Now that HGH is available in the US I am planning to use it. I would like to know if anyone out there has used the Serono Saizen freeze dried HGH. It comes with a dilutent and must be reconstituted prior to injection. The recommended dosabe being .03ml 4X a week. Anyone?

Jane

I assume you are a female, from a friend I knew who took it, 1 I.U. per day seemed to work great. Also, how available in U.S.? I do know of some places that sell it, since a 90 day supply is legal, but not many and not at that great of a price.

OB

I'd like to know too if you don't mind sharing.

What is HGH (Human Growth Hormone?) And why would you need it? I know bodybuilders use these types of things, but why would a woman take it? I'm interested in knowing more...

So am I (though I'm male).

It is supposedly an "anti aging" treatment. And it will do miraculous things like maintain muscle mass, decrease wrinkles and generally keep your body (and mind) looking and feeling younger than its years.

I believe Ed McMahon (from Johhny Carson show) has been using for years. Getting treatments in countries where it has been legal. He looks pretty good for his age.

And something is keeping Keith Richards alive and he snorted his own Dad.

Real HGH treatments are expensive. And probably not covered by insurance unless you had degenerative disease.

I am, however, totally "shooting from the hip" on this one.

HGH is quickly becoming labeled a steroid. It is now illegal in most major sports for it's performance enhancing abilities, and players are facing major suspensions.

Anti-aging is the big selling point, but it's more than that. Fully grown people can start getting taller/bigger when using this. The best way I can describe it: This is the hormone your body produces to help you grow into an adult. Naturally it dwindles with time, hence you stop growing. HGH is it's synthetic equal.

I understand it was orignally only used with the elderly, or people with degenerative issues. It's not becoming popular for it's cosmetic allure. We live in the plastic surgery era, it's no wonder this is becoming more and more popular.

Jintropin from China is a lot cheaper than the Saizen from Switzerland and it's just as good. A 100-IU box of Jintropin goes for anywhere from $350 to $450. That's about $4.00 per IU, compared to the $10 per IU you'd pay for Serono's Saizen at http://www.somatropinonline.com/ . After being on it for a year at 1.6 IU/day, people have told me that i look 10 years younger.

Your best source of info on Jintropin sources and dosing information is the message board at http://lef.org .

So can the bones start growing again? Will there be room in the joints?

I can understand muscle growth but vertical growth would be extremely strange at my age?

Always fancied myself at basketball actually - just a couple of feet too small.

I really don't think you'd grow taller vertically once you reach an adult age (otherwise those Joe Weider Flex Magazine guys would be 8 feet tall) but i have heard of it's anti-aging properties and Yes it is considered in the steroid catagory as far as all pro sports are concerned. You will put on muscle mass without even trying too hard on this and lose fat also. Much would be dose dependant as well. You're not going to look like a freak unless you're doing all kinds of steroids and like 30 thousand dollars a year on the HGH (which many pro bodybuilders do.)

Insomniac

Link to some info:

http://www.vivo.colostate.edu/hbooks/pathphys/endocrine/hypopit/gh.html

There are many things to be considered before taking HGH, one of them being the side effects. If it's so great, why isn't everyone jumping on the bandwagon?

From Mayo Clinic:

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/growth-hormone/HA00030

Human growth hormone (HGH): Does it slow aging process?
If you're willing to pay thousands, some doctors promise to reverse the signs of aging with human growth hormone (HGH). Before you sign up, get the facts.
Your body naturally makes growth hormone to help fuel growth during your childhood and to help maintain your tissues and organs throughout your life. Beginning in your 40s, your pituitary gland — the pea-sized structure at the base of your brain where growth hormone is made — slowly reduces the amount of the hormone it produces.

Some people believe the dwindling level of growth hormone is responsible for the frailty that typically comes with getting older. And that's prompted some who are concerned about growing old and losing independence to turn to injections of synthetic human growth hormone (HGH) to stave off the realities of old age. But there's little evidence to suggest human growth hormone is the Fountain of Youth.

Who needs to take human growth hormone?
Synthetic human growth hormone is available only by prescription and is administered through an intramuscular injection. It's currently approved to treat adults with true growth hormone deficiency — not the expected decline in growth hormone due to aging. Growth hormone deficiency can be caused by pituitary tumors and radiation or surgery to the pituitary gland, among other causes.

Human growth hormone is also approved for:

Children with short stature
Children with kidney failure
Children with Prader-Willi syndrome
Children with Turner's syndrome
Muscle wasting associated with AIDS and HIV
Studies of adults with growth hormone deficiencies show that injections of human growth hormone can:

Increase bone density
Increase muscle mass
Decrease body fat
Bolster the heart's ability to contract
Improve mood and motivation
Increase exercise capacity
Because of those results, some people believe that synthetic human growth hormone can help healthy older adults who have naturally low levels of growth hormone regain some of their youth and vitality.

What can human growth hormone do for healthy older adults who don't need it?
Studies of healthy older adults taking human growth hormone are limited. Many involve a small number of people followed for a short period of time. The studies that have been conducted have found that human growth hormone injections can increase muscle mass and reduce the amount of body fat in healthy older adults.

That increase in muscle doesn't translate into increased strength. Though the study participants gained muscle, they weren't any stronger. One study compared older men who took human growth hormone with older men who went through strength training programs. The bottom line: Strength training can increase both your muscle mass and your strength, making it cheaper and more effective than taking human growth hormone.

It isn't clear whether human growth hormone can provide other benefits, such as increased bone density and improved mood, to healthy adults. Most of the research into human growth hormone has focused on people with true growth hormone deficiencies.

Are there any risks to taking human growth hormone if you don't need it?
Taking human growth hormone can cause a number of side effects, including:

Swelling in your arms and legs
Arthritis-like symptoms
Carpal tunnel symptoms
Headaches
Bloating
Muscle pain
Diabetes
Abnormal growth of bones and internal organs
Hardening of the arteries
High blood pressure
Some evidence shows that side effects of human growth hormone treatments may be more likely in older adults than in younger adults. Also, because the studies of healthy adults taking human growth hormone have been short term, it isn't clear whether these side effects could eventually dissipate or become worse. For instance, though human growth hormone produced arthritis-like symptoms, it isn't clear if this would progress into arthritis. More study is needed.

Does human growth hormone come in pill form?
Some Web sites claim to sell a pill form of human growth hormone that produces results similar to the injected form of the drug. Sometimes these are called human growth hormone releasers. There's no proof that these claims are true. In fact, if you were to swallow human growth hormone, it would likely be digested by your stomach acids and not absorbed into your body.

Web sites also sell homeopathic remedies claiming to contain human growth hormone. There's no proof that these work, either.

Talk it over with your doctor
Your doctor can explain more about how human growth hormone works in your body and whether it's something your body needs more of. If you have specific concerns about aging, such as gaining weight, your doctor can suggest ways to improve your health safely. Taking simple steps, such as eating a diet full of fruits and vegetables and exercising daily, can help keep your body in shape and help you feel better about yourself as you get older.

1 mg of HGH = 2.7 I.U. Athletes can take anywhere from 8 to 20 I.U per day. If they take the 191-chain HGH it's indistinguishable from natural human HGH, so it's really the only performamce-enhancing drug that is undetectable.

HGH is not cheap. If you scrimp and don't take enough, it won't have any noticeable effects and will be a waste of time and money.

At 1.6 I.U. (or 0.6 mg) per day, the only thing i noticed for the first three months was an improvement in my digestion.

There were some subtle improvements in skin and hair that began to be noticeable on close inspection of my face and head in the bathroom mirror after three months of daily use.

These changes in skin and hair became noticeable to others after approximately six months of daily use with no breaks. That consumed 180 I.U. or about 110 mg.

In order to see the full effects, plan on having twice that amount.

After about nine months i noticed that some fat had changed into muscle and i was getting more muscular without doing much exercise.

It also seemed to make me sleep better, but i don't think it had any benefit with my depression. The reason i started taking it was hope that it would help with my TRD. It seems to have no effect on my mood.

If you can afford a few thousand dollars for some subtle changes in your appearance and your body's function, go for it. But i don't think it's worth taking unless you can afford to buy at least three 100-I.U. boxes of Jintropin, which is about 1/3 the price of Saizen Somatropin.

See http://www.somatropin.net/hgh-brands.htm .

HGH is not an anabolic steroid, though some states mistakenly list it as such in order to make it a controlled substance. Since it does not meet any of the criteria for being a federal controlled substance, it would take an Act of Congress to schedule it, because any attempt by the DEA to schedule it as an anabolic steroid would exceed their legal authority and could be struck down by the courts. Congress, though, is free to do whatever stupid things they want to do when it comes to mandating a scheduling action.

http://www.jintropin-gh.com/Jintropin/Buy-Jintropin.asp

Here is a site where hgh is MUCH less expensive. You will, however have to buy your bacteriostatic dilutent elsewhere because once reconstituted it only lasts for 4 days. 10IU vials, 100IUs for about $5.00 an IU. I use a very low dose for anti-aging so I need it to last a while once it is reconstituted. This is only one source. There are many for Jintropin. 1IU is the max for me per day. I'm not a body builder, however I do lift weights and I'm 46 and don't want to suffer the "natural" aging process. I want to live hale and hearty for as long as possible.

Jane

Jane, I can't PM you. You have exceeded your quota, so perhaps do some emptying?

Oh, I didn't know. Sorry. I'll do it now.

Jane

Whew, that was tough!! I did it. You should be able to fit a PM in there now. Thanks Neph.

Jane

I been using saizen HGH for about 2-3 weeks @ .03cc - .04CC each night. The first thing I niticed was my dreams were so pleasant. My attitude and energy level has improved. They say i trials, it will take months to get full effect. I will continue use for now. Maybe it's my imagination but my face loks more alive in the mirror, a youthfull glow but same wrinkles but maybe skin tone is better. Aloha. let me know your experience please as I am new to this also. Regards; Mike

elheffe,
Wheres the cheapest blue tops?Do those come in the loaded pins or in amps.Thanks.

I don't want to be negative but I would expect that the feedback mechanisms in your body would lower (or even stop !) your natural HGH production till your genetically preset HGH levels are reestablished. I would suspect that that would only be a matter of time. And if you then stop taking the artificial stuff ... Probably not pleasant.

Of course, if your natural HGH production is low because your body (organ damage) has been damaged and because of that is unable to produce 'normal' levels of HGH it may be a different story. A decline in natural HGH production because of normal aging will probably not count as organ damage ...

You should not take hgh at night before bed because it is at night that normal spikes in hgh occur. First thing in the am is best.

After the age of 40 hgh production decreases rapidly and the onset of age related disease begins. Personally I consider aging and becoming frail with atherosclerosis, etc. to be a disease process. Because a treatment is available to offset such decline in health there is no reason not to take advantage of it. Youth is wasted on the young. Just look around at what our society has created of our progeny.

I want my bone density to remain intact, my heart muscle to fully function, my lean body mass to remain, my mind to stay clear, my attitude to be happy and full of wonder just like when I was a young person. HgH is no magic bullet but it's as close to one as we can get so far.I also use natural testosterone and USP progesterone and plan to add T to my anti-aging regimen. You should read up on it at LEF. You'd learn much and maybe become a convert!!

"I believe in growing old gracefully, aging surgically, and better life through chemistry!!" Live on!!

Jane

Weird: someone placed -somehow- a post here that I didn't place, or I something weird happened. I certainly don't remember placing it, and normally I would have posted something different ! Sorry for the confusion.

Of course,I agree. But I want to rise above my genes!! Why be subjected to genetic inheritance? Phewy on that I say. Fight, fight the fading of the light...................LOL

Jane

This is very interesting. I have been researcing this today and have a question I couldn't find the answer. Is this only injectable? Needles scare the [censored] out of me?

Thanks

Yes, it is only injectable. Sub-q. It doesn't hurt if you use BD mini syringes. If someone tells you that you can get the same results from orally used secretogoges (sp?,I don't feel like looking it up) than they are wrong. Yes, massive dose of Aminos, and I mean massive, will cause your pituitary to creatr more hgh but a simple injection from a legitimate laboratory and brand will work much better, faster, and easier.

JMHO,

Jane

Trampy,

Aren't you aware if Jintropin hgh. It is 191hgh. The real deal and can be had for around 2.00 per IU.

Just thought you should know. Saizen is way overpriced but still and excellent source. I just find that I cannot afford it.

Jane

What the heck is T? I use Saizen HGH cause I'm tryin it out, (1 month now, w. 1 month supply left.). I got some L-Deprenyl on the way and lookin for good testosteron proiante source. Here's my question Jane: Did you try Saizen? and if u did is the stuff from china, (that can't be bough w a credit card), as potent?
Thanks for any advice. 57 yr old man here. Aloha.