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#458558 - 02/19/07 06:24 PM Re: YPM update.Hopefully encouraging news!
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Although state laws governing the scope of a PA’s medical practice vary, almost every state allows a PA to prescribe medication, including SchII. I believe controlled substances require a patient order from a supervising physician.
The PA has more autonomy than a nurse practitioner, but I consider both highly trained medical professionals.

http://www.aapa.org/gandp/rxchart.html
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#458559 - 02/19/07 06:26 PM Re: YPM update.Hopefully encouraging news!
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Thank you and thank you for posting your info again about these bills as the will KILL telemedicine and I can't believe that everyone here is not writing to their reps.

Ryan Haight - I remember all about that and I probably wasn't totally clear in my letter about the diff. between ROP's/NROP's/IOP's, etc. I did try to outline that there were differences between theses things and that Ryan did not use the ones we are concerned about and did try to show my reps that these ROP's are to be distinguished from what Ryan was doing and what the administration and lawmakers are doing by lumping all of them together as the same. I don't believe that the lawmakers have the slightest clue that there are differences and that just because something is done over the internet, it is not, therefore, evil.

Since you've posted this in the YPM thread, it will get a lot of visits. However, I was thinking that you might take your very valuable post/information and start a new thread? Just a thought to reach more people here.


Edited by LauraA (02/19/07 06:29 PM)

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#458560 - 02/19/07 06:29 PM Re: YPM update.Hopefully encouraging news!
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Does anybody know if NWW ever "came back" like they said they would?

Does anybody know of any of these ROPs that were shut down like this to "come back"?

I'm just curious. Seems like years ago Madison had some issues with the DEA but because they required the port-a-medic maybe they were not shut down-I can't say for sure.

Is YPM comes back I think it will be the first to so do-

can anybody remember another?

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#458561 - 02/19/07 06:39 PM Re: YPM update.Hopefully encouraging news!
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Since you've posted this in the YPM thread, it will get a lot of visits. However, I was thinking that you might take your very valuable post/information and start a new thread? Just a thought to reach more people here.




I have a whole bunch of sound bites in a document. Indeed I plan to post them around more read forums here over the next few days. I hope this violation of board TOS can be overlooked given the seriousness of the situation.

You haven't noticed? I'm always repeating myself, Laura
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#458562 - 02/19/07 06:48 PM Re: YPM update.Hopefully encouraging news!
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Does anybody know if NWW ever "came back" like they said they would?

Does anybody know of any of these ROPs that were shut down like this to "come back"?

I'm just curious. Seems like years ago Madison had some issues with the DEA but because they required the port-a-medic maybe they were not shut down-I can't say for sure.

Is YPM comes back I think it will be the first to so do-

can anybody remember another?




To my knowledge, NWW never came back. But who knows who's connected anymore in this day and age? The more I read, the more confused I get. There are definitely things we lowly patients just don't know.

I forget if YOD was taken down or if it was their pharms or doctors. At least that is one instance where a ROP came back, but now they are down again. It all starts to become a big blur.

Hunter Thompson said "It's still not weird enough for me." But I'm thinking that it IS weird enough for me now. The money and greed, the PR and sales pitches, the absolute lack of any concrete, honest information, coupled with a governmental agency that is completely and totally out of control without any oversight and who has seemingly unlimited power and funds. It doesn't look good for us.

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#458563 - 02/19/07 06:54 PM Re: YPM update.Hopefully encouraging news!
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I have noticed and most of your posts are worth repeating LOL! Your post makes it so easy for people - just click your links, select their state and zip and voila! there is an email form to write their letter!

OT - I haven't seen an OCS come back from this type of thing before and if YPM comes back, I think it will be under a different name and a different way of doing business...same with some of the others that have become very silent lately...

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#458564 - 02/19/07 06:58 PM Re: YPM update.Hopefully encouraging news!
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There were supposed to be some good news last week...
Did anyone receive any good news?
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#458565 - 02/19/07 07:11 PM Re: YPM update.Hopefully encouraging news!
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There were supposed to be some good news last week...
Did anyone receive any good news?




No.

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#458566 - 02/19/07 07:38 PM Re: YPM update.Hopefully encouraging news!
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I have noticed and most of your posts are worth repeating LOL! Your post makes it so easy for people - just click your links, select their state and zip and voila! there is an email form to write their letter!

OT - I haven't seen an OCS come back from this type of thing before and if YPM comes back, I think it will be under a different name and a different way of doing business...same with some of the others that have become very silent lately...




I agree on both points........and like Laura said, I have never seen an OP come back from this with the exception of YOD with the Woody's problem, but at that time, Woody's wasn't shut down and they transferred our scripts out and YOD also had another pharm .
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#458567 - 02/19/07 07:38 PM Re: YPM update.Hopefully encouraging news!
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There were supposed to be some good news last week...
Did anyone receive any good news?




Unfortunately no, but I didn't honestly think we would......and I am honestly PO's me at the way they left people in this mess.
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#458568 - 02/19/07 07:48 PM Re: YPM update.Hopefully encouraging news!
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#458569 - 02/19/07 08:16 PM Re: YPM update.Hopefully encouraging news!
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Does anybody know if NWW ever "came back" like they said they would?

Does anybody know of any of these ROPs that were shut down like this to "come back"?

I'm just curious. Seems like years ago Madison had some issues with the DEA but because they required the port-a-medic maybe they were not shut down-I can't say for sure.

Is YPM comes back I think it will be the first to so do-

can anybody remember another?




Doctor-Scripts had all their pharmacies shut down by the DEA in October I think. It took about a month but they are back up and running. Not the most reliable...but they are there. I think a lot of the places that have been shut down just pop up somewhere else under another name.

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#458570 - 02/19/07 09:11 PM Re: YPM update.Hopefully encouraging news!
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The PA has more autonomy than a nurse practitioner




Not true, at least not where I live. In the state of Michigan a Nurse Practitioner actually has MORE autonomy than a PA and can prescribe independently of a physician within the boundaries of the prescribing guidelines (they are allowed to prescribe the same as a PA, but a PA does so under a licensed physican, whereas an NP does so under his or her own license.)

Many cites to back this but here's one.
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#458571 - 02/19/07 10:49 PM Re: YPM update.Hopefully encouraging news!
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There is no doubt that Nurse Practitioners are highly trained medical professionals. I actually prefer to see a NP in certain situations because I find them to be much more receptive and generous with their time than most doctors.
A NP can work independently in certain states with certain restrictions and in specific environments. Both NPs and PAs need a DEA registration when prescribing controlled medications. Based on what I read, Michigan has relatively the same prescribing guidelines for PAs and NPs. Michigan also has supervisory guidelines for NPs similar to PAs. I don’t live in Michigan, and I am not a nurse, so I can only base my conclusions on what I read.

I think it is safe to say that a NP works collaboratively with a doctor and a PA works for the doctor, so I do agree that the NP has more autonomy in specific settings.

Quote:

Michigan NP

• General authority to prescribe is evidenced by inclusion on the prescription of the prescriber's title
• Authority to prescribe controlled substances includes Schedule III-V as outlined in the prescriber's collaborative prescriptive agreement
• Authority to prescribe controlled substances includes Schedule II only if practice is carried out within a hospital, surgicenter, or hospice
• Schedule II prescriptions are limited to 7-day postdischarge supply
• Prescriptions for scheduled drugs must show the name and DEA number of both the prescriber and the collaborating physician.
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/440315

As we know, NPs (and all nurses) do not have legal authority to prescribe/order medications. However, they may prescribe as a delegated function from a physician. If an NP writes an order for medication, the name of the delegating physician must be included on the order. An RN (non-NP) may accept an order written in this fashion.
http://www.minurses.org/apn/apn-npfaq.shtml#accessing />



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MICHIGAN PA

Qualifications: Graduation from accredited PA program and NCCPA examination.
Application: By PA for license.
Scope of practice: Medical care services delegated by the supervising physician, within the physician's usual scope of practice, and approved by the board.
Prescribing/dispensing: PA may prescribe non-controlled and Schedules III-V medications as delegated by supervising physician. PA may prescribe seven-day supply of Schedule II drugs as discharge medications. Supervising physician's and PA's names must be indicated on prescription. PA prescribers of controlled medications must register with the DEA.
Supervision: Physician must be continuously available for direct communication in person or by radio, telephone, or telecommunication and must regularly review PA performance and patient records, consult, and educate.
Participation in regulation: Five PAs serve on nine-member PA regulatory task force. Task force sends one PA to serve as member of medical board and one PA to serve on osteopathic board.
Michigan Task Force on Physician Assistants, Bureau of Health Professions, P.O. Box 30670, Lansing, MI 48909-7518; (517)335-0918.
www.michigan.gov/mdch

http://www.aapa.org/gandp/statelaw.html


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#458572 - 02/20/07 04:48 AM Re: YPM update.Hopefully encouraging news!
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Is this a YPM Thread ? ? ?

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#458573 - 02/20/07 05:26 PM Re: YPM update.Hopefully encouraging news!
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I have been using YPM for a couple years. This is very sad news. Can someone please recommend an alternative?
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#458574 - 02/20/07 05:31 PM Re: YPM update.Hopefully encouraging news!
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try to find a locAL doc, i think this stuff is dead forever, they are dropping like flies
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#458575 - 02/20/07 05:37 PM Re: YPM update.Hopefully encouraging news!
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Tell me no!!!!
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#458576 - 02/20/07 05:42 PM Re: YPM update.Hopefully encouraging news!
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well, i have used ypm for about 2 yrs or for as long as they have been around, and I am going to my first suboxone appt tom to start taking it and getting off meds.
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#458577 - 02/20/07 06:02 PM Re: YPM update.Hopefully encouraging news!
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>well, i have used ypm for about 2 yrs or for as long as >they have been around, and I am going to my first suboxone >appt tom to start taking it and getting off meds.

Congratulations on your decision to kick your addiction (YPM has been around for 4 or more years so I guess you've been using more than you recall). For the rest of us who actually have chronic pain, suboxone is not an option. Luckily the DEA has not closed all the ROPs down. Visit the US list of pharmacies and you'll find some great options.

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#458578 - 02/20/07 06:10 PM Re: YPM update.Hopefully encouraging news!
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I started using them in early 2004 so they have been around awhile.

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#458579 - 02/20/07 06:15 PM Re: YPM update.Hopefully encouraging news!
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well, i have used ypm for about 2 yrs or for as long as they have been around, and I am going to my first suboxone appt tom to start taking it and getting off meds.




Congratulations, Mike. I am so happy that you are taking a step forward to help yourself. Maybe you will jump down from the podium now that you've figured out the problem is yours, not other people's, and not the doctors or OCS's that try to help people who need it. I wish you much luck and success.

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#458580 - 02/20/07 06:16 PM Re: YPM update.Hopefully encouraging news!
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Learn about the biggest threat which will drag on and on even if it passes. Identical House and Senate Bills which have widespread support because though they have no opposition.

Go to thomas.loc.gov

Look on the middle of the page for "Serch Bill Text"

Check the Radio Button for "Bill Number"

Search for either of these bills:

SB 242

HR 380

Acquaint yourself with what they are planning. You're hurting, you can argue many of those points that are important to use better than a lawyer.

SB 242 - The Senate Bill

HR 380 - House of Reprentative Bill

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You seem so knowledgable so I have two questions with regards to SB 242 and HR 380.

1) Is this likely to make it out of committee and actually get a vote?

2) Would these bills supercede state laws? Or does the bill allow states to create their own telemedicine regulations?

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#458581 - 02/20/07 07:01 PM Re: YPM update.Hopefully encouraging news!
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i actually do have cronic pain and my 18 pages of records sitting at ypm from this last december state that, but hydro with apap isnt the correct medication for long term therapy anyway. it isnt indicated for long term use so why would i keep using these rops anyway when i am not getting the correct treatment and harming my body. that is my real worry, addiction isnt. i have a strong mind and can keep myself in check. I am not passing judgement just merely stating my position, the sub is because i cant afford to deal with withdrawl and be sick, it just isnt in the plan for me.
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#458582 - 02/20/07 07:37 PM Re: YPM update.Hopefully encouraging news!
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2) Would these bills supercede state laws? Or does the bill allow states to create their own telemedicine regulations?




As with any federal regulation, states can impose their own additional criteria, restrictions, or requirements, provided they do not violate individuals' constitutionally established or protected rights.

It's key to remember that any issue pertaining to controlled substances is subject to further governance by DEA policy and the laws that provide for them, which are subject to their own interpretation and application thereof.

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#458583 - 02/20/07 11:52 PM Re: YPM update.Hopefully encouraging news!
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You seem so knowledgable so I have two questions with regards to SB 242 and HR 380.




Thank you Myroom for taking that up and thank you Mike for the compliment, but you're sure wrong Mike

I don't know anything about politics except I read portions of that bill elsewhere and it looked bad. I have some neurological disorders on top of other maladies and when they ask me the president questions, I really look like I'm out of it

Couldn't name the VP

Couldn't name the last 4 presidents, etc.

I was a bit more activist during a similar crisis in 2004 and took the gov't links from a site I set up.

I haven't been posting since I'm luckier than most. My OCS is still around, but I don't know about what will become refill time...

So I'm working my tail off while I still have some meds before one of my illnesses gets me. At least I'll have money owed me.

Like I said I'm a very lucky man in spite of everything.

Please publicize those links and how to reach your elected officials anywhere you can. I'll get to it as I can, but I simply took a few minutes out at the end of a v-e-r-y long day to see what the situation is in general.

I feel sorry for what must be hundreds of thousands of people suffering right now.

Thanks again all!
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#458584 - 02/21/07 12:03 AM Re: YPM update.Hopefully encouraging news!
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Is this a YPM Thread ? ? ?




Um… yep, it is indeed, sorry for the diversion.

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#458585 - 02/21/07 12:54 AM Re: YPM update.Hopefully encouraging news!
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Thank you and thank you for posting your info again about these bills as the will KILL telemedicine and I can't believe that everyone here is not writing to their reps.

Ryan Haight - I remember all about that and I probably wasn't totally clear in my letter about the diff. between ROP's/NROP's/IOP's, etc. I did try to outline that there were differences between theses things and that Ryan did not use the ones we are concerned about and did try to show my reps that these ROP's are to be distinguished from what Ryan was doing and what the administration and lawmakers are doing by lumping all of them together as the same. I don't believe that the lawmakers have the slightest clue that there are differences and that just because something is done over the internet, it is not, therefore, evil.

Since you've posted this in the YPM thread, it will get a lot of visits. However, I was thinking that you might take your very valuable post/information and start a new thread? Just a thought to reach more people here.





This was an eamil that I recieved a day ago from another site that got shut down due to Avee and the DEA, I can't list the site's name because the already got on my A$$ once for quoting one of their emails but the whole thing is rediculous. What makes me the maddest is that 1st their doctor saw it coming and quit so I had to pay $80.00 for my two remaining re-fills (refills by the way that I never got) but if this is any indication as to where the telemedician ROP's are going, coount me out. Most people use these sites because they can't afford to visit a doctor every month for one reason or another but anyway here it is...with the sites name removed of course so they don't bit my a$$:

"We are currently restructuring our business model towards in-person visits. At this time we have doctors licensed in Florida, Georgia, and California. We will update patients along the way with mass email. Our estimated time for the new plan to be rolled out will be between 2 to 4 weeks. XXXXXXX is willing to adapt to the changes that the regulatory agencies have set in place. Thank you for your patience and we look forward to working with you soon."

What I don't understand is why other sites are still up and okay, unless they are lying to me or if the whole thing is falling apart and they are trying start things ahead of other business. But I live in the Midwest and I'll be damned if I'm flying to one of these sites just to get medication. I might as well go back and see my doctor every month.

What doesn't make nay sense is I've talked to other sites and they are still okay, legal and shipping...someone please explain what is going on.....

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#458586 - 02/21/07 06:35 AM Re: YPM update.Hopefully encouraging news!
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2) Would these bills supercede state laws? Or does the bill allow states to create their own telemedicine regulations?




As with any federal regulation, states can impose their own additional criteria, restrictions, or requirements, provided they do not violate individuals' constitutionally established or protected rights.

It's key to remember that any issue pertaining to controlled substances is subject to further governance by DEA policy and the laws that provide for them, which are subject to their own interpretation and application thereof.




Thanks. Let me state this another way as I am a layman. My state is proposing telemedecine regulations that make it clear that a face to face visit is not a requirement for a valid dr-patient relationship in telemedicine. But the federal bills make it clear that one face to face meeting is necessary for a valid dr patient relationship in telemedecine. If both the state regulations and federal laws are adopted, which rule is the valid rule?

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#458587 - 02/21/07 06:57 AM Re: YPM update.Hopefully encouraging news!
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Well - you could look at the conflict between the medical cannabis state and federal laws in California ......

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