked in. There are of course people that go in there on their own behalf but not the rule. And if you did ever check out positive for drugs you wont be allowed back in. As far as getting off it, the lower you are on initailly has a big effect I would assume, the lower amount initially the better. There aere thousands and thousands of people on the medication that dont even think twice about getting off it. If you want to get off it you can do it the right way. And I have done both hydro and sub, and getting off the sub withdrawal wise was way way eisier than hydro.

I'm hoping for some help. I do not know how to start a new topic, and this topic is fairly close. I am fed up. I am tired of being in pain, but I am more tired being on pain killers (opiates). I TRULY believe that ultimately I will be able to deal with my pain better with something along the lines like Ultram ER, which does NOT give you a buzz, just helps control the pain. I realize it does not get rid of the pain completely, but it helps.

Anyway, I just want OFF of all the opiates. Here's the problem. I CANNOT MISS WORK for the WD's and I know I'm going to get hit. I need to minimize those. I have Kratom powder ( I have not tried it yet as I still have my hydros) but have heard both good and bad about it. I have also heard contradictory reports of Ultram helping with the WD's. I DO NOT want any other prescription meds to help me off (sub, methadone, valium, etc.)

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, any help as to what I can do to minimize the WD's. I soooo want off of this stuff. I am so tired of being dependent on a drug. I am tired of the pain winning. I WANT TO WIN, not the pain.

I don't think you should be ashamed, you're being truthfull and confronting things head on.

All my best!

Kratom will definatly help. Can you schedule to stop when you don't have to goto work for a few days ? Maybe stop on a friday, tough it out and then you have the whole weekend! This way, monday will be the 4th day if you stop on a friday and you will pretty much be done with the worts part.
Have stuff like imodium ready and some cough medicane. If you have access to benzo's that would help too.
Its hard for me to say what else because I have suboxene which pretty much kills all hydro WD.
Good luck either way, I have been down your road and its tough but can be done.

If someone took a 4 mg dose of sub, how long will it take to get out of system and to start taking their pain meds.I tried sub, a 4 mg dose for two days but it hasnt helped the pain.Do I have to wait 36 hrs before I can begin my pain meds again.I wanted to give it a try, but it hasnt helped with pain control.Thanks for any advice.

no, you can start immediately, you just will not get the full benefits of the pain killer you are prescribed. just do not take too much because you are not feeling it as normal due to the sub occupying your receptors. by day three or 4 you should be getting close to the full benefits of your painkiller again.